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Im sorry. But Liquid Glass looks cheap.

turbineseaplane said:
I don’t know how anyone can think this is ok for a RC version out of a company with the resources of Apple.
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I find people consistently underrate the amount of complexity big software projects have in big companies. It's not that they don't care or don't have the resources, but rather that things tend to get increasingly complex until it becomes difficult to see the forest for the trees.

I've experienced this first hand at two big tech companies and it was demoralizing - not just for me but also for the powers that be - how impossible it seemed to swim against the tide of complexity.

Of course, it doesn't help that Apple has shifted its core priority from making "a dent in the universe" to vacuuming up us much money as they can, because this shifts the focus from the actual products to spreadsheets and powerpoint presentations.
 
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MDTyKe said:
The GUI is what 99% of people see and experience. Nobody expects a perfect macOS, but the level of inconsistency and buggy UI's has zero excuse, especially since the beta feedback was significant on these bugs. A work-in-progress is the betas. The launch is minor refinements. This is not the Apple of old. Do you remember Jobs fired an entire floor worth of people because a font was wrong? That was the Apple that changed me.

Apple, as a trillion $ company, have no excuse for this level of sloppiness. As I've said before, Apple should have assigned 1.. or 10 developers *per official app* to iron out UI bugs, but they refused to. This is absolutely appalling, and people need to be fired, and investors need answers.
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Hard truth is that after world had lost Steve Apple has slowly started to turn into Microsoft. Same level of inconsistencies all around that has become more apparent after their "AI slop" moment ("Apple Intelligence slop") when they have made flashy ads and then didn't deliver anything, now this totally rushed update. Can't even compare it to iOS 7 because it was at least something new, but 26 is barely a skin pack on top of already obsolete minimalism.

Apple is steadily moving to their next "90s moment". But there won't be a new Steve Jobs to save them this time
 
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BB714 said:
I know theres no going back (bummer) but this aesthetic looks cheap to me. Like clear plastic you find in some of those shops that carry decorative chintzy things that end up in a drawer. Was flat design really that outdated and terrible? I feel like we were given a solution to a problem no one had.
/rant over.
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If you have a backup, rolling back is very possible as 18.x versions are still being singed.

If you would like to do it, my post from the other day may help. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ios-26-rollback-guide.2465856/.
 
MDTyKe said:
You like bugs, and visual inconsistencies like this, in Preview.app? Got it. This is the slap in the face, when a trillion $ company can't even assign a single developer to fine tune the most basic UI implementation for it's official apps.


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How'd that bug/issue show up for you? I've been trying out Preview and it's been completely flawless for me. I've not seen anything like that on my iPhone, Mac, or iPad.
 
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fisherking said:
please read my actual words. i don't think it's a poor design, altho i agree it needs work. i like it... and i'm not alone.

i'm saying that ppl meltiing down (or reverting to a previous OS) over the GUI, rather than, say, a sluggish or unstable system seems... extreme. but it's their absolute right to do so.

this is a mac-centric forum; we're (mostly) overthinking things here. but, in the real world (outside of mac forums), people simply use their macs, do their work, and play, and life goes on.

i love this forum, am happy to help where i can, discuss when i want, and have a contradictory opinion... if i in fact do.
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I don't even want to argue over the design. Personally I think it looks like a cheap Winamp skin from the early 2000s. You like it. People have different preferences. But the amount of little bugs and visual inconsistencies isn't Apple worthy regardless of this. Steve Jobs obsessed over the tiniest of details. For the early Apple computers he insisted that the layout of the transistors was symmetric and beautiful. That the cases looked good from the inside. On computers that the vast majority of people never opened. It had absolutely zero impact on functionality.

It is this obsession about detail that made Apple what it is today. It wasn't an Apple of mediocrity. There were plenty of people back then who argued all those details didn't matter. Steve fired them. The Apple of today seems to have forgotten that spirit in favor of "work in progress". I do understand that some people don't care about this level of detail. For me it was refreshing to have at least one company that was obsessing with all these little details, fonts, design choices.
 
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Rychiar said:
my dock icons aren't blurry 🤷‍♂️
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Mine are not either. They've looked good on my MacBook Pro screen and my Mac Mini connected to a 4k and a 2k monitor. They are slightly soft looking on the 2k monitor but that's not something I'd describe as blurry, just softer. This is also true in iOS.

Apple had quite flat, sharp UI elements for years and is now stepping back a little to more 3D appearing design elements. I know others online are describing them as blurry (and I can understand that), but they are softer than previous icons as part of the "liquid glass" effect. Glass diffuses light a little and that effect is what some people are calling "blurry". Nothing looks blurry to me, just softer. Again, I know others are calling that blurriness but if you're one of those people, tell yourself it's just a bit of softness, which is true.

That's an idea from psychology called reframing. It's changing how you think about things. If "blurriness" is distressing to you and interfering with your ability to use the OS, then reframe and call it softness. If you think that's stupid, you might not like cognitive behavioral therapy. :)
 
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spamabyss said:
I don't even want to argue over the design. Personally I think it looks like a cheap Winamp skin from the early 2000s. You like it. People have different preferences. But the amount of little bugs and visual inconsistencies isn't Apple worthy regardless of this. Steve Jobs obsessed over the tiniest of details. For the early Apple computers he insisted that the layout of the transistors was symmetric and beautiful. That the cases looked good from the inside. On computers that the vast majority of people never opened. It had absolutely zero impact on functionality.

It is this obsession about detail that made Apple what it is today. It wasn't an Apple of mediocrity. There were plenty of people back then who argued all those details didn't matter. Steve fired them. The Apple of today seems to have forgotten that spirit in favor of "work in progress". I do understand that some people don't care about this level of detail. For me it was refreshing to have at least one company that was obsessing with all these little details, fonts, design choices.
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Oh Winamp Aero, how I miss you ...
 

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BB714 said:
I know theres no going back (bummer) but this aesthetic looks cheap to me. Like clear plastic you find in some of those shops that carry decorative chintzy things that end up in a drawer. Was flat design really that outdated and terrible? I feel like we were given a solution to a problem no one had.
/rant over.
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Unless you buy next release of Macbook / iMac / Mac Pro, you can still downgrade back to the old version anytime. MacOS is not like iOS. In my case, I still use Ventura on my macbook given my must-have apps and peripherals are still compatible with Ventura and I can still update to macOS Sonoma or Sequoia anytime I wanted.
 
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rafark said:
People complaining about change. More news at 11…
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Is it just change though? People have spent good money on devices that worked well before, he’ll they might have bought their device BECAUSE Of iOS. By upgrading they have had their previous experience of their expensive device removed.

I’m not really in the upgrade game because honestly I don’t trust Apple and their software quality (I use my Mac for my job). I’m still rocking Sonoma on the mac and I’ll continue using 18 on the phone as that’s the experience I paid for.

In the past I’ve always upgraded apple kit with apple kit but with liquid glass I’ll now seriously consider other vendors again.
 
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I have not had a chance to see how it looks, but hopefully it will look good and work well for my needs.
 
Isamilis said:
Unless you buy next release of Macbook / iMac / Mac Pro, you can still downgrade back to the old version anytime. MacOS is not like iOS. In my case, I still use Ventura on my macbook given my must-have apps and peripherals are still compatible with Ventura and I can still update to macOS Sonoma or Sequoia anytime I wanted.
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The way a computing device should always be -- including iPhone.
 
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BB714 said:
I know theres no going back (bummer) but this aesthetic looks cheap to me. Like clear plastic you find in some of those shops that carry decorative chintzy things that end up in a drawer. Was flat design really that outdated and terrible? I feel like we were given a solution to a problem no one had.
/rant over.
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I agree. I think it looks fine on Tahoe, but I'm not a fan on iOS/iPadOS.

If you look at the iPad, the dock glass, the folder background glass, and the larger folder background glass (that you see in the App Library for example) look completely different, there's no visual consistency.

Also the glass is, in many areas, missing the qualities of glass (like a hard highlight).

I think if they went back to the Aqua look with morphable buttons with that kind of consistency people wouldn't mind so much, but I don't know why it is that Apple has going on at the moment.

Also for the icons, they don't look good, they look fuzzy. A better approach would have been to allow the icons to be normal, but have them look like they're underneath glass (like the "lickable" buttons from the aqua days" but have an alpha channel that ensures a certain part of the icon is clear.

That was some word salad so imagine the music apps icons just a red note, no background, just a clear square "glass" element, or even reverse, the background is there but the music note is a clear glass element. (I hope that made sense, it looks nice in my head).

Although I am glad to see a departure from flat design.
 
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neuropsychguy said:
Mine are not either. They've looked good on my MacBook Pro screen and my Mac Mini connected to a 4k and a 2k monitor. They are slightly soft looking on the 2k monitor but that's not something I'd describe as blurry, just softer. This is also true in iOS.

Apple had quite flat, sharp UI elements for years and is now stepping back a little to more 3D appearing design elements. I know others online are describing them as blurry (and I can understand that), but they are softer than previous icons as part of the "liquid glass" effect. Glass diffuses light a little and that effect is what some people are calling "blurry". Nothing looks blurry to me, just softer. Again, I know others are calling that blurriness but if you're one of those people, tell yourself it's just a bit of softness, which is true.

That's an idea from psychology called reframing. It's changing how you think about things. If "blurriness" is distressing to you and interfering with your ability to use the OS, then reframe and call it softness. If you think that's stupid, you might not like cognitive behavioral therapy. :)
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Er... yeah... what he said... Or... the icons are simply blurry right after the latest OS update was applied. Coincidence? Naw. Not sure what you're selling here, but it seems like you're telling people they should gaslight themselves into believing the icons are not blurry, but 'softer' instead. Ahem. To quote Judge Judy, don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining. Rather than make use of the incredibly high resolutions screens we pay a bundle for we're supposed to accept blurry crap and like it. Ridiculous.
 
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1. Stay on Sequoia.
2. Download and use Tiger and Snow Leopard wallpapers to remind yourself of an era of greatness.
3. Use the following script to disable Tahoe updates and forced notifications:


4. You don’t need to upgrade if you don’t need to. Wait until Apple fixes this abomination. Maybe that will happen in macOS 27.
 
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Adam Warlock said:
Er... yeah... what he said... Or... the icons are simply blurry right after the latest OS update was applied. Coincidence? Naw. Not sure what you're selling here, but it seems like you're telling people they should gaslight themselves into believing the icons are not blurry, but 'softer' instead. Ahem. To quote Judge Judy, don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining. Rather than make use of the incredibly high resolutions screens we pay a bundle for we're supposed to accept blurry crap and like it. Ridiculous.
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That's certainly one way to interpret that I wrote... You missed the point of my comment.
 
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