iMac: Has Apple lost its inovative touch?

Discussion in 'iMac' started by Zechsy, Jan 13, 2009.

  1. Zechsy macrumors newbie

    Oct 31, 2008

    As the title suggests, I'm not sure wether Apple will deliver with its new iMac. The new All-in-one PC's that have hit the market have put the bar on certain aspects a bit higher, the're defeniantly not perfect, but they really try to do something. Something I actually expected to come first from Apple.

    Look at the Sony JS. Outside of the GPU, the specs are more then solid. Possibility getting Blu-ray for it on the higher models. And it looks sleek too.

    Now take a look at HP's Touchsmart, this one does quite well actually. Touchscreen, Blu-Ray drive, 2.1Gz is a bit low tho but overall, this is an incredible All-in-One system.

    Then I'm looking at the current iMacs. At 1600Dollars you're getting a spec that's inferior to a MacBook Pro. No touchscreen, no blu-ray, ...looks sleek tho.

    Where am I heading? I'm going to say that those PC-naysayers are right at the moment, too many people simply mindlessly buy one.

    What do you think? Am I completely wrong or is there a tiny bit of truth?
  2. SpaceMagic macrumors 68000


    Oct 26, 2003
    Cardiff, Wales
    I don't think so. The iMac is still a great machine. The design is perfect and no one has come close yet. HP are trying but they are FUGLY.

    Have you ever tried using a touch screen by the way. Other than your iPhone, touch screen computers make your arms ACHE. It's totally impracticable and bad for your eyes. Imagine having to sit close enough to the screen so that you can touch it at arms length. Fine for a 17" but my 24" would hurt my eyes. Futhermore, no kids would be able to use it. IMHO adding a touch screen would be pointless at this stage of UI development.

    Blu-Ray. Who uses Blu-Ray?? The states? In Europe it hasn't really hit off at all. Very few know what it is, and when they do they don't want to spend the ridiculous prices to get a Blue Ray DVD film. They are just not widespread enough, especially when Apple has films and the touch of a button on iTunes. It's always been my theory that Blu Ray wont work... just like MiniDisc didn't. DVD added size and quality benefits on VHS. VHS was sluggish and ugly. Average home users didn't particularly like them hanging round the house. Blu-Ray means buying an expensive player, buying new expensive disks and at the end of the day they aren't space saving just better quality. Downloads will be the next big change. But not for another 18 months at least. BluRay will disperse.

    So yeh. I respect your opinion. We all want the latest and greatest. But who are WE? We are the innovators (read: geeks) who are up on these things. The average consumer. The ones who make the money for these companies... well... they just want a cheap, web browsing, photo editing machine.
  3. children macrumors regular

    Dec 22, 2008
    as far as i was concerned, macs were never really feature packed. they offer innovation in other areas such as ease of use, logical design of their hardware, beautiful/quality designs- and of-course osx.

    apple wants you to use itunes as your media source, so i dont blame them for the lack of blu-ray, and i dont really expect them to in the near future.

    if youre so concerned about clock speeds and video cards, you should just get an ailenware or an xps, but theres more to computers than that.
  4. sushi Moderator emeritus


    Jul 19, 2002
    I think that there is a balance between specs and integration.

    In my case, I will usually take integration over specs.

    I've looked at Sony, Dell, HP and some other offerings. Could the iMac be improved? Sure.

    I would expect that the next iMac will have a similar footprint and be thinner. Still a nice design IMHO.
  5. Old Muley macrumors 6502a

    Old Muley

    Jan 6, 2009
    Titletown USA
    Personally, I find the Touchsmart to be a bit gimmicky. Touch navigation makes perfect sense on a small, hand-held device (iTouch), but I really don't see the value on a desktop computer. Besides, fingerprints and smudges on a monitor drive me crazy!
  6. ~Shard~ macrumors P6


    Jun 4, 2003
    I don't like the HP unit at all. When Apple integrates more multi-touch into their desktops it will be along the lines of the multi-touch trackpad with the portable units i.e. your fingers will become the mouse interacting with the screen, not you physically touching the screen, tiring your arms out and gooping it up with fingerprints. :p ;)

    With regards to Blu Ray, I agree with SpaceMagic.

    As for the design, the iMac's design is great, and I honestly don't know what more Apple could do in terms of a ground-breaking design change. The unit will no doubt become thinner and so forth, but there isn't much more Apple could do in my opinion that would be heralded as "revolutionary", at least not in the foreseeable future. Eventually though I know Apple will prove me wrong. ;) :D
  7. kasakka macrumors 68020

    Oct 25, 2008
    The Touchsmart is a nice concept but it doesn't work well in real use. I tried it at a store for some time and at the end of my short session my arms were tired. It also would require an operating system (Win7 possibly?) that has been specifically augmented with features suitable for touchscreen use. Hitting the Vista start button in the bottom corner was awkward, partially due to the fact that unlike for example the iPhone, the screen on the Touchsmart is recessed so your fingers keep hitting the corners. Any touchscreen computer should have the bezel and screen at the same level for comfortable use.

    Like it or not, BluRay is the future of optical media. I don't own a BluRay drive yet but do like movies in 1080p resolution so it would be nice if Apple started implementing those. Probably just not widespread enough yet for them though. Maybe the next iteration (with Core i7 hardware etc) of Macs will have 'em.

    Even though imitators, possibly with better specs are slowly coming on the market, I still think the iMac is a relevant and above all good looking product. They just need to upgrade the specs a bit and put a nicer panel in the 20" model.
  8. Hellhammer Moderator


    Staff Member

    Dec 10, 2008
    Touchsmart isn't so great. Touching it with fatty fingers and so on the screen will be dirty and doesn't take touch very well. And touchsmart costs more than iMac and it's specs are bad.

    Apples thing is OS X, other computers can't use is leagelly.
  9. chainprayer macrumors 6502a

    Feb 10, 2008
  10. ditzy macrumors 68000


    Sep 28, 2007
    The iMac is still relevant. I don't believe though I could be very wrong, that any other all in one has as powerful processor or as powerful graphics as the iMac offers.
    Not to mention that when new all in ones come out they always seem to refer to them as iMac killers.
    When they refer to them as HP Touchsmart killers or something similar then you'll know that they are no longer relevant.
  11. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Jul 16, 2002
    Excellent point. We all know who they are still chasing. These guys may be getting closer but they are still in Apple's rearview mirror, not the other way around.
  12. ditzy macrumors 68000


    Sep 28, 2007
    Just did some more research as I should have done before posting, especially as I haven't checked out the other all in ones in about four months.
    Sony do have a better processor in their high end model. It is however significantly more expensive than the iMac, and the graphics still aren't as good.
  13. macaronie macrumors member


    Jan 10, 2009
  14. IgnatiusTheKing macrumors 68040


    Nov 17, 2007
    das Fort
    There is a reason the specs for a year-old (consumer-level) iMac are lower than the brand new (professional-level) MacBook Pro. I don't think I have to spell it out for you.

    As for touchscreen, it's fantastic on the iPhone and iPod touch, but it's still a gimmick when it comes to a larger machine, especially one with a 24"+ screen. Why would I want to drag my finger two feet across a screen when I can drag my mouse 4 inches?

    And as for Blu-Ray, it would be nice (I guess) but it's probably not a great investment for Apple. That technology is not likely to have the staying power DVD has had.
  15. nick9191 macrumors 68040

    Feb 17, 2008
    Touch screen in its current form is useless other than for public kiosks and some other circumstances. It's a gimmick. It would be nice as a BTO option for the people that do need it (and the idiots that want to be fashionable).

    The iMac is the fastest, the iMac has the best GPU, the iMac looks the best.

    I'd also love to know why you think putting in a blu ray drive is an innovation. I can put off the shelf components into a computer as well. The word has been totally raped of its real meaning.
  16. Courtaj macrumors 6502a


    Jul 3, 2008
    Edinburgh, U.K.
    Hey man, I love minidisc!
  17. dukebound85 macrumors P6


    Jul 17, 2005
    5045 feet above sea level
    if apple would enable bluray viewing support in the os for use with even an external drive, they should

    i mean heck, when i go into bb or blockbuster, it seems half the store is filled with bluray these days. and my computer cant even play them!
  18. Fomaphone macrumors regular

    Jan 11, 2009
    i don't think that blu ray is a bad investment for apple, although i'm not convinced that right now is the best time to start offering drives standard.

    part of the hold that DVD has on the market is linked to the fact that most people who have a current computer have a dvd burning drive... we consume the discs in the form of commercial dvd's as well as -/+R's and RW's, games are written on DVD discs, etc... at this stage, blu ray support mostly makes sense for customers like me who would like to deliver content on blu-ray or need to back-up old project files without tying up TB's of hard drive space.

    the problem as i see it is that encoding HD video on an iMac and then burning it in a playable format (on a blu-ray player) is a process that would currently take 24 hours or more for a couple hours of content, and most consumers of this type of computer are more likely to focus on the inconvenience rather than the benefit, especially if these monitors don't support b-r video.

    BTO blu ray drives just for playback (and compliant hardware to go with them) are a great idea for apple in my opinion.

    when there are more powerful computers at this level and when blu ray can be more cheaply manufactured (at higher volume) then i think that it's going to gain a lot more traction than it currently has.
  19. Jethryn Freyman macrumors 68020

    Jethryn Freyman

    Aug 9, 2007
  20. zombie1210 macrumors regular


    Nov 9, 2008
    Ask the fortune teller.
  21. Tallest Skil macrumors P6

    Tallest Skil

    Aug 13, 2006
    1 Geostationary Tower Plaza
    Oh come on, now. Play nice with me. What I've said makes sense.
  22. IgnatiusTheKing macrumors 68040


    Nov 17, 2007
    das Fort
    While that is somewhat true, DVD killed VHS way before DVD-R drives became standard fare on consumer-level computers.

    The reason I believe Blu-Ray will never be that big is because streaming is the big thing. I would say the "next big thing" but it's already here. Blu-Ray may end up being the storage device of the future, but as a medium for watching movies and playing games, it is probably no better than an intermediary.

    As soon as the general population is as comfortable buying movies electronically as they are buying music that way, Blu-Ray is in big trouble. And if the studios ever get their way and have you stream your movies and pay for them every time you watch (or have some sort of auto-renewing account ala Netflix), the idea of owning a box with an optical drive for viewing entertainment will be out the window.

    Apple thinks they are ahead of the game with Apple TV (and they probably are), so I don't think we'll ever see Blu-Ray on the iMac. IMO.
  23. zombie1210 macrumors regular


    Nov 9, 2008
    What makes you think I was talking about you?
  24. robotartfashion macrumors 6502

    Jan 1, 2009
    Phoenix, AZ
    are you referring to IMacs only? Because I have a 8 core mac pro amongst my stable of macs and even though it has a high price try finding a windows pc that can do what it can

    besides, alienware has been sucking it lately, from the people I know that use those,

    mac will always have the innovation of stability, and I say that after being stuck in pc hell until the last 5 years
  25. Yamcha macrumors 68000

    Mar 6, 2008
    Why do people even bring up brand names when it comes to PC's? Plain and simple all companies rip you off.. People who want PC's should learn to build there own or get custom built ones, they are faster, cheaper, and better :p..

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