iMacs not a threat to PC's and they never will be

Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by MapleOne, May 15, 2008.

  1. MapleOne macrumors newbie

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    From this website:
    http://www.betanews.com/article/Apple_refreshes_its_iMac_line/1209394974#c1597328

    Made me laugh.... Apple and Google are the two biggest single threats to the Microsoft empire. This guy has his head so far buried it is not even funny.
     
  2. PlaceofDis macrumors Core

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    well there is a lot of issues with the iMacs if Apple wanted to really push into the PC marketshare well past what they're doing they'd have to offer an upgradable screenless mac with similar specs as an iMac. but the problem is they won't. apple will gain huge ground in the laptop segment, and they already are, but the desktop won't grow much because people don't always want to buy the limited and closed nature of the iMac in a desktop, but it does work for a good portion of people.
     
  3. jb60606 macrumors 6502a

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    They'll continue to gain a little market share, but Apple would have to open their OS to other hardware vendors (which they'll likely never do, especially considering they're a hardware company first, software company second) if they ever want to compete on that level.

    And how is Google a threat to Microsoft? The last I checked, 90%(+) of their revenue came from their OS, applications and gaming consoles. Don't get me wrong - MS wants more market share in search engines, but it's no back breaker.
     
  4. PlaceofDis macrumors Core

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    google owns the web, and the web has a lot of say of what will be happening in the future, microsoft hasn't been very successful there, so google is indeed a threat, especially with their web based apps and their size.
     
  5. Sun Baked macrumors G5

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    Flexibility in a woman to do that is kinky, and stimulating.

    On a guy it is just creepy. :p
     
  6. dejo Moderator

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    Here's one perspective:
    Google Search To Surpass Size of Microsoft Windows in 2009
     
  7. arkitect macrumors 601

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    Oh, I don't know… ;)

    Chacun à son gout and all that. :D
     
  8. MapleOne thread starter macrumors newbie

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    First: Almost everything is going to go web based, it is conceivable that eventually even operating systems could go web based. This would require mobile computers to have very little processing power.

    Second: Even Microsoft has admitted they are losing ground to Google. The recent attempt to acquire Yahoo shows that Microsoft is deeply concerned about Google.
     
  9. duncyboy macrumors 6502a

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    An iMac didn't just threaten my PC- it outright killed it! :p

    And now Mac Mini's threatening my HTPC.
     
  10. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    I don't agree that web applications will be massive in the future, they have a lot of flaws.

    • Cannot access the applications offline.
    • Have to trust a large (and generally offshore) company with my data.
    • More expensive setup costs for the company, and uses excessive bandwidth.
    • Poor latency, so the applications are slow to respond to user input.
    • Difficultly with interacting with files from a different application unless specifically granted by both parties.

    They should be looking at profit, not revenue though if they can...
     
  11. jb60606 macrumors 6502a

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    I believe you're thinking too far ahead. 30% of this country doesn't even have the internet. Even more are withou high speed, always-on, broadband access, yet you expect them to be on internet based apps within even just 10 yrs? Not to mention, the internet - in it's current state - does not have the capacity to handle such a large scale increase in traffic. A forklift overhaul is in order.

    when google begins development of large scale business and even just home productivity software and operating systems, then I think Microsoft should worry. Until then, they develop digital marketing technology and largely "gadget" software.

    This whole ideology of, "if Google wins, then Microsoft loses" doesn't hold water. I have no doubt Google's prospects worry Microsoft, as they would any publicly traded company, but they're not the threat (at least, no where near immediate) that everyone makes them out to be.

    And if you think that businesses will expose each of their workstations on a global public network through the use of internet enabled applications - maintained by a single company that intentionally sells user info to 3rd parties - I'd say you were crazy and far too ignorant of security issues that would arise. If you think Microsoft is bad - wait until Google truly "owns the internet".

    And don't think for one minute that Google is safe from competitors, either. It's a lot easier to switch search engines than it is operating systems and productivity/corporate software. And Google is already finding themselves in a heap of legal troubles and public backlash for some of their activities. That'll increase in time.
     
  12. gkarris macrumors 604

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    My iPhone pwned my Windows Mobile Phone....

    I think my AppleTV sneered at my Tivo once.... :eek:

    :D
     
  13. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    To be fair that would be strange, especially if that 30% have computers at all. I highly doubt that that is the position in other developed nations. Hell even in poor countries they have internet when they have computers.
     
  14. jb60606 macrumors 6502a

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    "Google it" :)

    I'm sure the statistic has decreased a tad, but I know it was almost exclusive to the poor.

    And there are still portions of this country so distant from the civilization that they can't even access the internet over dial-up without it being an expensive long-distance call.

    Some found no value in it because they get all the net access they need at the office. Some weren't computer literate enough, or didn't own a computer at all.
     
  15. jmadlena Guest

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    As far as technology goes, that segments doesn't matter much, I'd think. Technology doesn't wait for people who refuse to "advance,' it just goes along its way.

    I'm not saying 10 years is a good bet, or that we will ever reach the level of operating systems in the cloud, but I think at one point we will have a constant internet connection (through WiMax, or 4G, or 5G, etc...)

    We will get there, and there will always be luddites.
     
  16. MapleOne thread starter macrumors newbie

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    YOU HAVE TO THINK BIGGER

    Yes I know the web will not replace everything but the growth will be staggering. As far as applications going online, it has already happened, just look at some of the online tax programs. The end file sits on your computer but the program sits on the web. It is not inconceivable that a word processing program sits on the web and the file is stored on your computer or the web (o yeah that's already happened and it's called Google).

    I totally disagree with the members saying that too much bandwidth is required. It is the exact opposite. I see the telephone going away and getting replaced with an internet connection. In the future an internet connection will be your telephone and everyone in the modern world will have access to web based programs.
     
  17. jb60606 macrumors 6502a

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    see above
     
  18. AceWilfong macrumors regular

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    I'm sitting in front of my flashy, over priced, proprietary garbage, and I love it!
    :D
     
  19. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    So why say:
    Thats only because that is a more efficient way of using the bandwidth to your home as telephones use as much bandwidth as a whole internet connection, but via VOIP they use only a tiny fraction.
     
  20. nick9191 macrumors 68040

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    I think it is safe to say eventually phone and TV will be delivered by Internet.

    Back OT, they need to make a cheaper iMac. Say 2.1ghz Core 2, 1gb RAM, 250gb HDD, X3100 graphics, £549.
     
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    Jobs himself has stated the exact opposite, explicitly, on multiple occasions.
     
  22. zap2 macrumors 604

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    Wait, the writer knows that the iMac is just one computer, right?

    Of course that machine won't threaten a whole market.

    I'd check again. MS has lost billions on the Xbox 360.
     
  23. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Remember Profit != Revenue.

    Regardless Microsoft's biggest profit streams are servers, Windows Client and MS Office.
     
  24. surferfromuk macrumors 65816

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    If Microsoft continue doing exactly what they've been doing for the last 3 years and Apple continue doing exactly what they've been doing for the last 3 years - in 10 years time Microsoft will go BUST!

    Apple has just entered the Jet age whilst Microsoft is simply adding more propellers...

    Everyone can see that - will they admit it ? I highly doubt it...but doesn't change the essential truth of it...
     
  25. jb60606 macrumors 6502a

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    Look up the word 'revenue'. That's beside the point.
     

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