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It's also an example of a £12k throw away computer as soon an something goes wrong. Umgradable and repairable go hand in hand
iMac Pro's RAM Can Only Be Upgraded by Apple or Authorized Service Provider
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It's also an example of a £12k throw away computer as soon an something goes wrong. Umgradable and repairable go hand in hand
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Count Blah
macrumors 68040
If you are in a business that has $10000 machines, you likely have someone who can tinker with them when needed.
This isn't a $300 walmart computer you throw away, when it starts acting up.
But keep on equating the two
scoobs69
macrumors 6502
Right. Because there is NOTHING in between a $10,000 machine and a $300 walmart special.
Count Blah
macrumors 68040
Yup, going with the base iMac Pro specs I get approx $3,800 for the Dell 5820 WITH NO 5K MONITOR. upgrading to 64GB ram is $805, Apple charges $800.
Count Blah
macrumors 68040
There is plenty. What's your point? The OP was equating the same treatment for the two. Show me where the OP didn't.Right. Because there is NOTHING in between a $10,000 machine and a $300 walmart special.
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The aggressive Mac defenders will never acknowledge this simple fact of life.
thealkimist
macrumors regular
Not to necessarily support Apple, but my guess would be that they determined the trade offs between how long a person might use a pro desktop Mac for the duration of its real world use (based on some stat model) and it may possibly come close enough to the cost of a machine that would otherwise be modular. Apple has always veered towards statically designed machines, and this may be just a strong desire to see if both ideas can be idealized in one machine.
PickUrPoison
macrumors G3
Isn’t it because you have laws which require a 2 year warranty? Or is it 6 years?
In the US the warranty is only one year
menithings
macrumors regular
Great news about the upgradable RAM. I'll just get my iMac Pro with 32 GB and upgrade to the maximum using cheaper RAM bought online or at my re-seller. The service fee should be nominal, so I should save a nice chunk of change.
FYI the reason for the sealed enclosure is to allow higher thermal tolerance for those insane XEON processors. No RAM door means much better control of airflow. So better cooling while preserving RAM upgradability and the thin design. Best of all worlds.
I just spec'd out my top of the line iMac Pro (with user bought RAM) and it's cheaper than a roughly equivalent PC. Quite excited to get mine!
FYI the reason for the sealed enclosure is to allow higher thermal tolerance for those insane XEON processors. No RAM door means much better control of airflow. So better cooling while preserving RAM upgradability and the thin design. Best of all worlds.
I just spec'd out my top of the line iMac Pro (with user bought RAM) and it's cheaper than a roughly equivalent PC. Quite excited to get mine!
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deanthedev
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If you’re in a business that has $10K machines then it’s a fraction of what you’re paying the employee who uses that machine. If they’re only 10% more productive with that $10K machine than you could throw them in the garbage every two years and still come out ahead financially.
The real problem is people equating normal consumers or PC builders/modders with businesses or professionals. The financials of how they justify and purchase hardware is completely different.
PickUrPoison
macrumors G3
Don’t forget the Apple Watch and AirPods. These were also supposed to be disasters as well.
Apple is going to sell plenty of these. They sell about 15 million desktops a year (mini, iMac and Mac Pro). I could easily see 7% of that market going with iMac Pro; that’s there’s a million right there.
antonis
macrumors 68020
I guess you missed the Mac Pro 2013 fiasco and apple’s apology about it.
asdavis10
macrumors 6502
I'd say anyone who will make back the cost of the machine within a couple months. Mac Pro owners who don't upgrade internal hardware. Or someone with disposable income who wants it for whatever reason (color, performance, prestige, etc).
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Didn't say it was. But my company services Macs in many businesses. And many of our customers are in the creative business. Pro users who aren't that tech savvy. Graphic designers, web developers, etc, but they don't open up their machines. They get us to do that. I also have home users who own Mac Pros for no other reason than they wanted the best Mac and money isn't a barrier to purchase. I think Apple knows this as well. This isn't the pro Mac for the users you describe. That will come later with the modular Mac Pro.
OldSchoolMacGuy
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Exactly. The people who want to be able to modify the unit over time are generally the prosumers, individual pros or small shops who often use these machine for 5+ years. And I'm sure the iMac Pro will be bought by some of them. But this machine is clearly positioned for the larger shops who have IT departments or at least dedicated outsource shops who purchase a machine configured in a specific way for a specific purpose, use it for 2-3 years and then replace it with a new unit once it's been depreciated.
The modular Mac Pro coming later should make the other crowd happy. I'm guessing it will be smaller than the old silver tower form factor since it won't have spinning disks of any kind. But it'll be in a shape friendly to cards and other tinkering. Personally I think the reason we haven't seen it yet is that Apple is waiting for something. Best guess is PCIe 4.0 which is only now beginning to see the light of day in the enterprise server world. I don't think Apple wants to redesign the backbone of this machine for a while. The iMac Pro can make do with PCIe 3.x.
If I'm Apple, I'd be looking to introduce it by WWDC since that is the target crowd.
menithings
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PickUrPoison
macrumors G3
Apple isn’t perfect and they admitted that the Mac Pro didn’t satisfy as many potential users as they thought it would. They basically misread the technology roadmap, believing that a dual GPU solution was the preferred path. But the architecture of the 2013 locked them into that configuration. From the April interview:
Craig Federighi: I think initially, certainly from a market reception point of view, the current Mac Pro design was well received. It wasn’t that sales fell off at all. But the architecture, over time, proved to be less flexible to take us where we wanted to go to address that audience. In hindsight, we would’ve done that differently. Now we are.
Apple also said in that interview that they had been talking to a lot of different pros, and that they were basically going to re-architect a completely new solution. I hope they get it right!
Part of their research showed them that people were already moving to higher end iMacs for workloads that used to have to be done on Mac Pro. So the iMac Pro is a higher end solution for users who many times are already using an iMac (or MBP), and wish it were faster.
Those who need a modular server/desktop will be looking to the upcoming Mac Pro to better suit their needs.
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scoobs69
macrumors 6502
No one is saying this computer isn't worth it's price. With the components Apple threw in this beast, it's certainly worth $5,000.
The people who are complaining about this computer are those who want 8-cores or more, but don't need xeon processors. Nor do they want to pay $800 for 32GB of ram. We're not scientists, nor cyber security experts. Creative content users have apps that can take advantage of more than 4 cores efficiently, as well as GPU acceleration. Apple is doing nothing for these users. You either pay $3,000+ for a 27" 4 core iMac or $5,000+ for an 8 core iMac Pro. And those prices are worse if you don't need a display.
If money were no object for small business, I'd consider an iMac Pro. Then I'd remember if a ram stick goes tets-up, you now have to lug your computer to an Apple Store to get it serviced....or box it up and send it away. That's just lustfully greedy arrogance on Apple's part. At least with a laptop, you can fold it up, throw it in a backpack, and carry it in the store with no issues. With a 27" iMac, it's not so easy.
I've lost an immense amount of love for Apple since the 2013 Mac Pro. And each successive product release, their closed system gets worse, while their prices continue to go up. They were charging $5,000 for the 2013 8-core Mac Pro in April of 2017. But yeah, the disappointed disenfranchised users are WAAAAAAA. That's what it is.
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ActionableMango
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In the Mac Pro forum there were (and continue to be) hoards of people leaving for PC because of the 2013 Mac Pro. These people leaving for PC (including myself) are Apple fans, not Apple haters. Discontent was massive and widespread. Right from the announcement people were pointing out all of the very real problems with it.
I can't even count the number of times I was told the MR community didn't represent the Pro community. But you know what? We were right. Apple even had a mea culpa press conference about it. The 2013 Mac Pro was supposed to be the model forward for the next decade and instead it will never get an update.
I have no idea what's going to happen to the iMac Pro, but I do assure you that you are wrong about Apple's perfection. Their track record does have a recent black mark.
