This is so misleading, LOL. Coming from someone who likes Apple where their computers have to DOWNTHROTTLE because the airflow is absolute garbage... that's rich.
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This is so misleading, LOL. Coming from someone who likes Apple where their computers have to DOWNTHROTTLE because the airflow is absolute garbage... that's rich.
I am hoping that you are wrong/not right about the Thunderbolt 3 controllers, given that the Xeon W has 48 PCI 3.0 lanes available and the C6xx chipset has 20 PCIe lanes. If I do simple math, here is the breakdown for a 4 Thunderbolt 3 controller iMac Pro -
- Vega GPU; x16
- PCIe nVME slots; x4 x 2 = x8
- 4x Intel JHL 6340 Thunderbolt 3 controller; x4 x 4 = x16
Those items come up to x40 lanes of PCIe 3.0, which leaves 8. My guess is that the 10Gb Ethernet is using the C6xx chipsets PCIe lanes and that Apple may be using the C622 chipset for it's x8 PCIe dedicated uplink, although Intel's documentation says the C6xx can go all the way up to x16 if you use a multiplexer. I am still confused about this function as Intel's documentation also says there is a dedicated DMI x4 interface to the CPU. Also, I am speculating that the SDXC UHS-II slot is using the chipset and needs x2 PCIe 3.0 lanes max. Bluetooth and Wi-Fi need lanes and the dedicated A10x might use x2-x4 PCIe lanes.
I agree 100% that an iFixit teardown is going to be essential to find out if the CPU is socketed LGA 2066 and thus upgradable, if there are actual slots for the nVME storage and if there are proper 288-pin DDR-4 DIMM modules. I wish the GPU was not socketed, but in reality, the market for an MXM GPU upgrade is a fraction of the market for this computer and is not worth it to pursue. I am also hoping that the actual RAM limit ends up at 256GB or 512GB as Apple has always tended to publish minimum values (the Xeon-W can address 512GB).
Fingers crossed.
I don't know what is going on between the US and the UK HP stores but the prices are not coming out anywhere near that from where I'm standing. And the sales rep I've been talking to has offered me a further discount...
[doublepost=1513186023][/doublepost]Like I keep saying - for UK customers the iMac pro is not $5000, it's $6671.
And no - this is not a case of everything being more expensive here; it's just Apple.
Now, given that, think again about how much value for money you'd be getting out of your $6671.
Read my comment again. I said the 4 extra cores are a notable difference. I called other differences minor, but not that one. After some additional research, it seems the graphics card in the Pro might be significantly more powerful as well.
Your the wrong audience. Individuals and companies who purchase the iMac Pro will undoubtedly make significantly more revenue than the cost of the hardware if gainfully employed. Apple produced the iMac Pro for many reasons, the average user not being one.
Although I'm not a fan of desktop all in one's the iMac Pro is certainly a step in the right direction for Apple, I just hope Apple applies the same methodology to it's notebooks, offering at least one high performance system that's usability is not butchered for the sake of being pointlessly thinner and the fashion conscious.
As for the price check out a fully loaded 17" Dell Precision 7720 portable workstation - $13K for a notebook...
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Those Apples are still working...Take apart a dell and tell me that any of them are made with quality parts.There was a time when people could bring their toasters and irons to the repair shop, and car enthusiasts could swap out carburetors, cams and transmissions. That era died as toaster, irons, cars and now computers have become expendable and recycled.
There's little reason now to swap ram, hard-drives and graphics cards. This industry has matured to the point where software and hardware mature at a complementary rate.
I've been around the block a few times. My first "customized" computer was in 1985 and I started coding in 1973.
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Not true. Dell servers and business notebooks of the mid to late 90's were superb. The notebooks had excellent build quality that rivaled and even bettered IBM's stuff. Apple then was still struggling to get market share and had mediocre build quality.
But to each his own..
A couple of points:
1. You are also covered for far longer than the measly 1 year Apple warranty; this is part of the price differential and, hence, you are not buying "the same thing." In general, the EU has a much tighter regulatory schema, and this is an underrated element in pricing which you should take up with Parliament, not Apple (assuming the completion of Brexit).
2. Since you've already made clear that you're not buying one, the interest level in your review request is appropriately zero.
The UK price = USA price (since Apple bases everything on USA pricing) + conversion + UK tax + import tax + regulation-imposed tax + surcharge for longer legal warranty + surcharge for Uk security payments etc. If HP wants to sell their products with different margins in different countries, its their prerogative. You as user only benefit from this. Apple doesn't do it. Ans sure, in UK everything is more expensive, because the laws are different. BTW, you are also ignoring that USA customers are actually obliged to pay sales tax on top of the base $5000 price.
All that of course doesn't change the fact that you made a great bargain with the Z6 and I hope that is serves your purpose well.
My circa 1998 Dell notebook is still working. It boots to NT4.1. It's obviously not used anymore but I keep it as a memory piece. Also have a Micron notebook, same vintage, still works. Both were well made. I have IBM PC with 5.25 floppies that could still boot if the boot disk is still good.
For those wanting the dark keyboard, I would recommend the Logitech Craft. Wireless, backlight and customizable. The keyboard which comes with the iMac is an embarrassing piece of trash anyway.
LOL, i just tried with all the awkwardness of iOS to embed a pic of the keyboard into this message. It failed miserably. At the same time on my Mac FCPX just got stuck exporting a Project Master File at 77%, runnning High Sierra.
Gotta love Apple and its software quality these days. With all the streamlining and cutting down on developing professional stuff for the niche clientele, pretty much concentrating on soccer moms, the quality is just not the same anymore.
LOL, i just tried with all the awkwardness of iOS to embed a pic of the keyboard into this message. It failed miserably. At the same time on my Mac FCPX just got stuck exporting a Project Master File at 77%, runnning High Sierra.
Gotta love Apple and its software quality these days. With all the streamlining and cutting down on developing professional stuff for the niche clientele, pretty much concentrating on soccer moms, the quality is just not the same anymore.
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True, but ya know, after a decade a new machine purchase makes sense, unless legacy access is required.
Then folks will have to look to eBay for used parts or other machines of the same type to cannibalize for parts.
Does anyone know if the GPUs have ECC memory? I know they are calling them “Pro Vega,” but if they lack ECC memory then they aren’t exactly pro like the WX series.
Apple and quality? You can drop by my house any time and I can show you some dead Apple computers and iPhones that are beyond repair.
For the iMac's (two of them) of an average lifespan of 4 years after which the screen gets shadows and miscoloring and the GPU being pulled from the graphics card with the replacement price that makes it cheaper to buy a new, not to mention the fans/cooling going crazy with age. Just to mention a couple of flaws...
And 6 iPhones with dead batteries, broken home and lock button, and screen miscolor.
I once also thought that apple was quality... Now I know that that is not the case...
I have a 2002 15" Powerbook G4 that still runs well on a daily basis, if that's a thing...
Y'all are making me sad I'm not going to be going through my approximately bi-annual eBay culling of Apple gear.
Gonna be weird just flipping the occasional GPU every now and then now I'm fully modular....
[doublepost=1513257047][/doublepost]Seriously though, and no hag here - just curious, why hold onto something that is becoming less and less useful by the day until it's impossible to sell? If I allowed my machines to fully depreciate I'd be so mad at myself that I now have to come up with the entire cost of a brand new machine.
Each to his own. I just don't get why some folk get so attached to a particular piece of hardware even beyond the point of usefulness.
Gonna be weird just flipping the occasional GPU every now and then now I'm fully modular....
[doublepost=1513257047][/doublepost]Seriously though, and no hag here - just curious, why hold onto something that is becoming less and less useful by the day until it's impossible to sell? If I allowed my machines to fully depreciate I'd be so mad at myself that I now have to come up with the entire cost of a brand new machine.
Each to his own. I just don't get why some folk get so attached to a particular piece of hardware even beyond the point of usefulness.
I still don't get who this is for. You're stuck with the monitor... you're stuck with the hardware... if even a single thing fails you are SOL. It's supposed to have a short life cycle because no upgrade-ability... but then why would they put Xeons in it??? This whole thing makes absolutely no sense.
Is this thing actually marketed towards pros? Or are they trying to get people who believe it will make Safari snappier to buy it?
Is this thing actually marketed towards pros? Or are they trying to get people who believe it will make Safari snappier to buy it?
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There's the rub - if you think the iMac Pro is right for you, you don't need an iMac Pro .
The iMac Pro is actually pandering to the most average of users - those who are not very demanding and computer savvy , and thus easily seduced by numbers and marketing talk .
Your sarcasm would be hilarious if you could actually get that RAM cheaper anywhere else. But sure, carry on with your reality distortion field. I mean, it’s Apple, their RAM upgrades must be a rip off by definition.
Btw, with HP Z6 it costs $1400 to upgrade from 8GB to 64GB. And they charge you for an extra memory cooler on top of that. But sure, Apple is such a rip off.