I'm officially becoming one of those LowEndMacs wackos

Discussion in 'Apple Collectors' started by coupdetat, Mar 12, 2009.

  1. coupdetat macrumors 6502

    Jul 11, 2008
    I sold my MacBook Air last night and replaced it with a Vaio TZ2500. That puts me back to PPC-only Macs--I still own a 12" PowerBook and a 600mhz iMac G3. I have to say, I've become pretty disenchanted with modern Macs. I usually find the people on LEM to be a bunch of wackos, but I really have to agree that the old Macs were the best.

    I think Apple has just gotten complacent and is no longer being run in the competitive "startup"/underdog mentality. After years of getting awesome hardware and software releases on a regular basis, we're not left with much of anything these days. I think the last Mac Mini and iPod shuffle updates are what really drove the point home.

    Granted, I still thought the MBA was an amazing machine, and probably the only innovative thing Apple has done in a long time. Unfortunately I can't justify keeping around two ultraportables.

    After looking at pricing on the TZ that I'm typing on now, it just became too obvious that modern Macs aren't worth what Apple charges. I paid $1100 for this TZ, which came with a 64gb SSD as well as a 250gb HDD. It also runs about six hours on a charge, as opposed to 3-ish on the MBA, and has a gorgeous carbon fiber lid.

    The sad thing is that I'm more productive on my PPC Macs than on the MBA, because Office runs so much faster on the PPC platform. Office 2004 launches instantly on a G4, yet both 2004 (via Rosetta) and 2008 are dog-slow on modern Intel Macs.

    Anyways, that's my rant. In a nutshell, I love PPC's. In the Intel age, I think it's just a better value to get a PC.
  2. edgew8 macrumors regular


    Dec 8, 2008
    agreed. I don't like this whole direction of glossy on everything monitors either, I have a PPC iMac and will use it till its dead and the only new mac I will get is the white intel iMac because I need XP once and while and because it doesn't have the cheap glossy panel.
    I also don't get the whole move to no longer sell the lovely ACD's except for the 30" and who knows how long before they drop that. I see ACD's on TV all the time and they are beautiful and NOT GLOSSY!, why would Apple get rid of them? oh that's right to peddle the crappy glossy 24" LED display. Also, no more X-macs like the G3-G4 era, That is truly sad.
    Apple seems more and more less of a computer company and more like Sony these days. I think it is great that they are making fat cash and still making American stock holders money in this crap economy but I do miss the old Apple.
  3. likemyorbs macrumors 68000


    Jul 20, 2008
    i dont agree. i love old macs but the new ones are still amazing. what about them dont you like?
  4. Winni macrumors 68040


    Oct 15, 2008
    Why don't you just read his post? He's said it all and he's got some very valid points.
  5. Lord Blackadder macrumors G5

    Lord Blackadder

    May 7, 2004
    Sod off
    I'm still using G4s, a 15" PowerBook and Power Mac G4 "Digital Audio". Office 2008 runs pretty well on both.

    If I was getting a pair of new computers I'd consider an EeePC laptop (or whatever it's called), I like the idea of a barebones lightweight mobile computer. But I'd also need a Mac Pro.

    When you mentioned LEM, I thought we were going to be talking about older Macs...like 68k machines. I still have a handful of those. Just booted up my PowerBook 170 the other day and it still works.

    I think the current Vaios are ugly though. Actually, I still find ALL PC laptops are ugly and clunky in comparison to Mac laptops. The PC laptops touted as being attractive look fussy or gaudy IMO. I love the simple shape, nothing-to-catch-on design of Apple's laptops. Function aside, their form factor has yet to be equaled or bettered in the PC world.
  6. likemyorbs macrumors 68000


    Jul 20, 2008
    Actually, all he said was that apple no longer has the "startup"/underdog mentality, which isnt very specific. he failed to mention what he doesnt like about the new machines that are currently being released so i asked a simple, lighthearted question. so next time you feel like posting douche bag comments just to make yourself feel special, dont.
  7. Roderick Usher macrumors regular

    Dec 9, 2006
    Those statements would get you eviscerated in some of the upper forums, but you're reasonably safe down here in the Apple Collectors ghetto. ;) And I 100% agree. What we've been getting for the last several years, Mac-wise, have been iterations on the same product lineup. Slicker, sleeker, faster each time - but still essentially the same lineup. I've heard it argued that there's not much room for improvement left, that you can't revolutionize what's already perfect... but that's tunnel-visioned crap. This is technology, and these are computers we're talking about here, the most general-purpose device ever invented. Of course there's room for improvement, there's room for a revolution. And what better company than Apple to do it? The question is, do they still have it in them?
  8. MacTech68, Mar 13, 2009
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2011

    MacTech68 macrumors 68020


    Mar 16, 2008
    Australia, Perth
    I'm really in two minds about the OP's statement.

    Firstly, I've been repairing and using Apple Computers for over 20 years.

    Secondly, I'm still amazed that within that time we've come from no Hard Drives at all, no mice (mouses?), and 48K of memory to desktop video editing, worldwide video/audio communications, 1000GB hard drives, 4GB RAM and more recently, multi-touch screens.

    I think the biggest problem for the real innovators is that the pace of innovation is expected to be much quicker than it used to be. This IMHO, relies on two things. The technology to produce an idea needs to be available, technically viable and reasonably inexpensive, and you need "great ideas" people.

    I think people's expectations on true innovation are way ahead of what is truly possible. The pace of this industry may have become faster than is sustainable in terms of innovation.

    If you bring all computing down to grass roots level, there hasn't really been any innovation in personal computing since the mouse and GUI.

    I should add that my home has 2 G3's and 2 G4's currently in daily use, but I would love to have the speed of a more recent C2D Intel Mac.

    What I'm waiting for is for Apple to use multi-touch screens as your mouse. No trackpad. Just the screen. Now, how do you right-click a screen? :D
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  9. suburbiton macrumors member

    Mar 9, 2009
    So true - cos my iPhone is just like every other mobile phone I've had in the past.
  10. Roderick Usher macrumors regular

    Dec 9, 2006
    Those are points well taken - huge shifts in computing can't be expected to be commonplace, but I think that's somewhat balanced out by the fact that the means for new technology to get to market have accelerated alongside the technology itself; it's easier than ever, logistically, for some awesome new thing to become a consumer reality, and even more so for Apple, who, when they want to bring something new to market, simply do it. (Not that it's anywhere as easy behind-the-scenes as that makes it sound, but they still stand in marked contrast to, say, IBM, who has a history of inventing amazing new things - their R&D is second to none - and then putting them in a drawer. They actually had Coppermine-equivalent technology before Intel.)
  11. YuriVoorhak macrumors regular

    Jan 15, 2008
    I agree the product line gets more or less refined as time goes on. The only big shifts I can think of since The Return Of Jobs stabilized are the mini and the cube. I'm okay with that, though I do miss the days of left field entries like the eMate.

    My beef is that the earlier PPC era Macs were simply of a higher build quality. As market share goes up, so does the number of times I have to drag a box to the Apple Store. My last four machines have all had to go in multiple times. It's come to the point where I'm getting AppleCare on desktop machines, something I never would have thought to do back in the day. =/
  12. Dmac77 macrumors 68020


    Jan 2, 2008
    I'm going to disagree with the OP for the most part. I think that Apple has grown leaps and bounds since switching to Intel. The computers are much faster then the PPC Macs, and in general the hardware has drastically improved.

    That said, I'm disappointed with the lack of choice on screens. I would prefer to be able to get a 15" MBP with a matte display, but I can't, but I'll still take a Mac over some Winshit PC. I'm also disappointed with the removal of FW on the MBs. It seems that Apple is attempting to please the un-computer-savvy crowd, and not the pro and prosumer crowd nowadays.

  13. jodelli macrumors 65816


    Jan 6, 2008
    Windsor, ON, Canada
    I have this feeling some thing new is coming down the pike.

    It's happened before when the Apple line begins to get stale, going back to the original Mac, which was a move away from the several year old 8 bit Apple II line.

    The first Power Books were wonderful machines, in a completely different league from the suitcase size Mac Portable.

    The first G3 desktops about 1997 were outwardly indistinguishable from the older Power Mac generation. But the iMac took nearly everyone by surprise.

    The move to Intel, who saw that one coming? The G5s were noticeably slow to evolve mostly due to the power consumption of the PPC form factor.

    I'm not crossing my fingers though. If it happens, bonus.
  14. SkyBell macrumors 604


    Sep 7, 2006
    Texas, unfortunately.
    Heh, me and a friend were having a debate about this earlier tonight.

    Truthfully, I think Apple doesn't care anymore. The machines they make no longer have that "Appleish" feel. I've always been a PPC fanatic, but it goes deeper then that.

    Apple is once again, coming to a halt in terms of innovation and surprise. They're relying too much on the switchers to bring in their cash, and they've forgotten about the people of the PPC era.

    Intel could have been a good thing. And it was at first. But somehow, Apple has taken the wrong path, and they need to go back to basics.
  15. MattZani macrumors 68030


    Apr 20, 2008
    The PPC Macs had a certain Charm about them, and i love my iMac G3, but my MBP looks so much better, and has enough power for me at the moment (Geektool says im using 7% CPU). I Guess a PPC PowerMac could work, as it had the clock speed, but the Intel Macs look so modern! I Love the Aluminium too, and the Line is great at the Moment.
  16. claimjumper macrumors newbie


    Dec 17, 2008
    Go with whatever floats your boat and fits your pocketbook

    Can't fault you for buying what you perceive as a good value. Granted the Apples have always been expensive. There was a time when processor speed and drive capacity doubled every year or so as manufacturing processes improved. That has pretty much leveled off in the last few years. Today we are getting multiple processors instead and finally software that can make use of them. Since a core 2 duo and a serial ATA are the same no matter the platform the machine is running, I will propose that Apple's greatest strength is in their software. Applications that allow the average Joe to be creative and to do it quickly and easily without having to fight with his operating system at every turn. I'm more than happy to pay the premium for this ease of use.
  17. ceezy3000 macrumors 6502


    Jan 10, 2009
    The Valley!!
    i love old macs, theres trhis sort of, nostalgia, or rather, this feeling that well i cant explain, PPC 4ever
  18. marbles macrumors 68000


    Apr 30, 2008
    EU mostly
    Typing this on a PPC iMac , a 500Mhz Graphite summer 2000, great machine which just keeps chugging along, getting a bit slow for video because of the quality being streamed and software bloat(so am told) but ye, cool machines..My experience with Macs 2005+ has been dire, every one bought has been in the shop within a month or three or DOA,

    I'm hoping my recent order delivers good machines but I'm not holding my breath.
  19. bunit macrumors regular


    Jul 14, 2007
    Westerly RI
    He does have some good points. Although I only started using macs again (besides an old Apple II back in the day) when they started with the Intel chips. But after using OSX, I could never own a windows machine again.
  20. skinniezinho macrumors 65816

    Jan 1, 2009
    I can't talk by experience,because my only mac is my ibook g3,but from what I think I would feel if I buy for example a macbook (wich I know +- because one of my home mates have one) is that I paid 1000eur for "just" a 600eur pc with a some unibody case,in the powerpc era you got what no one else's got in terms of hardware...maybe it wasn't thaaat better (I don't know) but at least it was very different...
    Like others said Apple is not know (now) from great reliability,like it was before,it is not thaaaaaaat innovative as it was before,so maybe we are paying for something just a "little" better than other+macOS X...
    I do think macbooks and macbook pros are good machines,but not as good as ibooks and powerbooks were versus it's opponents..
  21. mcavjame macrumors 65816


    Mar 10, 2008
    phased to this universe
    The biggest draw for me to Apple is the OS. Stability and maintenance is much better for me than it ever was on a PC (windows) machine.

    Consider this though; as a video editor, it used to take in excess of 2 hours to transcode a video on my G5 Power Mac. It takes roughly 12 minutes to do the same task on my Mac Pro.

    People complain about the lack of design change on the exterior of the machine (I don't mind it). The interior, however, it beautiful. Almost no tools required to work on the interior. Hard drives snap into place. It has never been easier to add or swap out RAM. Access to the PCI slots is easy and uncramped.

    An absolute beauty of a machine to operate and maintain. Given the consideration to the design of the interior, this machine will last me for at least 4 more years. I don't work with PCs any longer, but I would be surprised to find a machine as well designed by any other company.
  22. neonblue2 macrumors 6502a

    Aug 25, 2006
    Port Pirie, South Australia
    Then don't use Office. Use an Office-compatible alternative like OpenOffice, NeoOffice or iWork.
  23. coupdetat thread starter macrumors 6502

    Jul 11, 2008
    ...your sig says you're 17, what do you know about productivity? OpenOffice and its derivatives are terrible--I would never cheap out on something critical to my job and school. iWork is good, but limited. Numbers, especially, is unusable.

    I'm studying biomedical engineering so I use Matlab, Mathematica, and Excel heavily--both Matlab and Excel are much worse on OSX than on Windows. Also, Origin is an incredible Windows-only graphing package that I use during summer internships. Nothing on Mac comes close to it.

    OSX is still way superior though. I've already had numerous crashes in Vista, mostly related to searching and file operations. None have brought the machine down, but have necessitated an Explorer restart. Ultimately, the hassle of dealing with Vista are outweighed by the time and hassle I save with applications, as well as the hardware/cost advantages. Not having to hunt around for outlets in the library is a HUGE benefit.
  24. gkarris macrumors 604


    Dec 31, 2004
    "No escape from Reality..."
    So, you spend most of your free time hitting "refresh" on Apple's Mac Mini page, hoping for an update???

    I know the feeling. I've always loved low-end and pizza-box Macs. I cringed and purchased a Black MacBook refurbished ($1049 + AppleCare + upgrades :eek:). I still feel "weird" taking it out in public and keeping it in my car, thinking it will be stolen, crushed, ruined, etc. after paying all that money.

    I don't feel that way at all with my cheap-o Acer laptop I paid $379 for... :)

    Enjoy your Sony - everyone I know that has one has never had a problem with it.

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