iMac 2019 screen technology

[-BigMac-]

Hi guys.

Buyers guide says a “significant screen technology” is rumoured for the next iMac.

Can someone elaborate what they think this might be?

Thanks

 

[MandiMac]

Of course, no one knows for sure. But a few things could be happening:

- True Tone Display (about the color temperature)
- Face ID (itˋs built in above the screen maybe)
- ProMotion (variable fps between 24 and 120)
- OLED/other variant with more colors, clarity and vibrance

That said, if Mac mini is a sign of things to come, we‘ll probably get better cooling, all-SSD, a T2 chip and a Space Grey chassis

 

[Fried Chicken]

What Mandi said plus HDR

 

[profets]

Of course, no one knows for sure. But a few things could be happening:

- True Tone Display (about the color temperature)
- Face ID (itˋs built in above the screen maybe)
- ProMotion (variable fps between 24 and 120)
- OLED/other variant with more colors, clarity and vibrance

That said, if Mac mini is a sign of things to come, we‘ll probably get better cooling, all-SSD, a T2 chip and a Space Grey chassis

Isn’t that all true of the current iMac pro? But yeah, let’s hope that the last Mac with a spinning disk finally goes all SSD.

 

[MandiMac]

Isn’t that all true of the current iMac pro? But yeah, let’s hope that the last Mac with a spinning disk finally goes all SSD.

Nope, it isn‘t true. That‘s why I think that the chassis will be the same for both models, but the innards will be more powerful in the Pro.

EDIT: I really should look what people are referring to when they‘re quoting me.

 

[profets]

Nope, it isn‘t true. That‘s why I think that the chassis will be the same for both models, but the innards will be more powerful in the Pro.

What isn’t true about it? Didn’t the iMac pro (compared to the iMac) get better cooling, all SSD, T2 and space grey?

Edit: ah it’s the T2 that’s missing isn’t it. Only Macs with Touch ID have it?

 

[MandiMac]

What isn’t true about it? Didn’t the iMac pro (compared to the iMac) get better cooling, all SSD, T2 and space grey?

Edit: ah it’s the T2 that’s missing isn’t it. Only Macs with Touch ID have it?

oh my god. You‘re completely right of course, I didn‘t see you had highlighted the things I said about Mac mini :/ I thought you were referring to my wishlist about the new iMac with True Tone etc. - my bad! Sorry for that.

 

[xgman]

The only interesting thing on that list above is OLED and I don't think there is any chance for that at all. I'm not sure what that rumor means. Could be to do with video cards I suppose or a super res new panel, or a new chassis, or some minor tweak to the 5k screen. Not enough info to read much into that. Clearly there will be something in 2019. I'm guessing it will be along the lines of a spec bump. A redesign for the imac may come with or after the mac pro. But this is all idle speculation. Even the iphones don't always evolve as fast as we would like and they are their best sellers by leaps and bounds over anything else.

 

[profets]

oh my god. You‘re completely right of course, I didn‘t see you had highlighted the things I said about Mac mini :/ I thought you were referring to my wishlist about the new iMac with True Tone etc. - my bad! Sorry for that.

Ahhh lol no worries!

 

[Lammers]

I think it’s a misquote or misunderstanding of a supply chain leak. The exact text of the report was “significant display-performance upgrades”. In my opinion it probably just means the usual GPU performance improvement, nothing more.
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Of course, no one knows for sure. But a few things could be happening:

- True Tone Display (about the color temperature)
- Face ID (itˋs built in above the screen maybe)
- ProMotion (variable fps between 24 and 120)
- OLED/other variant with more colors, clarity and vibrance

That said, if Mac mini is a sign of things to come, we‘ll probably get better cooling, all-SSD, a T2 chip and a Space Grey chassis

I think all of that is wishful thinking, and the more likely outcome is the next iMac won’t have any of those things.

 

[Glmnet1]

I think it’s a misquote or misunderstanding of a supply chain leak. The exact text of the report was “significant display-performance upgrades”. In my opinion it probably just means the usual GPU performance improvement, nothing more.
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I think all of that is wishful thinking, and the more likely outcome is the next iMac won’t have any of those things.

I think this is the most realistic expectation we should have.

There might be something new for the display itself but the iMac's screen is already top of the line and I doubt Apple sees any good reason to upgrade it again so quickly. This sole rumor doesn't make it much likely.

 

[MandiMac]

There might be something new for the display itself but the iMac's screen is already top of the line and I doubt Apple sees any good reason to upgrade it again so quickly. This sole rumor doesn't make it much likely.

Then again, Apple says they‘re not watching the competition, they are always trying to better themselves. That‘s why they continue to even extend their lead when it comes to mobile processors, I wouldn‘t rule out any enhancements to their already awesome display just yet.

 

[mikehalloran]

The new display will launch with the new, New Mac Pro. Since that's being developed to run new, bleeding edge AV apps for the film industry, I'm expecting it to be a) very large and b) very expensive. If the next MP ships for a dime under $15k for the base model without that monitor, I'll be very surprised.

Apple has pretty much told us all this when they invited Tech Crunch in for a sit-down.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/05/apples-2019-imac-pro-will-be-shaped-by-workflows/

 

[Sakurambo-kun]

OLED is a non starter for PCs due to burn in. There's no reason why Apple shouldn't move into the realm of local dimming, quantum dot, and dramatically higher nit levels for HDR10 and Dolby Vision though.

Having owned a high end iMac until fairly recently and sold it to return to Windows I think Apple need to do a lot to make the iMac relevant. Giving it a high end screen would certainly be a good start, but it also needs a high end GPU. A real GPU too, not some gimped mobile abomination. A 2080Ti must be an option, with a 2060 as the low end.

After that they can add Vulkan, get pro app developers on board (Autodesk, Adobe, Pixologic, Allegorithmic, Epic, Unity etc), and design a real keyboard and mouse for the thing. Peripherals which are actually designed for human hands.

I'd also like an ultrawide option. They're pretty amazing and they make 16:9 screens feel positively cramped.

 

[mikehalloran]

All well and fine but the next Apple monitor is to be released with the next Mac Pro. The iMac screens are made by LG, last I checked.

 

[Glmnet1]

Then again, Apple says they‘re not watching the competition, they are always trying to better themselves. That‘s why they continue to even extend their lead when it comes to mobile processors, I wouldn‘t rule out any enhancements to their already awesome display just yet.

I agree with you for their mobile devices they are trying to better themselves all the time. For their desktop though, recently the strategy seem to be to keep them as is until no one in their right mind would buy it at full price and only then start planning an upgrade.

Giving it a high end screen would certainly be a good start, but it also needs a high end GPU. A real GPU too, not some gimped mobile abomination. A 2080Ti must be an option, with a 2060 as the low end.

After that they can add Vulkan, get pro app developers on board (Autodesk, Adobe, Pixologic, Allegorithmic, Epic, Unity etc), and design a real keyboard and mouse for the thing. Peripherals which are actually designed for human hands.

I'd also like an ultrawide option. They're pretty amazing and they make 16:9 screens feel positively cramped.

You're asking for a LOT here.

1) There is still no pascal nvidia driver for Mojave and no turing driver on any macOS version. Having a 2080Ti and a not yet released 2060 in an iMac would be nice but there's absolutely nothing that would make me think it's going to happen. I could maybe see the option to add one in a Mac Pro next year but even then I wouldn't bet on it.

2) Apple has made it clear that they are pushing Metal and nothing else on their OS. Some 3rd party are bringing Vulkan and others but I don't expect Apple to lift a finger to help.

3) The Magic Mouse, Keyboard and Trackpad are in my opinion the most beautiful computer peripherals ever invented. I think a lot of people agree and don't really care about the ergonomics or maybe just feel that they're good enough. I tried them all and I really didn't mind. Sure it's not great for gaming and a few other tasks but for a lot of people they are quite decent. I have a Logitech MX Master 2S now and it's definitely better but it's not as pretty and probably more expensive to manufacture so it would cut in Apple's margin.

 

[Sakurambo-kun]

You're asking for a LOT here.

1) There is still no pascal nvidia driver for Mojave and no turing driver on any macOS version. Having a 2080Ti and a not yet released 2060 in an iMac would be nice but there's absolutely nothing that would make me think it's going to happen. I could maybe see the option to add one in a Mac Pro next year but even then I wouldn't bet on it.

2) Apple has made it clear that they are pushing Metal and nothing else on there OS. Some 3rd party are bringing Vulkan and others but I don't expect Apple to lift a finger to help.

3) The Magic Mouse, Keyboard and Trackpad are in my opinion the most beautiful computer peripherals ever invented. I think a lot of people agree and don't really care about the ergonomics or maybe just feel that they're good enough. I tried them all and I really didn't mind. Sure it's not great for gaming and a few other tasks but for a lot of people they are quite decent. I have a Logitech MX Master 2S now and it's definitely better but it's not as pretty and probably more expensive to manufacture so it would cut in Apple's margin.

1) Apple have essentially infinite money at this point. They could be first in line for the 2060 if they wanted to be.

2) Metal is dead in the water on OSX. Where is the support? Adobe? Autodesk? Epic? Unity? Allegorithmic? Anyone...? As Apple have abandoned OpenGL they should at least support Vulkan.

3) Aesthetics are beyond irrelevant for something you touch and hold. Ergonomics trump all, and no human hand is shaped by a magic mouse. I tried using one for a weeks and I found it to be by a very, very long way the least comfortable mouse I've ever used. The lack of a middle mouse button (wheel click) is a game breaker too, as it makes Maya next to impossible to use. It's also a joke for gaming, but then again, nobody in their right mind tries to play games on a Mac.

 

[RemarkabLee]

1) Apple have essentially infinite money at this point. They could be first in line for the 2060 if they wanted to be.

Whatever works best for the most use case for Apple's customers is the best choice. At this time many apps are optimised for AMD. There is always the option of using an eGPU I'm sure on the next iMac allowing a 2080Ti to be used (once drivers are released).

2) Metal is dead in the water on OSX. Where is the support? Adobe? Autodesk? Epic? Unity? Allegorithmic? Anyone...? As Apple have abandoned OpenGL they should at least support Vulkan.

Apple may not natively support Vulkan, but it doesn't mean MacOS cannot use Vulkan. Read this.

3) Aesthetics are beyond irrelevant for something you touch and hold. Ergonomics trump all, and no human hand is shaped by a magic mouse. I tried using one for a weeks and I found it to be by a very, very long way the least comfortable mouse I've ever used. The lack of a middle mouse button (wheel click) is a game breaker too, as it makes Maya next to impossible to use. It's also a joke for gaming, but then again, nobody in their right mind tries to play games on a Mac.

Plenty of people play games on a Mac, but unlikely to be their primary use case. 3-Button mice can be purchased if that is your cup of tea.

 

[Peter_M]

I think there are few interesting updates for the iMac in the next 4-5 years. Except for GPU and CPU upgrades, there's nothing really exciting as far as I can see. Just look at the lacklustre MacBook Air release. Since Apple has limited themselves to AMD GPUs, there're no big GPU updates until late 2020 earliest (or more like 2121) - according to AMD themselves. At the same time, Nvidia is not at their best lately either. There'll be an iMac in probably mid 2019 with 8/9th gen Intel CPUs, as well as a Radeon 590M.

I can't see Apple adding HDR or 120hz to their monitors anytime soon, since Apple has become almost reactionary concerning computers at this point, focusing on constantly fine-tuning what already is, rather than truly innovate.

 

[Lammers]

1) Apple have essentially infinite money at this point. They could be first in line for the 2060 if they wanted to be.

2) Metal is dead in the water on OSX. Where is the support? Adobe? Autodesk? Epic? Unity? Allegorithmic? Anyone...? As Apple have abandoned OpenGL they should at least support Vulkan.

3) Aesthetics are beyond irrelevant for something you touch and hold. Ergonomics trump all, and no human hand is shaped by a magic mouse. I tried using one for a weeks and I found it to be by a very, very long way the least comfortable mouse I've ever used. The lack of a middle mouse button (wheel click) is a game breaker too, as it makes Maya next to impossible to use. It's also a joke for gaming, but then again, nobody in their right mind tries to play games on a Mac.

Actually I think Apple’s financial position may work in the opposite way to the way you think it should work. The more money they make, the more they are likely to focus their efforts on projects that can generate a sizeable return. This is the curse of large successful companies - the market values growth potential, and it’s very hard to grow a meaningful percentage when you’re booking >$60bn of revenue per quarter and have a market capitalisation if $1tn.

That said, your point is right - they could probably do these things if they chose to. They’re just choosing not to.

 

[Icaras]

I want a liquid display with rounded corners, but I think Apple will be saving that for the ARM macs.