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imac 2-3x faster powerbook 3-4x faster what a load of rubbish

Dont Hurt Me said:
Throw in a game of Doom or whatever and you will be amazed at the difference those frames make. G5/G4s are slow dogs in consumer gaming. All you have to do is look at Pc benches in gaming vs G5/G4 and its very clear. Apples new iMac is now 5 stars in my book and really only the the hardest core gamer might be upset but this opens up all PC gaming on the " iMac ":D Wow very cool, Apple is leaving the dog days of ppc:)
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nobody needs relly fast frames a tv runs at 20 frames a second there is really nod need to go above this
 
I still think of ANY G5 iMac as "new" ... but, in light of the posts about not running apps, I have yet to run any app on my iMac that was not already installed when I bought. I feel that for the vast majority of iMac owners, this will most likely be the case.
 
I've never read so much crap in a single thread!

Once Macs use Universal binaries for third-party apps (which will be soon) it definately will be faster than the system it replaced.

Doom 3 was tested using a beta of the universal binary version, so it's pretty obvious gains are going to be big. With a dual-core and X1600, consistant 30FPS will be hit in almost any game with high settings.
 
Macmadant said:
nobody needs relly fast frames a tv runs at 20 frames a second there is really nod need to go above this
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You are obviously not a gamer. There is a huge difference when a game is running at 20 vs 40 or 60 + Fps. You never want below 20 (ideally never below 30) in any gaming situation. Todays games are so detailed, it is very hard to run them at a consistently high frame rate, but it makes all the difference in the world for gameplay.
 
bodeh6 said:
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Doom 3 compiled for the PowerPC and not universal? Thus if running it on one of the new iMacs or MacBook Pros it would have to go through Rosetta thus affecting performance?
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Yes, but it has been tested on Rosetta using the dev sets, and even on those junkers it was still faster than the G5 can ever imagine. Now imagine the iMac....
 
I think Macmadant's trying to get quoted in the Financial Times again... :D

But he's absolutely right about the name - it really grates with me. I think it's the harshness of the "double kuh" sound - MacBook, just doesn't roll smoothly off the tongue at all.
 
You know I hate to bring this up but here it is...Photoshop Elements4 came out for windows a few months ago but never came out with PSE4 for the Mac as they said they were working on one. Adobe also said it would be out around March/April. It just might be the first step for the new Macs for Adobe to workout the kinks without professionals screaming about problems that arise.
Just a thought as it would be nice as that's what I use (for now) ;)
 
Yep, definitely some people talking out of their behinds here.

The benchmarks are typical Apple spin - but not that misleading if you take them for what they are.

Core Duo w/ a Radeon X1600 is no slouch for gaming - even with Rosetta a lot of the currently available games should be more than playable.

The MacBook might not have Alienware specs, but unlike the Alienware laptop it is actually usable as a portable and won't fry your nuts off when it's running full bore. I give it a thumbs up in the hardware department.

Not to mention that Apple is almost certain to release a 17" Macbook in a few months.

Software devs need to get off their butts and write universal binaries ASAP (most are doing just that as we speak), but even so I think this is going to be a smooth transition and Apple's best year ever for hardware.
 
but

iSaint said:
Watch the keynote...Steve showed two important benchmarks for both the new iMac and the MacBook.
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steve demo'd some iLife applications on the iMac. did you think to yourself, "wow that iMac is fast.... it must be an Intel"?

don't you think it was odd that after 'the biggest problem apple faced' (getting power in the power books) they demo'd.......a 1 minute iChat 2 way conversation.....? i'm sure these things are fast, but as a sales pitch i found it very very suprising.
 
Macmadant said:
This is very unlikely apple was telling us the g5 was twice as fast as any pc now they moved to intel it's intel chips that are faster, it's proberly no faster.
:mad: btw i refuse to use the name "macbook pro"
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First off let me just say that there is ALWAYS some exaggeration involved when telling just how fast one computer is compared to another. That's part of the whole marketing department.

Now, that being said, the Pentiums that were out when the G5 was first introduced are VASTLY different then the lastest Pentiums. If you following technology news, then you know how bad the Pentiums were since they were using the "NetBurst" architecture. They were so bad in fact that Intel has decided to entirely DROP that architecture in favor of the Pentium-M based architecture. Core Duo is the next evolution of that Pentium-M arch. that was so good and produced great performance/watt ratios and power saving features.

So it is quite possible that the new Macs are 3-4x faster than the current G5s that were 2-3x faster than the older Intels. Of course, they still don't compare to AMD but thats a whole different post.
 
Macmadant said:
nobody needs relly fast frames a tv runs at 20 frames a second there is really nod need to go above this
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PAL--25fps
NTSC (US standard)--29.97fps

Interlaced HD can be as high as 60fps. And yes, some games require higher frame rates, and all look better with it.
 
As the keynote has lost most of its Steve Jobs RDF illusion after a day since release, people will come to they senses and complain. Classic ;) :D


Well Apple has to start somewhere, I mean given that most developers are not ready to release they products now. However in the next 3-6 months it will be ready. Yes web browsing is faster and you have mail, and ilife 2006, etc..,native or universal code applications for the new x86 hardware. At least now developers can test they application on a consumer x86 Macintosh rather than a developer box, so why is everyone complaining. :rolleyes:

If you do not want to buy the x86 iMac or MacBook Pro, no one is forcing you too. :p

However Apple has to start somewhere, and in this regard people will always complain about something or the other. :eek:
 
Flowbee said:
Your posts are getting more ridiculous as the hours go by... time to hit the ignore button.
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MacTruck is just being impatient. ;)

People do not see this as a good thing. About 6 months back they were complaining they wanted a x86 notebook or desktop from Apple, and now that its released they complain that there is not enough software. You cannot please anyone without getting a slap in your face for trying. :rolleyes:
 
I don't know that people are complaining in this thread. Well, maybe a couple. But mostly they're just debating specs, and they are right to. It's a market untested new gen machine with essentially a PC processor. It's normal for Mac enthusiasts to be weary about change (remember, the G4 wasn't even completely solid until OSX).

Additionally, these specific machines are designed for work and casual home use, not graphics professional/processor or app intensive work, so testing the new Macbook (I hate the name too) against a dual 2ghz Powermac G5 would be pretty pointless, since they are built to do separate things. But yes, there are inconsistancies, and I'm sure it's not really 3-5X as fast as the latest Powerbook.
 
You know, I didn't like the MacBook name when it was first announced, but now that I think about it I'm changing my mind.

It's a good name for creating a strong brand identity. Steve Jobs hinted at this when he mentioned that he wanted to see "Mac" in the name of the new laptops.

We already have PowerMacs and iMacs....so MacBook fits in well.

Additionally, while this name may seem over-obvious to us, it is an indication that Apple is aiming squarely at potential switchers by really emphasizing the Mac-ness of the new laptops.
 
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