Illegal Activities

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  1. willmtaylor macrumors G4

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    To my knowledge, it’s against forum rules to post/suggest illegal activities.

    However, I flagged the following post—which is obviously suggesting fraud—earlier, yet a mod determined that it wasn’t in violation of forum rules.

    Can a mod kindly explain?

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  3. willmtaylor thread starter macrumors G4

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    It could be, but there's nothing to suggest as much.
     
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    Maybe given the post is 4 months old (April 5) it wasn't deemed to be an issue any longer (?)
    Or maybe it brought about much further (negative) discussion around that idea that cleaning it would be more problematic
    Could be negative comments following it were deemed enough to squash it
     
  7. annk Administrator

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    First of all: post reporters are welcome to use the Contact Us form when no moderation is done on a post they report, and they would like an explanation. @willmtaylor if you want an answer other than what I write below here, please do so via the Contact Us form.

    In our rules, users are asked not to post anything that's "....obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws." Strictly speaking, it's not (as far as I know) illegal to post a suggestion to get Apple Care then smash the item to get a refund. Such a hyperbolic comment may well be tongue in cheek. But regardless, my interpretation is that it's not a rules violation on this site.

    There's nothing in the rule that prohibits suggesting illegal activity, but that doesn't mean anything goes; we would certainly take a look on a case-by-case basis. For example: if a user here suggested something that appeared to incite others to do something that would harm people or property, or be considered harrassment, we would alert the site owner so he and his lawyers could take appropriate action.

    This was a very clear example; real-life cases will generally be less clear, which is why we would have to look at them in context, and ask the site owner for guidance if we weren't sure. The case-by-case nature of this type of comment may well explain your confusion.

    I'll say it once more, since it bears repeating: users who report posts where we decide no moderation needs to be done, are welcome to submit contact messages asking us why.
     
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    willmtaylor thread starter macrumors G4

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    Thank you for the Contact Us reminders; however, I chose to start a thread here, as I was seeking broader information regarding forum rules, and this simply served as an e.g. (not to circumvent said protocols.)

    Could you though, further explain the seemingly contradictory statements that users not post anything that's "....obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.” [emphasis mine], yet you state, “There's nothing in the rule that prohibits suggesting illegal activity...” How can both statements stand if one negates the other?

    This specific case seems to obviously be suggesting fraud, so I’m seeking further general rules clarification as to why MRF would condone such behavior by allowing the suggestion to stand.

    All the best and thanks for your time.

    *****​

    EDIT: After taking time to reread, are you saying that the rules prohibit illegal actions but not suggesting illegal actions (or encouraging others to do so)?
     
  9. ruslan120 macrumors 6502

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    Just get AppleCare and post it everywhere.

    (tongue in cheek)
     
  10. annk Administrator

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    I'm saying that I doubt very much that, given the context, posting a comment of the type you refer to would constitute an illegal activity. This does not mean that I personally or that MacRumors condones fraud - that's way too broad a generalisation. I personally don't think that this comment is problematic on the basis of our rules, which is what you asked about.

    Keep in mind that I'm not a lawyer or law enforcement officer, so I can't give a legal opinion, simply my own impression on the basis of context.

    I'm also saying that anything we on the volunteer staff felt was legally borderline, or that we felt unsure about, would be referred to the site owner.

    If you want this specific issue referred to the site owner, please send a contact us message so our documentation routines are followed. We'll be happy to accommodate. I'm happy to discuss rules in general here, but we're talking about a specific comment, so any further discussion of this specific example needs to be via the Contact Us form.
     
  11. I7guy macrumors Core

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    Looks like somebody forgot the /s. This is not the first time I've seen a "suggestion" like this on the site. And while, I don't think a rational person would do this, sometimes it seems people get so frustrated with things, hyperbolic suggestions are posted. Just have to recognize them as such.
     
  12. willmtaylor thread starter macrumors G4

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    I’ve seen sarcastic, but I’ve also seen the genuine advice given of intentionally damaging a phone just to get an AC swap—that’s fraud, and the comments were moderated—hence my confusion here.

    Oh well.
     
  13. annk Administrator

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    I think the question was legitimate - it's not always easy to know. None of us can read minds, and we want to be mindful of the consequences of our and others' words - regardless of how they were intended.

    That's why we refer this type of stuff to Arn when we're in doubt, or when a user asks us to do so. :)
     
  14. masnick macrumors newbie

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    I was at an apple store recently for service and overheard a nearby customer exchange with a genius. The genius said they couldn't replace the phone under applecare plus damage insurance because there was no physical damage, and that the customer would have to accept the software troubleshooting and fix performed. The customer left and returned a few minutes later with a smashed phone - and stupidly said he took it out and smashed it to get it replaced. Genius and manager refused citing intentional damage was not covered.
     
  15. I7guy macrumors Core

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    OMG. I guess sometimes people DO hyperbolic things.
     

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