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IKEA Announces Affordable Smart Lighting Product Range

yanksfan114 said:
From what I've read on this site, the increase in price and low availability is because of Apple's insane requirements for security. If it's true I wouldn't be opposed to paying that premium.
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If and we are talking a big if.....


And we are talking about a light bulb....not a medical device, so I fail to see this HUGE security requirements.....

Now a home lock I might understand, a light really stop drinking the koolaid.
 
Tork said:
... I'd be very interested in the 4K setting if it's bright enough (800ish lumens). It sucks that even non-smart LED bulbs are generally only available in too-yellow 2700K and too-cool 5000K.

I know some 5000K smart bulbs exist, but they're just too cool for me. And the Hue bulbs with a sliding scale temperature are too dim (500-600ish lumens, depending on the temp setting) and are twice the price.
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FWIW, the Hue "White Ambience" bulbs (the ones where you can adjust the color temperature of "white" produced), peak at 800 lumens @ 4000K, for considerably less than their full color bulbs. Speaking of which, the gen2/gen3 Hue "White and Color Ambiance" bulbs also peak at 800 lumens @ 4000K.
 
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ppcebay said:
If and we are talking a big if.....


And we are talking about a light bulb....not a medical device, so I fail to see this HUGE security requirements.....

Now a home lock I might understand, a light really stop drinking the koolaid.
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Lmao I'm not blindly making these statements to defend Apple at all. The stuff is still insanely expensive. But things like locks, utitliy related items, and other security items are more connected than ever before which brings an added risk.
 
steve knight said:
most still need a app even when they work with home kit.
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True, but most things that work with HomeKit only use the app for setup or miscellaneous tweaking, and you can do most day-to-day interactions from Apple's Home app or via Siri. I hardly ever venture into the Hue app or the iDevices app.
 
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yanksfan114 said:
Lmao I'm not blindly making these statements to defend Apple at all. The stuff is still insanely expensive. But things like locks, utitliy related items, and other security items are more connected than ever before which brings an added risk.
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Yeah but here we are talking about light bulbs.....
CarlJ said:
True, but most things that work with HomeKit only use the app for setup or miscellaneous tweaking, and you can do most day-to-day interactions from Apple's Home app or via Siri. I hardly ever venture into the Hue app or the iDevices app.
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I am doing the same on Android without homekit, either pull the notification shade and change bulb color / switch from there, or ... OK Google turn on X Y or Z ....

Really, Apple want you to belive it is impossible without homekit, but it is not!
 
ppcebay said:
Yeah but here we are talking about light bulbs....
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TBH Apple is probably correct to worry about security at this early stage. It may seem ridiculous to you, but if you project the increasing complexity in high end LED bulbs forwards a few years, it is inevitable that they will start containing more powerful embedded CPUs. Even today, embedded CPUs only cost a few cents, and come as part of mesh networking / wifi radio systems.

Today, I can remotely telnet into a lot of cheap home routers and access their command line interface - in the past this remotely accessible command line interface was only offered by thousand dollar workstations.

Conceivably, a malicious person could remotely access a poorly secured wifi-enabled lightbulb and use that as a gateway to access the rest of the system. And when that system is also connected to your door locks / to Google Alexa / your home security camera / baby monitors / your PC then your problems are just starting.

Better to bake in security at an early stage rather than try to bolt it on later. Apple is right to require good security on home gear - and it also helps with getting recommendations from rich early adaptors.
 
RedTomato said:
TBH Apple is probably correct to worry about security at this early stage. It may seem ridiculous to you, but if you project the increasing complexity in high end LED bulbs forwards a few years, it is inevitable that they will start containing more powerful embedded CPUs. Even today, embedded CPUs only cost a few cents, and come as part of mesh networking / wifi radio systems.

Today, I can remotely telnet into a lot of cheap home routers and access their command line interface - in the past this remotely accessible command line interface was only offered by thousand dollar workstations.

Conceivably, a malicious person could remotely access a poorly secured wifi-enabled lightbulb and use that as a gateway to access the rest of the system. And when that system is also connected to your door locks / to Google Alexa / your home security camera / baby monitors / your PC then your problems are just starting.

Better to bake in security at an early stage rather than try to bolt it on later. Apple is right to require good security on home gear - and it also helps with getting recommendations from rich early adaptors.
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I am sure Philips can manage their security even without Apple, and it is not like Apple never had breaches anyway......


Conceivably, a malicious person could remotely access even Apple Homekit stuff, as easy / hard as any other manufacturer.

Now if Yahoo was making bulbs I woiuld probably not buy them ;)
 
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