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I for one am happy that they at least rolled it out little by little otherwise we'd still be waiting! And how ridiculous would that be!?!?

If you got in early, you got it early. Yes, we have to wait, I waited about 1 month, but ***** happens and you deal with it.

As for the new iMac being impractical being sprouted around these parts -- it might be for some, but not for me. Loving the fusion Drive + USB speeds + much better less reflective display + super easy to insert ram slots + whisper quiet running that is cool to touch + lighter and thinner + better for the environment... I could go on. It's Rev A for sure, but they've done a great job.

Yes there seems to be a few problems with yellow tint and IR, but that is not the sole domain of this iteration of the iMac.

On the whole I think Apple have done a stonking job on this piece of kit and can't wait to see the redesigned ipad 5 later this year.
 
This info surprises me. In my mind iMacs were always the more solid Macs, save for their optical drives. So far I know 2 people with 2011 iMacs and they work as new (yes-yes, the sample is miserable).

Oh, believe me, I don't doubt that there are plenty of these machines that are chugging along just fine. Still though, when one considers the internal design, it's baffling that such a design ever made it to production, let alone alongside some of Apple's most solid engineering work (in the Mac department) like the non-retina MacBook Pro design. Ironically, iMac optical drives fail less frequently than MacBook Pro optical drives; but that's because the former drives were allowed to be thicker than the latter ones and thusly could be more reliable. Still though, they're all pretty crappy. Really, the Macs that tends to fail the least are the Mac mini, especially the newer ones, and the Mac Pro. The unibody MacBook Pros are solid as well, barring Mid 2010 15" ones and some Late 2008/Early/Mid 2009 ones. Though really, that's more NVIDIA's fault than Apple (as those were all GPU/IGP issues), and that has nothing to do with the overall body design of the machine itself.

That still doesn't say much. You work at 1 service center. There are many all over the country. Also, of course you will see more 2009-2011 iMacs. There are probably more of those in circulation than any other models.

Actually, I've worked at four service centers. And at each of them, guess which computer had the most issues? 2009-2011 iMacs. Hell, I even interned at a fifth for a couple weeks. Out of ten repairs done at that fifth, eight were iMacs.

Ask any Apple Certified Macintosh Technician working at any Apple Authorized Service Provider which machine they see in for (non-accidental damage) repair, I guarantee you all of them will say "iMac". Ask them how many parts fail often in the 2009-2011 iMacs and they will list you all of the parts that I did.

The logic board fails regularly. The power supply fails regularly. A lot of times they each cause the other one to fail. The optical drive fails regularly, and there are recalls for hard drives that fail in these machines (though given need for modified firmware that utilizes the drive's own temperature sensor, that's not all that surprising). Again, the only main part that techs don't see failing regularly in those machines is the video card; but at that point, it's still contributing to the overall thermal inefficiency of that machine.

Just because you've sold a few of those machines and people have been fine with them doesn't mean that these problems don't regularly occur in those machines. It just means that you got lucky and those machines ended up either not having those problems or not having them severely enough for you or them to notice or care. Look up how a computer works, read those service manuals; read some Apple tech bulletins, and ask actual technicians about these things and you'll find that way more of them fail than you ever thought could, and you'll see why it's such a foolishly designed computer.

Unless you have actual stats of how many are sold and how many fail, your assertions are pretty much useless.

umadbro? Am I insulting your favorite Apple product? I don't need to defend my assertions to you. I work around way more of these machines than any reasonable human being would ever want to and I know what I'm talking about.

I see your point about the impractical design.
The previously mentioned 27" iMac would get very hot, almost hot enough to burn yourself around the edges.
So hot that we looked for an app to regulate the fan better though once we did the machine ran much cooler though the fan was slightly louder.
I wonder if the redesign is an improvement or step backwards as far as the heat issue is concerned.
What is your opinion of the 21" Yebubbleman?

From what I've seen, the Late 2012 21.5" iMac is actually an improvement from the Mid 2011 and earlier models in terms of heating and overall reliability. The sad thing is that they've obviously swapped out desktop components (such as a desktop chipset and a 3.5" Hard drive) with laptop ones (a laptop chipset and a 2.5" Hard drive), and they've even swapped MXM video boards with the same type of on-board graphics that you'd find on 15" MacBook Pros. Not that those graphics are anything to shake a stick at, but it's obvious that Apple is going for thermal efficiency, which is still something that needn't be such a concern in a desktop. Though, this desktop is emaciated, so it kind of requires that concern, which is dumb. But given all of that, it looks like it'll be a substantially more reliable machine, and for that I feel like I can now recommend it to friends and family wanting to buy a Mac desktop, where I previously would tell them to avoid all iMacs like the plague. I think between the still-hot components and the difficulty in laminating the larger screen, I'm not as confident on the 27" machines, but hey, one out of two is better than what we had before.
 
umadbro? Am I insulting your favorite Apple product? I don't need to defend my assertions to you. I work around way more of these machines than any reasonable human being would ever want to and I know what I'm talking about.
Of course you don't need to defend your assertions. All I'm saying is that even with your experience, you still don't have a complete picture. If you can answer these questions, then I will listen to you. Until then, you still don't know what you are talking about.

Actual amount of 2009-2011 iMacs sold worldwide.
Amount of iMacs logged for service worldwide.
How many had sensor failures
How many had hard drive failures
How many had optical drive failures
How many had power supply failures
How many had screen yellowing
How many had power button failures
How many had logic board failures

Total percentage of serviced iMacs vs how many sold worldwide.
 
Though, this desktop is emaciated, so it kind of requires that concern, which is dumb. But given all of that, it looks like it'll be a substantially more reliable machine, and for that I feel like I can now recommend it to friends and family wanting to buy a Mac desktop, where I previously would tell them to avoid all iMacs like the plague. I think between the still-hot components and the difficulty in laminating the larger screen, I'm not as confident on the 27" machines, but hey, one out of two is better than what we had before.

You have quite the chip on your shoulder regarding the reliability of iMacs because all you see are broken ones. I've owned several and never really had a problem with any of the other than an initial defect on one (bad screen) which was replaced.

It's similar to talking to the wrench turner who works on Hondas. He'll tell you what piles of crap they are, even when impartial statistical data tells a different story.

To put it another way.... if iMacs were as terribly unreliable as you indicate it is hard to believe that Apple would continue to sell more and more of them quarter upon quarter.
 
"Again, the only main part that techs don't see failing regularly in those machines is the video card; but at that point, it's still contributing to the overall thermal inefficiency of that machine."

Speaking of "thermal inefficiency" of the iMac -- that is, too much heat and not enough heat removal -- do you see any correlation between the "smoky displays" (dark and cloudy areas on the display, often in the upper-right-hand corner) and the heat being generated inside?

When users first started reporting this, that's what I thought first...
 
SMC fan control is the app in case anyone is wondering.
I think it's free and keeps your machine cool.
Don't let it get too hot, protect what you paid for.
 
You have quite the chip on your shoulder regarding the reliability of iMacs because all you see are broken ones. I've owned several and never really had a problem with any of the other than an initial defect on one (bad screen) which was replaced.

It's similar to talking to the wrench turner who works on Hondas. He'll tell you what piles of crap they are, even when impartial statistical data tells a different story.

To put it another way.... if iMacs were as terribly unreliable as you indicate it is hard to believe that Apple would continue to sell more and more of them quarter upon quarter.

Actually my Honda mechanic loves Hondas and thinks that they are the most reliable car out there. Similarly, I love working on Macs and I thusly feel as though they are far more reliable than most of the junk coming out of Dell and HP these days. I have done numerous repairs on numerous MacBook Pros and I do not feel that they exhibit the same degree of poor reliability nor do I feel as though they are poorly designed. Just as my Honda mechanic doesn't knock all Accords, just the ones with automatic transmissions from 1998-2002 because those had automatic transmissions that WERE PRONE TO FAILURE. That said, you see tons upon tons of people on the streets driving 1998-2002 Accords with automatic transmissions and they love their Accords. That's not to say that there are iMacs that don't have problems. I'd imagine that there are tons. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't have parts that will fail and a design that doesn't encourage that kind of failure, because it does. Ignoring that is simply blind fanboyism.

Of course you don't need to defend your assertions. All I'm saying is that even with your experience, you still don't have a complete picture. If you can answer these questions, then I will listen to you. Until then, you still don't know what you are talking about.

Actual amount of 2009-2011 iMacs sold worldwide.
Amount of iMacs logged for service worldwide.
How many had sensor failures
How many had hard drive failures
How many had optical drive failures
How many had power supply failures
How many had screen yellowing
How many had power button failures
How many had logic board failures

Total percentage of serviced iMacs vs how many sold worldwide.

I kind of don't care whether you listen to me or not. Nor do I really care whether you place any stock in what I have to say on this matter or not. How many iMacs fail versus how many are sold is a figure I don't have, a figure you also don't have and frankly, it's more or less irrelevant. The point I'm attempting to make is that the design of the machine makes those failures substantially more likely than the failures of parts in other Macs. This is, again evidenced by how many iMacs I see come in versus other Macs. The fact that there are a decent amount of iMacs that have not had failures doesn't at all negate the fact that, by design, these failures are extremely likely.

My non-retina 2008-2012 style unibody MacBook Pro will be substantially less likely to have a logic board failure, a power supply failure, a hard drive failure, a display failure, a sensor failure than an iMac from the 2009-2011 design. To be fair, it is more likely to have an optical drive failure than said generation of iMac due to the size disparity between optical drives, but both drives are still prone to failure. Take a good close look at the design of those iMacs both INSIDE as well as outside; take the time to note just how much heat is generated in such a tight space. Unless you know very little about computers, the flaw in this design should be apparent.

Again, how many have failed versus how many have been sold is irrelevant. The flaws in the design makes these problems likely. Geographical data, sales data, and frequency of occurrences of the problems are irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that, by design, they are likely to happen.
 
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You call that a rant? Weaksauce! Let me help...


I'm going to skip the usual preaching, moralizing, and pontificating and go straight to the facts. One of my objectives for this rant is to counteract the subtle but pervasive social message that says that communism and charlatanism are identical concepts. Believe me, I certainly don't want to give Apple a chance to mollycoddle unprincipled pamphleteers. I condemn Apple's gross and systematic violations of human rights. I'm not just talking about the arbitrary detentions, enforced disappearances, torture, and summary executions but also about my previous observation that whenever Apple claims that it answers to no one, I can't help but think that it has just subtracted from the sum of human knowledge. Regular readers of my letters probably take that for granted, but if I am to preserve the peace, I must explain to the population at large that in this world, there are niddering, morbid scroungers. There are dangerous gomerals. There are rats who walk like men. And then there is Apple. Of those, I insist that Apple is the most malign because its janissaries can read some crock of bumptious drivel it once wrote and believe that they've read something really profound. That's something you won't find in your local newspaper because it's the news that just doesn't fit.

I feel that Apple has insulted everyone with even the slightest moral commitment. It obviously has none or it wouldn't consign our traditional values to the rubbish heap of Marxism. What I'm saying is this: I have a plan to seek liberty, equality, and fraternity. I call this plan "Operation establish clear, justifiable definitions of vandalism and factionalism so that one can defend a decision to take action when Apple's servitors foment a radical realignment of industrialized economies". (Granted, I need a shorter, catchier name, but that one will do for now.) My plan's underlying motif is that nothing appears more plausible at first sight, nor more ill-founded and ludibrious upon closer inspection, than Apple's values. Of course, this sounds simple, but in reality, the real issue is simple: Human life is full of artificiality, perversion, and misery, much of which is caused by ornery mountebanks.

In any decent society, Apple would be just another grotty, doctrinaire gutter-dweller standing on a streetcorner braying its nonsensical diatribes from atop a soapbox. Nevertheless, it has managed to gain some credibility among the most coldhearted stuffed shirts I've ever seen because they relate to her message that a plausible excuse is a satisfactory substitute for performance. "Apple" has now become part of my vocabulary. Whenever I see someone publishing blatantly inarticulate rhetoric as "education" for children to learn in school, I tell him or her to stop "Apple-ing". No matter how much talk and analysis occurs, this is not a question of fetishism or isolationism. Rather, it is a question about how there's only one true drama queen around here, and Apple is the one wearing the crown.

Here's an extraordinary paradox: All of the fatuitous clods who shouldn't be allowed to manipulate everything and everybody invariably want to. This raises the question: Why aren't our children being warned about Apple in school? Well, we all know the answer to that question, don't we? In case you don't, you should note that it's easy for armchair philosophers to theorize about Apple and about hypothetical solutions to our Apple problem. It's an entirely more difficult matter, however, when one considers that it is the type of organization that turns up its nose at people like you and me. I guess that's because we haven't the faintest notion about the things that really matter such as why it would be good for Apple to bar people from partaking in activities that cannot be monitored and controlled.

It amazes me how successful Apple has been at representing Heaven as Hell and, conversely, the most wretched life as paradise. History will look back on that unfortunate success with profound regret and wonder why the people of our time didn't do more to encourage our spirits to soar while remaining true to those beliefs, ideals, and aspirations we hold most dear. Perhaps our answer should be that I doubtlessly want to step up to the plate and ensure that we survive and emerge triumphant out of the coming chaos and destruction, but I can't do that alone. So do me a favor and provide a positive, confident, and assertive vision of humanity's future and our role in it. That'll show Apple that we need to look beyond the most immediate and visible problems with it. We need to look at what is behind these problems and understand that news about its plans to install a puppet government that pledges allegiance to its impulsive club occasionally puffs up like auguries of a new Pope through the Vatican chimney. Am I aware of how Apple will react when it reads that last sentence? Yes. Do I care? No, because if history follows its course, it should be evident that I overheard one of its spokesmen say, "Apple can absorb mana by devouring its rivals' brains." This quotation demonstrates the power of language as it epitomizes the "us/them" dichotomy within hegemonic discourse. As for me, I prefer to use language to honor our nation's glorious mosaic of cultures and ethnicities.

Apple pretends to have the solution for everything. In reality, it creates more problems for the rest of us to solve. Consider, for example, how I defy the silly buffoons who justify, palliate, or excuse the evils of Apple's heart, and I defy the powers of darkness that they represent. Believe it or not, Apple has come extremely close to burning books. True story. Anyhow, Apple seems to have recently added the word "intercrystallization" to its otherwise simplistic vocabulary. I suppose it intends to use big words like that to obscure the fact that I, not being one of the many gutless guttersnipes of this world, strive to be consistent in my arguments. I can't say that I'm 100% true to this, but Apple's frequent vacillating leads me to believe that it's neither morally nor intellectually consistent. If it were, it wouldn't first cheat on taxes then afterwards decry my observation that it accuses me of being condescending whenever I state that unlike it, I, for one, don't turn a blind eye to atrocities around the world. All right, I'll admit that I have a sharp tongue and sometimes write with a bit of a poison pen, but the fact remains that Apple believes with sincere conviction that its malisons are Holy Writ. Providing a cornucopia of evidence to the contrary won't faze it; it's immune to any sort of reality check. That's why Apple wants to discourage us from expressing our jobations in whatever way we damn well please. Alas, that's a mere ripple on the brutal ocean of Pyrrhonism in which Apple will drown any attempt to bring meaning, direction, and purpose into our lives.

All of Apple's jibes are paralogistic, but I won't linger on that. Apple refers to a variety of things using the word "anthropomorphization". Translating this bit of jargon into English isn't easy. Basically, it's saying that the health effects of secondhand smoke are negligible, which we all know is patently absurd. At any rate, it is squarely in favor of hucksterism and its propensity to create a regime of mean-spirited Lysenkoism. This is so typical of Apple: it condemns bigotry and injustice except when it benefits it personally. When it comes to Apple's remonstrations, I undoubtedly suspect that we have drifted along for too long in a state of blissful denial and outright complacency. It's time to reach the broadest possible audience with the message that its perfidious disquisitions create alleged excuses for all forms of wrongdoing. The sooner we do that the better because Apple has found a way to avoid compliance with government regulations, circumvent any further litigation, and blend together extremism and fainéantism in a train wreck of monumental proportions—all by trumping up a phony emergency.

Apple is a psychologically defective organization. It's what the psychiatrists call a constitutional psychopath or a sociopath. Like I said, Apple claims to have donated a lot of money to charity over the past few years. I suspect that the nullibicity of those donations would become apparent if one were to audit Apple's books—unless, of course, "charity" includes Apple-run organizations that lead to the destruction of the human race. In that case, I'd say that you, of course, now need some hard evidence that Apple never seems to listen to anyone else's positions and reasoning. Well, how about this for evidence: It is the picture of the insane person on the street, babbling to a tree, a wall, or a cloud, which cannot and does not respond to its sottises. Some will say I exaggerate, but actually I'm being quite lenient. I didn't mention, for example, that Apple claims that Man's eternal search for Truth is a challenge to be avoided at all costs. Perhaps it has some sound arguments on its side, but if so it's keeping them hidden. I'd say it's far more likely that we can divide Apple's crotchets into three categories: unenlightened, brown-nosing, and puzzleheaded.

Apple has a glib proficiency with words and very sensitive nostrils. It can smell money in your pocket from a block away. Once that delicious aroma reaches Apple's nostrils, it'll start talking about the joy of hoodlumism and how it's inflexibly honest, thoroughly patriotic, and eminently solicitous to promote, in all proper ways, the public good. As you listen to Apple's sing-song, chances are you won't even notice its hand as it goes into your pocket. Only later, after you realize you've been robbed, will you truly understand that its weltanschauung is that it is a champion of liberty and individual expression. This is not what I think; this is what I know. I additionally know that it's possible that my message has always been that the main thing that I'm trying to get at here is that Apple's accusations are now a staple of its shills' convictions. However, I cannot speculate about that possibility here because I need to devote more space to a description of how Apple's epithets are unilateralism reincarnate. Be patient; I won't ask you to take that on faith. Rather, I'll provide irrefragable proof that if you look soberly and carefully at the evidence all around you, you will unequivocally find that if everyone does his own, small part, together we can treat the disease, not the symptoms.

Apple is a tremendous deadweight on our will and morale. But there are other strains of pertinacious Oblomovism active today and the siren calls of those movements may mesmerize officious lamebrains whose yawping fervor blinds them to historical lessons. I maintain that Apple is an invidious, mad moron.
 
You call that a rant? Weaksauce! Let me help...


I'm going to skip the usual preaching, moralizing, and pontificating and go straight to the facts. One of my objectives for this rant is to counteract the subtle but pervasive social message that says that communism and charlatanism are identical concepts. Believe me, I certainly don't want to give Apple a chance to mollycoddle unprincipled pamphleteers. I condemn Apple's gross and systematic violations of human rights. I'm not just talking about the arbitrary detentions, enforced disappearances, torture, and summary executions but also about my previous observation that whenever Apple claims that it answers to no one, I can't help but think that it has just subtracted from the sum of human knowledge. Regular readers of my letters probably take that for granted, but if I am to preserve the peace, I must explain to the population at large that in this world, there are niddering, morbid scroungers. There are dangerous gomerals. There are rats who walk like men. And then there is Apple. Of those, I insist that Apple is the most malign because its janissaries can read some crock of bumptious drivel it once wrote and believe that they've read something really profound. That's something you won't find in your local newspaper because it's the news that just doesn't fit.

I feel that Apple has insulted everyone with even the slightest moral commitment. It obviously has none or it wouldn't consign our traditional values to the rubbish heap of Marxism. What I'm saying is this: I have a plan to seek liberty, equality, and fraternity. I call this plan "Operation establish clear, justifiable definitions of vandalism and factionalism so that one can defend a decision to take action when Apple's servitors foment a radical realignment of industrialized economies". (Granted, I need a shorter, catchier name, but that one will do for now.) My plan's underlying motif is that nothing appears more plausible at first sight, nor more ill-founded and ludibrious upon closer inspection, than Apple's values. Of course, this sounds simple, but in reality, the real issue is simple: Human life is full of artificiality, perversion, and misery, much of which is caused by ornery mountebanks.

In any decent society, Apple would be just another grotty, doctrinaire gutter-dweller standing on a streetcorner braying its nonsensical diatribes from atop a soapbox. Nevertheless, it has managed to gain some credibility among the most coldhearted stuffed shirts I've ever seen because they relate to her message that a plausible excuse is a satisfactory substitute for performance. "Apple" has now become part of my vocabulary. Whenever I see someone publishing blatantly inarticulate rhetoric as "education" for children to learn in school, I tell him or her to stop "Apple-ing". No matter how much talk and analysis occurs, this is not a question of fetishism or isolationism. Rather, it is a question about how there's only one true drama queen around here, and Apple is the one wearing the crown.

Here's an extraordinary paradox: All of the fatuitous clods who shouldn't be allowed to manipulate everything and everybody invariably want to. This raises the question: Why aren't our children being warned about Apple in school? Well, we all know the answer to that question, don't we? In case you don't, you should note that it's easy for armchair philosophers to theorize about Apple and about hypothetical solutions to our Apple problem. It's an entirely more difficult matter, however, when one considers that it is the type of organization that turns up its nose at people like you and me. I guess that's because we haven't the faintest notion about the things that really matter such as why it would be good for Apple to bar people from partaking in activities that cannot be monitored and controlled.

It amazes me how successful Apple has been at representing Heaven as Hell and, conversely, the most wretched life as paradise. History will look back on that unfortunate success with profound regret and wonder why the people of our time didn't do more to encourage our spirits to soar while remaining true to those beliefs, ideals, and aspirations we hold most dear. Perhaps our answer should be that I doubtlessly want to step up to the plate and ensure that we survive and emerge triumphant out of the coming chaos and destruction, but I can't do that alone. So do me a favor and provide a positive, confident, and assertive vision of humanity's future and our role in it. That'll show Apple that we need to look beyond the most immediate and visible problems with it. We need to look at what is behind these problems and understand that news about its plans to install a puppet government that pledges allegiance to its impulsive club occasionally puffs up like auguries of a new Pope through the Vatican chimney. Am I aware of how Apple will react when it reads that last sentence? Yes. Do I care? No, because if history follows its course, it should be evident that I overheard one of its spokesmen say, "Apple can absorb mana by devouring its rivals' brains." This quotation demonstrates the power of language as it epitomizes the "us/them" dichotomy within hegemonic discourse. As for me, I prefer to use language to honor our nation's glorious mosaic of cultures and ethnicities.

Apple pretends to have the solution for everything. In reality, it creates more problems for the rest of us to solve. Consider, for example, how I defy the silly buffoons who justify, palliate, or excuse the evils of Apple's heart, and I defy the powers of darkness that they represent. Believe it or not, Apple has come extremely close to burning books. True story. Anyhow, Apple seems to have recently added the word "intercrystallization" to its otherwise simplistic vocabulary. I suppose it intends to use big words like that to obscure the fact that I, not being one of the many gutless guttersnipes of this world, strive to be consistent in my arguments. I can't say that I'm 100% true to this, but Apple's frequent vacillating leads me to believe that it's neither morally nor intellectually consistent. If it were, it wouldn't first cheat on taxes then afterwards decry my observation that it accuses me of being condescending whenever I state that unlike it, I, for one, don't turn a blind eye to atrocities around the world. All right, I'll admit that I have a sharp tongue and sometimes write with a bit of a poison pen, but the fact remains that Apple believes with sincere conviction that its malisons are Holy Writ. Providing a cornucopia of evidence to the contrary won't faze it; it's immune to any sort of reality check. That's why Apple wants to discourage us from expressing our jobations in whatever way we damn well please. Alas, that's a mere ripple on the brutal ocean of Pyrrhonism in which Apple will drown any attempt to bring meaning, direction, and purpose into our lives.

All of Apple's jibes are paralogistic, but I won't linger on that. Apple refers to a variety of things using the word "anthropomorphization". Translating this bit of jargon into English isn't easy. Basically, it's saying that the health effects of secondhand smoke are negligible, which we all know is patently absurd. At any rate, it is squarely in favor of hucksterism and its propensity to create a regime of mean-spirited Lysenkoism. This is so typical of Apple: it condemns bigotry and injustice except when it benefits it personally. When it comes to Apple's remonstrations, I undoubtedly suspect that we have drifted along for too long in a state of blissful denial and outright complacency. It's time to reach the broadest possible audience with the message that its perfidious disquisitions create alleged excuses for all forms of wrongdoing. The sooner we do that the better because Apple has found a way to avoid compliance with government regulations, circumvent any further litigation, and blend together extremism and fainéantism in a train wreck of monumental proportions—all by trumping up a phony emergency.

Apple is a psychologically defective organization. It's what the psychiatrists call a constitutional psychopath or a sociopath. Like I said, Apple claims to have donated a lot of money to charity over the past few years. I suspect that the nullibicity of those donations would become apparent if one were to audit Apple's books—unless, of course, "charity" includes Apple-run organizations that lead to the destruction of the human race. In that case, I'd say that you, of course, now need some hard evidence that Apple never seems to listen to anyone else's positions and reasoning. Well, how about this for evidence: It is the picture of the insane person on the street, babbling to a tree, a wall, or a cloud, which cannot and does not respond to its sottises. Some will say I exaggerate, but actually I'm being quite lenient. I didn't mention, for example, that Apple claims that Man's eternal search for Truth is a challenge to be avoided at all costs. Perhaps it has some sound arguments on its side, but if so it's keeping them hidden. I'd say it's far more likely that we can divide Apple's crotchets into three categories: unenlightened, brown-nosing, and puzzleheaded.

Apple has a glib proficiency with words and very sensitive nostrils. It can smell money in your pocket from a block away. Once that delicious aroma reaches Apple's nostrils, it'll start talking about the joy of hoodlumism and how it's inflexibly honest, thoroughly patriotic, and eminently solicitous to promote, in all proper ways, the public good. As you listen to Apple's sing-song, chances are you won't even notice its hand as it goes into your pocket. Only later, after you realize you've been robbed, will you truly understand that its weltanschauung is that it is a champion of liberty and individual expression. This is not what I think; this is what I know. I additionally know that it's possible that my message has always been that the main thing that I'm trying to get at here is that Apple's accusations are now a staple of its shills' convictions. However, I cannot speculate about that possibility here because I need to devote more space to a description of how Apple's epithets are unilateralism reincarnate. Be patient; I won't ask you to take that on faith. Rather, I'll provide irrefragable proof that if you look soberly and carefully at the evidence all around you, you will unequivocally find that if everyone does his own, small part, together we can treat the disease, not the symptoms.

Apple is a tremendous deadweight on our will and morale. But there are other strains of pertinacious Oblomovism active today and the siren calls of those movements may mesmerize officious lamebrains whose yawping fervor blinds them to historical lessons. I maintain that Apple is an invidious, mad moron.

cool story, bro.
 
I've been planning to buy an iMac since 2010 and am ready to buy now but lack of new stock sent me out into the wild seeking a used machine. Lack of new stock seems to be driving the prices through the roof. Lack of a SuperDrive is sending the prices higher. Look on Craigslist and find people pricing slower used models with cracked or chipped glass over new iMacs. If it fell hard enough to break the glass I don't want to pay more than a new one costs. :rolleyes:

Did Apple announce a new iMac too soon?:confused:
They have acknowledged that not having any product to sell is hurting the company. Who blew it here? The forum is full of how long did you wait or how long do you think it will take stories. They have been saying a few weeks since November, that was 2 months ago. :(
I realize rolling out a brand new model isn't easy but I can't help but think if Steve Jobs were around this wouldn't be. If I was in charge of this and bungled this badly I would expect to be fired. :apple:
Sorry for the rant, I love Apple but if they keep dropping the ball like this I'll be stuck on my old computers forever. :mad:

I waited 2 months for my 27" and it was worth it. It's my first iMac, previously I've have towers like the G4 and G5.

I don't think they announced them too soon but that said they need to fix up the supply issues as it could hurt their bottom line for the next 6 months if people can't get them in a more reasonable time.

Personally I wouldn't buy any damaged Mac unless I was a Apple tech and could fix any potential problems or if it was a 2nd machine. I think with the iMac many are trying to cash in on people thinking they need a built in DVD or an LCD that can be more easily removed. I think an external DVD is the way to go and I'll get one if I even need it, right now one week in I've only needed the DVD once so I shared the one on my G5 and installed the software, quick and simple and no need to spend $89 on a SuperDrive that would live most of it's life gathering dust in the draw.

Look at placing an order for a new iMac or maybe try the Mac Mini and get a 3rd party LCD of your choice.
 
A couple things to address your rant:

1. The Late 2009-Mid 2011 generation of iMacs are horribly unreliable and prone to all sorts of issues both internally and externally. If you are that much in need of an iMac, stalk the Apple Refurbished Macs section in the iMac portion. Otherwise, I'd place an order for one of the newer ones.

I totally agree. I have a mid 2011 iMac 27" and after one year the problems started.
First grey smudges at the top right of the screen, slowly spreading all over the screen. This problem is well documented all over Apple communities. Next up was the screen flickering and eventually dimming on the left hand side of the screen. This is also all over the web.
Recently all my bluetooth devices, magic mouse, keyboard and trackpad have all stopped working when I use them on the right hand side of the iMac. They only work when the are on the left of the machine. This would be fine if I was left handed.
Foolishly I didn't get Apple care, but I expected a £1800 computer to work flawlessly for more than 12 months.
 
.. And it's these type of people/topics/FALSE FACTS that bring such bad rep to Apple, I wish they were still a minority company. Had such a better time back then..
 
I kind of don't care whether you listen to me or not. Nor do I really care whether you place any stock in what I have to say on this matter or not.
Obviously you do care because you keep trying to justify your very limited position.

I have done numerous repairs on numerous MacBook Pros and I do not feel that they exhibit the same degree of poor reliability nor do I feel as though they are poorly designed.
So now we get to the root of your assertions. You "feel" that there are design flaws in computers and not in others. Why didn't you just say that in the first place? You can feel all you want and I would accept that but don't come on here and state your feelings as fact. That is all I'm saying.
 
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I totally agree. I have a mid 2011 iMac 27" and after one year the problems started.
First grey smudges at the top right of the screen, slowly spreading all over the screen. This problem is well documented all over Apple communities. Next up was the screen flickering and eventually dimming on the left hand side of the screen. This is also all over the web.
Recently all my bluetooth devices, magic mouse, keyboard and trackpad have all stopped working when I use them on the right hand side of the iMac. They only work when the are on the left of the machine. This would be fine if I was left handed.
Foolishly I didn't get Apple care, but I expected a £1800 computer to work flawlessly for more than 12 months.

It's not Apple's best machine to say the least. Personally, beyond failure-prone design, I have many problems with the design, though, given the design philosophy they're taking with the retina MacBook Pros and the current MacBook Airs, most of that is moot; but on a desktop, I want access to my internal storage because when that fills up, I need a new machine barring complicating my set up with even more external drives. Bleh.

Obviously you do care because you keep trying to justify your very limited position.

No, I just happen to take a sick pleasure in arguing crap I know from what I do for a living to/against people that (a) don't know about these computers beyond what Apple posts in its marketing and (b) are unwilling to accept the notion that Apple could possibly make a poorly designed and engineered computer.

You are falling into these camps and are no less guilty of trying to tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about than I am of trying to tell you the same. The only difference is that I do it for a living and you don't. Again, this only makes arguing more fun for me because you end up looking like a blind fanboy whereas I'm pretty pro-Apple and I have no love for these machines because unlike blind fanboys, I'm actually capable of calling Apple out on not doing a good job when they legitimately don't do a good job.

Also, while we're on the subject of limited positions, how many iMacs did you say you owned and sold from the 2009-2011 generation? Four? Five? Hell, even ten? We get at least that many with failures every week. This frequency has been consistent at every AASP I've ever worked at. I've seen more of those machines have problems than you have probably ever worked with ever. Now who has the more limited position?


So now we get to the root of your assertions. You "feel" that there are design flaws in computers and not in others. Why didn't you just say that in the first place? You can feel all you want and I would accept that but don't come on here and state your feelings as fact. That is all I'm saying.

Way to take a single word and blow it way out of proportion. Fine, substitute the word "feel" for the word "know" so that my argument sounds less passive. And for heavens sake, why don't you examine the design of the iMac yourself and compare it to Apple's other machines so that you actually have a counter-argument better than "you don't have the complete sales to failure ratio and thusly anything you say on the subject of iMac failure is invalid", because with that alone, I can't take what YOU say seriously. Though again, no complaints; it makes the argument that much more fun for me.
 
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I know. What nonsense.

Clearly you've never seen one naked.

I agree, he does not sound well informed at all. Scary that his family are actually waiting on his advice, like something magical will happen with the next subtle iMac refresh that will make his advice worth following.

No, because taking dozens of them apart every week and noticing the same recurring problems and seeing the same bulletins over and over on Apple's own GSX site obviously means that I'm a windbag that knows nothing about Macs or how amazing they are. :apple::apple::apple::apple::apple:

It's exactly BECAUSE the 2009-2011 iMac is so well engineered and designed that resale is so high on them. If they were highly unreliable as this person suggests, the resale would be that of a Dell.

Right because the resale value on MacBook Pros with the GeForce 8600M GT (which was a guaranteed inevitable failure on those models) was that much lower than machines that came out both before and after them. Oh wait a minute, IT WASN'T! Not every Apple machine is as reliable as every other. Some are way more reliable than others; they're designed by DIFFERENT TEAMS OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE! Dells aren't cheap because they're unreliable; hell, most businesses use Dell with little problem (otherwise they wouldn't use Dell). Dells are cheap because the components are cheap, because Dell didn't splurge on high-end stuff. There's nothing cheap about the components in an iMac; they're just poorly designed.
 
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The only difference is that I do it for a living and you don't.
And you know this how? I never told you what I do for a living so why would you assume such a thing? Again, coming on here and stating fact without knowing a darn thing is again ruining your credibility.

I've seen more of those machines have problems than you have probably ever worked with ever. Now who has the more limited position?
Again, you know this how? You are really making yourself look bad.

Seems there is really no reasoning with you in a logical way. No matter what anyone says here, you will think that the iMac is a poor design. That's fine with me. As a matter of fact I also never said that the iMac was perfect. I was just making sure that you didn't get away with your original statement of:

"The Late 2009-Mid 2011 generation of iMacs are horribly unreliable and prone to all sorts of issues both internally and externally."

...and stated as fact. No dice buddy. Try again but next time at least preface your statement with "In my opinon". You might go a bit further here. Seeya.
 
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He is entirely entitled to his opinion that the iMac is of a poor design. His opinion might get more weight since he services the machines.

However, stating it as a fact that a given iMac model/generation is highly prone to failure is just blowing smoke, since there is no empirical data to back it up.

As to recommendations that anyone "steer clear" of the first year of a model re-design, that sounds like something that I hear on car forums after a car gets a redesign and people worry about undiscovered gremlins, even though impartial reliability surveys rarely bear that out as an actual issue.
 
And you know this how? I never told you what I do for a living so why would you assume such a thing? Again, coming on here and stating fact without knowing a darn thing is again ruining your credibility.

If you also did what I did for a living, it would be convenient to state as much and forever ago.

Again, you know this how? You are really making yourself look bad.

You are not denying that I'm correct, nor are you saying anything supporting the notion that I'm wrong. I'd say it's a safe assumption. Please feel free to provide evidence to prove me wrong. I don't want you to wrongly get the impression that I'm closed to being proven wrong provided you have actual things with which to do so.

Seems there is really no reasoning with you in a logical way. No matter what anyone says here, you will think that the iMac is a poor design. That's fine with me. As a matter of fact I also never said that the iMac was perfect. I was just making sure that you didn't get away with your original statement of:

"The Late 2009-Mid 2011 generation of iMacs are horribly unreliable and prone to all sorts of issues both internally and externally."

...and stated as fact. No dice buddy. Try again but next time at least preface your statement with "In my opinon". You might go a bit further here. Seeya.

It is a fact. It is also an opinion supported by fact just as the opinionated statement "Apple really is a popular brand" is backed up by the fact that "Apple really is a popular brand". But okay. Again, your argument is that I don't have enough data. You have nothing to support this. My argument is that I have more data to suggest that I'm right than others do to suggest that I'm wrong. If you want to agree to disagree, then fine, but to say that I'm ridiculous is ridiculous.

He is entirely entitled to his opinion that the iMac is of a poor design. His opinion might get more weight since he services the machines.

However, stating it as a fact that a given iMac model/generation is highly prone to failure is just blowing smoke, since there is no empirical data to back it up.

Waitaminute, how is my observation in four different AASPs not, by the definition of the word, empirical?

As to recommendations that anyone "steer clear" of the first year of a model re-design, that sounds like something that I hear on car forums after a car gets a redesign and people worry about undiscovered gremlins, even though impartial reliability surveys rarely bear that out as an actual issue.

Your luck with that is variable when it comes to Apple products. Some are fine for the first rev. Some are not. I tend to take it with a grain of salt, unless the machine is costing me some serious money (which is always). Your mileage may vary. Though it never hurts to, when spending that much money, play it safe.
 
Hardware wise, my iMac from 2008 is still holding up strong. In the summer of 2009, while I wasn't even 11, I spoiled the slot loading drive on my iMac and its been broken since. I've rarely ever needed to use the drive since, however that's not the point. The point is, iMacs are, in my experience, reliable.

I'm thinking of buying a new Mac now, and the new 27" iMac is definitely one of my options. What you're saying about all the bugs makes me think. Maybe around WWDC they'll update it with Haswell processors? Hopefully.
 
Hardware wise, my iMac from 2008 is still holding up strong. In the summer of 2009, while I wasn't even 11, I spoiled the slot loading drive on my iMac and its been broken since. I've rarely ever needed to use the drive since, however that's not the point. The point is, iMacs are, in my experience, reliable.

I'm thinking of buying a new Mac now, and the new 27" iMac is definitely one of my options. What you're saying about all the bugs makes me think. Maybe around WWDC they'll update it with Haswell processors? Hopefully.
2008 iMac still going strong? Nice.. I had and sold my 2009 iMac, the owner still says it's great! I think they are good machines, sure some have been lemons (yellow tinting, noisy/vibrating hdds, etc) over the years, but you get that when producing such large quantities of products...
 
2008 iMac still going strong? Nice.. I had and sold my 2009 iMac, the owner still says it's great! I think they are good machines, sure some have been lemons (yellow tinting, noisy/vibrating hdds, etc) over the years, but you get that when producing such large quantities of products...

Yeah, I take great care of my Apple products (my only products aha). The rMBPs have also been reported to have some issues since they're only on Rev. A (does the first edition count as A? I'm not sure), however I'm sure Apple's working on Haswell versions of both the 13 and 15 inch models. I think it'll be worth the wait to hold out for the next revision of iMacs and rMBPs, not for the performance (which for both series is stellar), but for all of the bug fixes.
 
Again, how many have failed versus how many have been sold is irrelevant. The flaws in the design makes these problems likely. Geographical data, sales data, and frequency of occurrences of the problems are irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that, by design, they are likely to happen.

Although my 2009 27" iMac has been reliable, I totally +1 all of your remarks. It's no doubt in my mind that this machine runs way too hot, thanks to it's small size and somewhat limited cooling ("form over function" alas). So I'll admit to surprise that it keeps working. Unfortunately Apple doesn't offer a decent desktop except for the Mac Pro which is long in the tooth, overbuilt for most uses, and way too expensive as a result.

I've recently noticed that Dell is offering 2.5" "laptop" drives in their desktop workstation line now. What with the long time move toward portable computing, maybe the "desktop" components will die off except for game systems.
 
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