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Why? Was there some massive mutation and general enlargement of hand sizes in the last 5 years?

a 12-inch TV was considered fine for family viewing in the 1950s, because that's all that could be economically produced.

Do you think if Apple made a 3.5 inch iPhone and a 4-inch, the 3.5 would outsell the 4? I don't.
 
I definitely think that Apple will be doubling the iPhone 4s resolution, therefore when they are ready to up the screen size, it will be a larger screen with a 1920x1280 resolution. Upon releasing the new iPad, Apple themselves said to look for more of the same innovation this year. I think we will be seeing a totally redesigned iPhone hardware, with a larger screen and this ultra high resolution. Apple was a game changer with the original iPhone, and I believe they will be the same with the new iPhone.... also believe it will be called, simply "iPhone".

Of course I don't have any info backing up my thoughts, they are simply that, my thoughts.
 
a 12-inch TV was considered fine for family viewing in the 1950s, because that's all that could be economically produced.

Do you think if Apple made a 3.5 inch iPhone and a 4-inch, the 3.5 would outsell the 4? I don't.
If it feels anything like a 4" Galaxy Androids I've used of co-workers, I and many would stick 3.5. Outsell/most people? In America, land of the Super Size Me? no probably not a chance. The raw spec number sadly means more than usability.

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I definitely think that Apple will be doubling the iPhone 4s resolution, therefore when they are ready to up the screen size, it will be a larger screen with a 1920x1280 resolution. Upon releasing the new iPad, Apple themselves said to look for more of the same innovation this year. I think we will be seeing a totally redesigned iPhone hardware, with a larger screen and this ultra high resolution. Apple was a game changer with the original iPhone, and I believe they will be the same with the new iPhone.... also believe it will be called, simply "iPhone".

Of course I don't have any info backing up my thoughts, they are simply that, my thoughts.

Waaaaay too expensive. You're setting yourself up for disappointment.
 
I definitely think that Apple will be doubling the iPhone 4s resolution, therefore when they are ready to up the screen size, it will be a larger screen with a 1920x1280 resolution. Upon releasing the new iPad, Apple themselves said to look for more of the same innovation this year. I think we will be seeing a totally redesigned iPhone hardware, with a larger screen and this ultra high resolution. Apple was a game changer with the original iPhone, and I believe they will be the same with the new iPhone.... also believe it will be called, simply "iPhone".

Of course I don't have any info backing up my thoughts, they are simply that, my thoughts.

I think the "more of the same" could more easily be aimed at Retina Macs. The iPhone is already Retina, so no point in upping the resolution unless to match a screen size increase. But if Apple do increase the size, I doubt it will be far enough to justify 1920x1280.

My guess is that if we do see a different resolution, Apple are free to choose an entirely new resolution or aspect ratio, just as long as existing apps can sit in a 960x640 3.5" window in the middle.

That makes a 1138x640 16:9 4" screen possible. Maybe if they do this, they will bundle in the George Lucas film THX 1138 to encourage uptake of iTunes HD movies.
 
a 12-inch TV was considered fine for family viewing in the 1950s, because that's all that could be economically produced.

Do you think if Apple made a 3.5 inch iPhone and a 4-inch, the 3.5 would outsell the 4? I don't.

Given the same resolution? You bet it would.
 
Why? Was there some massive mutation and general enlargement of hand sizes in the last 5 years?

My guess is both sides are correct. Apple probably will not make iPhone significantly bigger than it is now but will fit a larger display by eliminating bezel instead.
 
Given the same resolution? You bet it would.
This is just a ridiculous statement. I love the iPhone, but the screen is puny and there is no way that it is preferable to 4"+ screen to most people.

The whole "larger hand" argument is the one that makes me laugh the hardest! Really?? Are your hands that small?? Unless you are an unusually small human being, the HTC One X or Droid RAZR Maxx can be handled easily with one hand.

iPhone is still a great device, but Apple essentially stood still with the 4s and if they don't come up with something revolutionary, then a lot of people will jump ship. There's no telling what will come out of Cupertino in this post-Steve Jobs era...nobody knows.

As somebody who wants to buy the 5th iteration of iPhone, I require that it has a bigger screen or I won't purchase it, and I suspect that many people feel the same way.
 
This is just a ridiculous statement. I love the iPhone, but the screen is puny and there is no way that it is preferable to 4"+ screen to most people.

The whole "larger hand" argument is the one that makes me laugh the hardest! Really?? Are your hands that small?? Unless you are an unusually small human being, the HTC One X or Droid RAZR Maxx can be handled easily with one hand.

As opposed to the "bigger is better because it's... bigger" argument? :)

iPhone is still a great device, but Apple essentially stood still with the 4s and if they don't come up with something revolutionary, then a lot of people will jump ship. There's no telling what will come out of Cupertino in this post-Steve Jobs era...nobody knows.

"Essentially stood still" = Best in class CPU/GPU along with camera and antenna improvements
"Revolutionary" = An extra 0.5" of screen space

As somebody who wants to buy the 5th iteration of iPhone, I require that it has a bigger screen or I won't purchase it, and I suspect that many people feel the same way.

The 5th iteration of iPhone has a 3.5" screen. That isn't going to change. :D



Personally, I don't care what size screen the next iPhone has as long as it's in the same ballpark. What I care about is how Apple deals with the trade offs if they do decide to change the size.
 
As opposed to the "bigger is better because it's... bigger" argument? :)



"Essentially stood still" = Best in class CPU/GPU along with camera and antenna improvements
"Revolutionary" = An extra 0.5" of screen space



The 5th iteration of iPhone has a 3.5" screen. That isn't going to change. :D



Personally, I don't care what size screen the next iPhone has as long as it's in the same ballpark. What I care about is how Apple deals with the trade offs if they do decide to change the size.
Well, this post starts out with the same, tired old Steve Jobs dogma all you diehard fans keep spewing without thinking, and then you end it up by making a pretty reasonable statement. :D
 
Well, this post starts out with the same, tired old Steve Jobs dogma all you diehard fans keep spewing without thinking, and then you end it up by making a pretty reasonable statement. :D

What dogma did I spew? Or are you just confused because I didn't choose one extreme or the other? Did you actually disagree with anything I said?
 
Well, this post starts out with the same, tired old Steve Jobs dogma all you diehard fans keep spewing without thinking

Aren't you the same person who predicted early last year Apple will die out like BlackBerry if they don't change the size? Basically the same tired old dogma all you diehard anti-fans keep spewing without thinking ;) (see how that works?)

Besides BaldiMac makes a perfectly reasonable argument. Apple has made a ton of changes to iPhone over the years and yet all it matters is screen size somehow.

Then again, if they changed the screen size, I'm sure someone would say "if Apple doesn't change the icon screen, they'll die like BlackBerry"
 
It never ceases to amaze me about how Apple has brainwashed some people.

I am a Mac user, I have owned every iPhone, but it is not lost on me that the iPhone is facing a major challenge and is no longer the easy choice that it once was.

iPhone, as it is currently constructed, is an inferior device to at least two phones...the RAZR Maxx and the HTC One X...why is this so hard for people to understand and admit?
 
It never ceases to amaze me about how Apple has brainwashed some people.

I am a Mac user, I have owned every iPhone, but it is not lost on me that the iPhone is facing a major challenge and is no longer the easy choice that it once was.

iPhone, as it is currently constructed, is an inferior device to at least two phones...the RAZR Maxx and the HTC One X...why is this so hard for people to understand and admit?

Keep fighting those strawmen. :rolleyes:
 
It never ceases to amaze me about how Apple has brainwashed some people.

I am a Mac user, I have owned every iPhone, but it is not lost on me that the iPhone is facing a major challenge and is no longer the easy choice that it once was.

iPhone, as it is currently constructed, is an inferior device to at least two phones...the RAZR Maxx and the HTC One X...why is this so hard for people to understand and admit?

It is your opinion. We all value different things as important on a phone. Some excel in the areas that are important to you, others in areas that are important to me. I think the iPhone suits me better than any other phone, but I am not going to proclaim that it is for you, and that you are brainwashed if you think otherwise.
 
iLounge was spot on with the third generation iPad, but I have serious doubts about their sixth generation ("iPhone 5") predictions.

They claim the next-generation iPhone will 'roughly' have a 4 inch display. They also claim that Apple will not reduce the current display in width, but only in length. This means the resolution will be YYYY x 640, with a pixel density of 326 pixels per inch.
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I believe the entire iLounge report is likely a fabrication based on speculation by other sources.

The Verge reader, Colin was only proposing a possibility, not fabricating or spreading a rumor.
His calculation of 1152 x 640 for a 4-inch display makes an even 9:5 ratio, but not an appropriate one, it is too wide for HD content.
To me, this voids John Gruber's comment "Methinks "Colin" wasn't merely guessing or idly speculating"

This calculation also makes the display 10mm taller.

Another speculation by analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, was the possibility of reducing the thickness of the iPhone by using in-cell touch technology, a thinner battery and a metal back cover. He didn't however account for the thickness required for the camera.

He arrived at 7.9mm thickess.

Aside from being perhaps too thin, the iLounge report appears to me to be a distillation of these speculations:
4-inch widescreen display
Making the entire case 10mm taller and no wider;
Reducing the thickness nearly 2mm;
A metal back cover (some not, so that an antenna might work).

Unless the dock connector goes micro USB, I find any change to it perplexing.
 
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iPhone, as it is currently constructed, is an inferior device to at least two phones...the RAZR Maxx and the HTC One X...why is this so hard for people to understand and admit?

Because ever since around 2010, this forum has been consistently been full of people who shout "Stop being an Apple fanboy and admit iPhone is inferior and Apple is in danger from Android due to its small display and old OS"?

Here's an example from April 2010
If the 4G screen is not bigger, switch to EVO?

Here's another example from June 2010
(Android fans) can't understand why people are so brainwashed by an inferior product and Operating system.

And so on. There have been so many of these "You guys are all Apple fan boys, iPhone is doomed" postings it's hard to cover them all.

Judging by the amount of predictions made on Apple's impending death due to the inferiority of iPhone, I'm still flabbergasted by how poorly Android makers are doing while Apple is being enjoying an unprecedented success.

Perhaps it's time for others understand and admit that iPhone might not be the best product for them but it's the best product for many others.
 
I think the best thing for developers is to either keep a 960 x 640 resolution or go to a 1920 x 1280 resolution.

Your 1440 x 960 resolution might scale properly since it is easily scalable thanks to the previous 480 x 320 resolution. However, it would be harder for developers to adjust their artwork compared to the iPhone 4's display.

A 1920 x 1280 resolution is, however, unrealistic because of an extremely high pixel density.

I'm not suggesting you're wrong, all I'm doing with this thread is suggesting that iLounge might be wrong.
Why would it be more difficult for developers to adjust their artwork? As long as they've got higher resolution images it shouldn't matter, and if they don't then they'll have a problem with any increase resolution.
 
This is just a ridiculous statement. I love the iPhone, but the screen is puny and there is no way that it is preferable to 4"+ screen to most people.
Unless your eyesight is going, an extra half inch with the same resolution will gain you exactly.. nothing. The screen will not display more information, while pocketability decreases. I don't see how this is hard to grasp.

The whole "larger hand" argument is the one that makes me laugh the hardest! Really?? Are your hands that small?? Unless you are an unusually small human being, the HTC One X or Droid RAZR Maxx can be handled easily with one hand.
You're confusing me with someone else, because I didn't mention hands. And you're confusing me with someone else, because I'm a 6 foot, 195 pound 40 year old, who, because he's been working in meatfactories for the past twenty years, has large muscled hands and fingers. And yet I don't want my next phone to be larger than my 3GS. Isn't that some crazy **** right there?

As somebody who wants to buy the 5th iteration of iPhone, I require that it has a bigger screen or I won't purchase it, and I suspect that many people feel the same way.
Yeah. And many don't.
 
This is just a ridiculous statement. I love the iPhone, but the screen is puny and there is no way that it is preferable to 4"+ screen to most people.

The whole "larger hand" argument is the one that makes me laugh the hardest! Really?? Are your hands that small?? Unless you are an unusually small human being, the HTC One X or Droid RAZR Maxx can be handled easily with one hand.

iPhone is still a great device, but Apple essentially stood still with the 4s and if they don't come up with something revolutionary, then a lot of people will jump ship. There's no telling what will come out of Cupertino in this post-Steve Jobs era...nobody knows.

As somebody who wants to buy the 5th iteration of iPhone, I require that it has a bigger screen or I won't purchase it, and I suspect that many people feel the same way.

iPhones are great and I like mine so I hope people don't take this the wrong way but they are becoming stagnant like RIM did IMO. They don't have to be radical with anything but they could move a tad faster than the baby steps they do.

I'm going to have to agree with you about the screen is going to have to be larger for me, I hope it's not 4" tall but that it's taller and wider than the current model. I use my phone more for text,emails, websurfing and RDP back into servers at work. A larger screen would be nice and probably would allow me to leave my iPad2 or laptop at home when I travel which would be nice and one less thing to worry about and keep up with.

If it's stays 3.5" iOS6 is going to have to some major features for me and not something that Android already has ie putting weather on the lock screen don't get me wrong I want that on my iphone but if little tweaks like that are the only thing iOS6 brings it won't be enough for me personally. Also making it thinner for me won't really be a plus as it's going to be in case anyway

So basically I'm hoping for a 4"+ screen and UI overhaul. If the screen is larger but iOS stays the same pretty much with some added tweaks I'll probably buy. If the screen stays small and only minor tweaks to iOS6. I may have to look at Android or Win8.
 
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