Im sorry. But Liquid Glass looks cheap.

[BB714]

I know theres no going back (bummer) but this aesthetic looks cheap to me. Like clear plastic you find in some of those shops that carry decorative chintzy things that end up in a drawer. Was flat design really that outdated and terrible? I feel like we were given a solution to a problem no one had.
/rant over.

 

[Adam Warlock]

For me it's the terrible blur or whatever it is on icons in the Dock. Makes them look fuzzy, unclear. Here we are paying top dollar for high-end screens and we're brought six steps backwards with blurry icons! Pathetic.

 

[fisherking]

there's a whole thread about this already: liquid glass discussion

 

[turbineseaplane]

For me it's the terrible blur or whatever it is on icons in the Dock. Makes them look fuzzy, unclear. Here we are paying top dollar for high-end screens and we're brought six steps backwards with blurry icons! Pathetic.

Sort of nukes the whole “retina” thing when they’ve gone and made stuff blurry … on purpose?

 

[MDTyKe]

Honestly, for a trillion $ company, it is absolutely appalling. They should have hired 2-3 people per app specifically to refine the UI, and could have launched a beautiful, polished product. Instead, they gave us this. It is an absolute insult to us all. Something as simple as Preview sidebar.. the + button in the bottom left. Really? It is a slap in the face, and a middle finger.

 

[fisherking]

Honestly, for a trillion $ company, it is absolutely appalling. They should have hired 2-3 people per app specifically to refine the UI, and could have launched a beautiful, polished product. Instead, they gave us this. It is an absolute insult to us all. Something as simple as Preview sidebar.. the + button in the bottom left. Really? It is a slap in the face, and a middle finger.

who's 'us'? not everyone dislikes it. hardly a 'slap in the face, and a middle finger'. 🤷

 

[MDTyKe]

who's 'us'? not everyone dislikes it. hardly a 'slap in the face, and a middle finger'. 🤷

You like bugs, and visual inconsistencies like this, in Preview.app? Got it. This is the slap in the face, when a trillion $ company can't even assign a single developer to fine tune the most basic UI implementation for it's official apps.

 

[turbineseaplane]

You like bugs, and visual inconsistencies like this, in Preview.app? Got it. This is the slap in the face, when a trillion $ company can't even assign a single developer to fine tune the most basic UI implementation for it's official apps.


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I don’t know how anyone can think this is ok for a RC version out of a company with the resources of Apple.

 

[MDTyKe]

I don’t know how anyone can think this is ok for a RC version out of a company with the resources of Apple.

This is the middle finger I'm referring to. This launch really requires some people to be fired, and investors to demand answers. They could literally have assigned 3 people per official app, and had them fine-tooth comb the UI. They did not.

 

[fisherking]

This is the middle finger I'm referring to. This launch really requires some people to be fired, and investors to demand answers. They could literally have assigned 3 people per official app, and had them fine-tooth comb the UI. They did not.

every version of every apple OS (like all OSes) is a work-in-progress; hence, the endless procession of betas, and OS updates. things that are genuinely issues need to be sorted out, and hopefully will be.

in the meantime, it's the GUI, not the functionality, or security of the OS. still, ppl get hysterical over pixels 🤷

 

[MDTyKe]

every version of every apple OS (like all OSes) is a work-in-progress; hence, the endless procession of betas, and OS updates. things that are genuinely issues need to be sorted out, and hopefully will be.

in the meantime, it's the GUI, not the functionality, or security of the OS. still, ppl get hysterical over pixels 🤷

The GUI is what 99% of people see and experience. Nobody expects a perfect macOS, but the level of inconsistency and buggy UI's has zero excuse, especially since the beta feedback was significant on these bugs. A work-in-progress is the betas. The launch is minor refinements. This is not the Apple of old. Do you remember Jobs fired an entire floor worth of people because a font was wrong? That was the Apple that changed me.

Apple, as a trillion $ company, have no excuse for this level of sloppiness. As I've said before, Apple should have assigned 1.. or 10 developers *per official app* to iron out UI bugs, but they refused to. This is absolutely appalling, and people need to be fired, and investors need answers.

 

[fisherking]

The GUI is what 99% of people see and experience. Nobody expects a perfect macOS, but the level of inconsistency and buggy UI's has zero excuse, especially since the beta feedback was significant on these bugs. A work-in-progress is the betas. The launch is minor refinements. This is not the Apple of old. Do you remember Jobs fired an entire floor worth of people because a font was wrong? That was the Apple that changed me.

Apple, as a trillion $ company, have no excuse for this level of sloppiness. As I've said before, Apple should have assigned 1.. or 10 developers *per official app* to iron out UI bugs, but they refused to. This is absolutely appalling, and people need to be fired, and investors need answers.

disagree, as i like the new GUI (which, agreed, still needs work). but wondering where you get your info: "Apple should have assigned 1.. or 10 developers *per official app* to iron out UI bugs, but they refused to"...

if it's just your theory, or opinion... that's cool. we're all entitled to our opinions 👍

 

[maxoakland]

every version of every apple OS (like all OSes) is a work-in-progress; hence, the endless procession of betas, and OS updates. things that are genuinely issues need to be sorted out, and hopefully will be.

in the meantime, it's the GUI, not the functionality, or security of the OS. still, ppl get hysterical over pixels 🤷

The GUI is the thing you interact with every single day. It's how the computer works. The Mac GUI was developed by people with an extremely intense desire to make computers polished and easy to use, and that's why people who care about that stayed with Macs for a long time

Weird we've gotten to a place where people like you are excusing Apple's poor GUI designs because it's "just a GUI"

 

[ForkHandles]

“I hate things, let me tell you why!”

 

[fisherking]

The GUI is the thing you interact with every single day. It's how the computer works. The Mac GUI was developed by people with an extremely intense desire to make computers polished and easy to use, and that's why people who care about that stayed with Macs for a long time

Weird we've gotten to a place where people like you are excusing Apple's poor GUI designs because it's "just a GUI"

please read my actual words. i don't think it's a poor design, altho i agree it needs work. i like it... and i'm not alone.

i'm saying that ppl meltiing down (or reverting to a previous OS) over the GUI, rather than, say, a sluggish or unstable system seems... extreme. but it's their absolute right to do so.

this is a mac-centric forum; we're (mostly) overthinking things here. but, in the real world (outside of mac forums), people simply use their macs, do their work, and play, and life goes on.

i love this forum, am happy to help where i can, discuss when i want, and have a contradictory opinion... if i in fact do.

 

[grammatica]

I hate the app icons.

 

[ApAx]

For me it's the terrible blur or whatever it is on icons in the Dock. Makes them look fuzzy, unclear. Here we are paying top dollar for high-end screens and we're brought six steps backwards with blurry icons! Pathetic.

I spent an embarrassing amount of time trying clean the nonexistent smudges off my screen because of this! Then I tried to figure out what setting could possibly make app icons default to looking out of focus, and finally resigned myself to accepting that's what the kids want these days maybe?

 

[Apple Knowledge Navigator]

I hate the app icons.

Ssshhh. You’re making too much sense!

 

[tkermit]

The GUI is what 99% of people see and experience. Nobody expects a perfect macOS, but the level of inconsistency and buggy UI's has zero excuse, especially since the beta feedback was significant on these bugs. A work-in-progress is the betas. The launch is minor refinements. This is not the Apple of old. Do you remember Jobs fired an entire floor worth of people because a font was wrong? That was the Apple that changed me.

Apple, as a trillion $ company, have no excuse for this level of sloppiness. As I've said before, Apple should have assigned 1.. or 10 developers *per official app* to iron out UI bugs, but they refused to. This is absolutely appalling, and people need to be fired, and investors need answers.

I'm not sure this could have been avoided given what they set out to do. Honestly, as an engineer at Apple I would be furious at their designers for introducing such vast amounts of complexity into the development of the UI...

 

[Rychiar]

For me it's the terrible blur or whatever it is on icons in the Dock. Makes them look fuzzy, unclear. Here we are paying top dollar for high-end screens and we're brought six steps backwards with blurry icons! Pathetic.

my dock icons aren't blurry 🤷‍♂️

 

[The Clark]

I love it and it's honestly stunning. People just hate change
Edit: If you think it's blurry, that's a good indication you need glasses.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

I love it and it's honestly stunning. People just hate change
Edit: If you think it's blurry, that's a good indication you need glasses.

I don't like transparency. My world isn't transparent...I don't read transparent books, I don't use transparent monitors, the paperwork on my desk isn't transparent..

I don't interact with anything transparent except windows (the physical objects, not the OS), which don't convey information except what is on the other side.

 

[iBreatheApple]

Yep. It looks very cheap.

 

[Starfia]

Occasionally, I've found myself emitting a soft "oh, that's nice."

But in general? Honestly, "dated" is the main word that's occurred to me while using it today. Running the experiment of momentarily pretending this was a design approach from seven or ten years ago felt almost shockingly more believable than I thought it would.

On top of the glassiness, over-circularness, and additional needless visual complexity… widgets are now just… paler? Like, the developers can no longer decide how they look?

I've more often found myself squinting and emitting an incredulous "… what is this?" And that's after I thought I'd taken the whole summer to prepare myself.

It's really striking. I've never, since the original Macintosh days, failed to enthusiastically embrace an update, fathom the rationale, and admire the taste.

 

[Take Flight]

IMO everything since iOS 7 has almost been like a wireframe. And MacOS has been a bit frankensteined somewhere in between. To me this seems to bring back some type of consistent design language. Just installed macOS Tahoe and have been pleasantly surprised.

Having followed Apple design history (look up went into making original rounded corners of MacOS way back when), and then everything from the aqua to the chrome interfaces, I have to think this had been on a Jobs whiteboard at some point, and we now have the compute and horsepower to make it work.