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Dutch60

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At the moment I' m using a 2019 27" iMac (full specs / Intel). Works fine/fast. Specifically for photo editing (and printing), I' m considering a new 27" 1440p Eizo screen.
My dilemma :
1. Should I buy that Eizo and work with dual monitor setup (together with my current iMac), or
2. Should I sell my iMac and get a Mac Studio + that Eizo screen.
At least 80%/90% of my computer work is photography (rest is surfing internet/definitely no video)

Any experiences here?
I' ll also try to post this question on the Mac Studio forum.
Thank you for all advice/tips/etc.
 

theluggage

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At the moment I' m using a 2019 27" iMac (full specs / Intel). Works fine/fast. Specifically for photo editing (and printing), I' m considering a new 27" 1440p Eizo screen.

I'm assuming that you've done your research and have a good reason for considering a 1440p Eizo. E.g. because you have specific, specialised needs for colour-accuracy/gamut or calibration that the Eizo meets and the (otherwise superb) 5k iMac display doesn't. I appreciate that there are scenarios, esp. in photo editing, where colour accuracy/gamut and meeting reference standards are more important than resolution (and the iMac's P3 gamut is more video- than photo- oriented) - but for everything else it's going to feel like a hefty downgrade from the 5k iMac display.

The other "advantage" of 1440p is that you can match the default UI size of the iMac without scaling. With 4k@27" you have a three-way choice between "looks like 1080p" mode - which gives you rather large UI elements (not necessarily a problem if you hide the menu bar & dock or work in full screen mode and choose the appropriate zoom); "looks like 1440p" mode - which matches the iMac UI size at the expense of fractional scaling (which looks perfectly fine for general use IMHO - opinion seems divided - but will be an issue if you're doing pixel-accurate graphics) or finally "3840x2160" mode where the system UI is ridiculously small (marginally usable - may be OK if your app has it's own 'large icons' mode and your eyeballs are 20 years younger than mine). The thing to realise though is that *all* of these options display far more detail than you'd get on an actual 1440p display - and you can switch between them in a jiffy to suit what you're doing. An actual 1440p display is awful at anything other than 1440p - I think that 4k gives you far more flexibility. (That said, a few years ago, 1440p was the bee's knees - although I think MacOS and other software are now increasingly optimised for "retina" which includes 27" 4k displays at desktop viewing distances).

I've just switched from a 2017 higher-end iMac to a Mac Studio - I'd say that, in hand-wavy terms, it's about twice as fast and much quieter under load - so a 2019 iMac is going to be a closer-run thing - and you say you have no performance problems -so for you it almost comes down to desk space.

In terms of displays - for general contrast, crispness, "pop" and matching the native MacOS UI size, it's hard to beat the 5k iMac screen so anything other than a Studio Display is going to be, objectively speaking, sub-optimal. However, there are other considerations that might outweigh "optimum" image quality - I've gone for a 3840x2560 (3:2, 28.3") display because I much prefer that aspect ratio and, in that format, actually prefer the larger UI size in "looks like 1920x1280" mode - plus, I can get 2-3 of those for ridiculous real estate, and still have change from the price of a Studio Display. In your case I guess it would be to get some colour gamut/calibration not offered by the Apple display - but going all the way down to 1440p is going to be a shock to the system after using an iMac.

If you have the desk space I'd stick with the iMac for now - use dual displays if you have a well-defined need for something like the Eizo - and wait for the next generation of Mac Studio (the next 18 months will just fly by...) or even see if the rumoured M2 Mac Mini would meet your needs. If you're sufficiently cash-insensitive to be considering a Mac Studio I'd first look to see if there are any 4k displays that meet your photo editing needs.
 

Dutch60

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I'm assuming that you've done your research and have a good reason for considering a 1440p Eizo. E.g. because you have specific, specialised needs for colour-accuracy/gamut or calibration that the Eizo meets and the (otherwise superb) 5k iMac display doesn't.
correct. The iMac is ofcourse not a hardware calibrated wide gamut monitor. For viewing images it certainly is gorgeous though!
I appreciate that there are scenarios, esp. in photo editing, where colour accuracy/gamut and meeting reference standards are more important than resolution (and the iMac's P3 gamut is more video- than photo- oriented) - but for everything else it's going to feel like a hefty downgrade from the 5k iMac display.
That’s also what I think. But….I saw this new CG2700S in real life (unfortunately not for an extended period), and it didn’t disappoint at all. On the contrary, I would say. As I said before, for “only” viewing images, the iMac is superb. But for colour accuracy/gamut this Eizo is very hard to beat.
The other "advantage" of 1440p is that you can match the default UI size of the iMac without scaling. With 4k@27" you have a three-way choice between "looks like 1080p" mode - which gives you rather large UI elements (not necessarily a problem if you hide the menu bar & dock or work in full screen mode and choose the appropriate zoom); "looks like 1440p" mode - which matches the iMac UI size at the expense of fractional scaling (which looks perfectly fine for general use IMHO - opinion seems divided - but will be an issue if you're doing pixel-accurate graphics) or finally "3840x2160" mode where the system UI is ridiculously small (marginally usable - may be OK if your app has it's own 'large icons' mode and your eyeballs are 20 years younger than mine).
I have my iMac scaled to “normal”, which actually is 1440p. 5k scales very good to 1440p indeed. Not too sure about 4k scaling though.
The thing to realise though is that *all* of these options display far more detail than you'd get on an actual 1440p display - and you can switch between them in a jiffy to suit what you're doing.
Fine, but I have doubts about pixel accuracy and acuity. Zooming in at 100% isn’t enough to see those pixels/ that noise properly, and zooming to 200% looks a bit mushy. I definitely want to work as correct as possible when working on photo files and printing large. Could it be that those retina screens are meant to make everything “good/nice” no matter what?
My iMac prints look fine, but never completely true to what I see on my monitor. And yes, use a colorimeter.
An actual 1440p display is awful at anything other than 1440p - I think that 4k gives you far more flexibility. (That said, a few years ago, 1440p was the bee's knees - although I think MacOS and other software are now increasingly optimised for "retina" which includes 27" 4k displays at desktop viewing distances).
Ok, didn’t know that. But I certainly don’t plan to use that 27” screen other than its native resolution (1440p in this case)
I've just switched from a 2017 higher-end iMac to a Mac Studio - I'd say that, in hand-wavy terms, it's about twice as fast and much quieter under load - so a 2019 iMac is going to be a closer-run thing - and you say you have no performance problems -so for you it almost comes down to desk space.

In terms of displays - for general contrast, crispness, "pop" and matching the native MacOS UI size, it's hard to beat the 5k iMac screen so anything other than a Studio Display is going to be, objectively speaking, sub-optimal.
agree with you about general contrast/crispness and “pop”; that 5k iMac is unbeatable.
However, there are other considerations that might outweigh "optimum" image quality - I've gone for a 3840x2560 (3:2, 28.3") display because I much prefer that aspect ratio and, in that format, actually prefer the larger UI size in "looks like 1920x1280" mode - plus, I can get 2-3 of those for ridiculous real estate, and still have change from the price of a Studio Display. In your case I guess it would be to get some colour gamut/calibration not offered by the Apple display - but going all the way down to 1440p is going to be a shock to the system after using an iMac.
I’m a little afraid for such a shock. At the same time I could keep my iMac next to a new Eizo ofcourse (and maybe have the best of both worlds). Not sure yet.
If you have the desk space I'd stick with the iMac for now - use dual displays if you have a well-defined need for something like the Eizo - and wait for the next generation of Mac Studio (the next 18 months will just fly by...) or even see if the rumoured M2 Mac Mini would meet your needs.
very good idea (maybe waiting for a new Mac Mini, because my iMac still works very fine (full specked).
If you're sufficiently cash-insensitive to be considering a Mac Studio I'd first look to see if there are any 4k displays that meet your photo editing needs.
Well there are 4k Eizo’s as well (like the CS2740), but I don’t know how well these scale to 1440k. I doubt they do that as well as those 5k retina iMacs.

Thank you for your advice!
 

theluggage

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Well there are 4k Eizo’s as well (like the CS2740), but I don’t know how well these scale to 1440k. I doubt they do that as well as those 5k retina iMacs.
Well, first, 4k < 5k so a 5k display will always have more detail, whatever the scaling.

Nothing scales to 1440p quite as well as a 5k Apple display - as long as you're using up-to-date software that properly supports retina resolution it is effectively the same as using "full" 5k resolution but with the UI elements painted 2x larger so you can see them. To get the same UI size, a 4k display has to show a 5k image downsampled to 4k, so you will get slight artefacts if you lean in and stare at individual pixels.

With a 4k UHD display, the best, full 4k display quality is when it is scaled to 1080p - again, that's like using "native" 4k resolution with double-sized UI elements. The only issue is that the double-size UI elements are a bit large on a 4k@27" and can waste screen space - but that's just the user interface - you can zoom the content to match the native display resolution. You can see the UI size "issue" if you set your iMac to "1920x1080" - whether it is a problem depends on the software you use and how big the applications tools and palettes are (I've found that the Affinity stuff is perfectly sensible at this resolution). Of course, then your iMac will be doing fractional scaling so you'll get some pixel-level artefacts - but point of the test is about screen "real estate".
 

Dutch60

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Thank you again theluggage! Very informative and also what I expected (5k scales perfect to 1440p....my iMac is set to this "standard").
Good to know, that with 4k scaling, it' s about real estate, and not about the actual images. Didn't t know that. Next to DXO PL, I use Affinity as well. DXO works fine with this scaling as well. But yes, user interface ofcourse larger.
In general, I like the scaled 5k (1440p). And then probably also 1440p native (last one especially if I want to see what I' m doing when sharpening/noise reduction/etc...no scaling). Maybe not a bad idea, to keep my iMac....and get an Eizo solely for photography (which is the largest part of my computer work anyway). I' ll take a closer look at one of these 4k monitors (I think my friend uses a 4k LG).

By the way...interesting short article on this subject (although pre Mac Studio Display):

 
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