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It is great to see a portable games platform that evolves at the rate of a major update every year. What I would like to know is if the benefits of new processors and GPUs in future iPhones, iPod Touches and iPads will be reflected on current generation Apple TVs when using the Airplay Mirroring feature of iOS 5. If the Apple TV does not have to match the hardware of the other iOS device it is mirroring then console manufacturers will have new competition in this system.

The only downside I see with this is the assumption that 100% of iOS owners update to the latest and greatest. If they don't then you cannot rely on that processing power, you have to shoot for the lower systems. Consoles don't have that problem as the CPU/GPU power is set for a long length of time.
 
All indications point to a complete lack of volume manufacturing capacity of a suitable Retina Display in the iPad size.

There aren't manufacturing lines that are pumping out these parts and I believe at least one manufacturer (Samsung?) has claimed that they were building suitable facilities later this year, which would indicate a functional manufacturing line sometime early next year.

You are talking today. I am talking tomorrow. The moment such a screen is fluidly manufactured, it will be used in mass-manufacture devices. That could happen anytime: the tech is designed and manufactured, it just needs stable mass-production.

As for Apple not changing "mid-stream", that is the most fatuous thing I've read. Apple has commonly disrupted (supposedly) regular, periodic updates for a variety of reasons. There is no reason to believe they can't do what they need or want to meet market demand or technical advancements.
 
The manufacturing lines don't exist yet. They are being built, but it takes many months of construction, followed by months of preproduction work to get a line up to speed, work out the kinks, improve yield to the point where they can generate a million units per month.

Remember that Apple's partners are now building approximately 4 million iPads per month. The supply chain needs to be able to provide millions of Retina Display parts just for Apple (and ignoring every other customer).

You are not going to see a tablet shipping in quantity with a Retina Display this year.
 
I'm not so confident it will happen next year. Two reasons:

28 nm) TSMC's troubles with their new process have been wildly publicized. While it is still in its infancy, yield will be low. It makes the most sense to minimize design risk and put all of.the risk in the new process. This also allows the die size to shrink, and the A5 is quite large compared to A4. May not be an issue for the iPad, but the iPhone needs every precious mm it can get. The A4 is also mainly a die shrink of the 3GS core. It just has some custom logic to spport things like power management. CPU and GPU cores just shrunk.

LTE) qualcomm's all in one LTE solution will be 28 nm and ready for primetime next year. It makes sense to bag extra battery life with an A5 process shrink to keep overall battery life up. If they couple this with an exterior design as past cadence suggests, no one will likely notice same core minus enthusiasts and analysts.

Don't get me wrong, they could go hog wild with a 4 core A9 and this GPU, it just doesn't seek likely.
 
HiRez iPad at a Premium

Most of the discussion of a "retina" iPad assumes that the high rez screen would be a feature of the mainstream model. It seems entirely possible that the retina display would be featured on a premium, flagship model of the iPad, alongside a standard rez version. This would be similar to the way Apple has continued to market the older iPhone models. Pricing and availability of the premium iPad would be help Apple match demand to the availability of the new display components.
 
The manufacturing lines don't exist yet. They are being built, but it takes many months of construction, followed by months of preproduction work to get a line up to speed, work out the kinks, improve yield to the point where they can generate a million units per month.

You are not going to see a tablet shipping in quantity with a Retina Display this year.

Fail. We can't tell if Apple is ready for it. Example is iPhone 4's retina display, how much do we know that Apple can mass produce those displays last year? If Gizmodo didn't get the prototype, we're clueless all along. The only rumor we know is that microscope thing. ;)
 
Fail. We can't tell if Apple is ready for it. Example is iPhone 4's retina display, how much do we know that Apple can mass produce those displays last year? If Gizmodo didn't get the prototype, we're clueless all along. The only rumor we know is that microscope thing. ;)

Because Samsung only recently demoed a retina tablet display. There was no awareness of the need for an iPhone size retina display, so there was no fuss about it existing.
 
Because Samsung only recently demoed a retina tablet display. There was no awareness of the need for an iPhone size retina display, so there was no fuss about it existing.
So can you mention any manufacturing company DEMOED a 3.5" retina display last year before iPhone 4's existence? :rolleyes:
 
Most of the discussion of a "retina" iPad assumes that the high rez screen would be a feature of the mainstream model. It seems entirely possible that the retina display would be featured on a premium, flagship model of the iPad, alongside a standard rez version. This would be similar to the way Apple has continued to market the older iPhone models. Pricing and availability of the premium iPad would be help Apple match demand to the availability of the new display components.

Very clever comment. Nobody and nothing can prevent Apple from introducing a new iPad 3 (iPad 2S, iPad 2 Premium, whatever you may call it) with a high resolution display, better GPU/CPU and better cameras, which will be sold for a higher price. Everything is possible in the Apple world, my friends! ;)
 
It is great to see a portable games platform that evolves at the rate of a major update every year. What I would like to know is if the benefits of new processors and GPUs in future iPhones, iPod Touches and iPads will be reflected on current generation Apple TVs when using the Airplay Mirroring feature of iOS 5. If the Apple TV does not have to match the hardware of the other iOS device it is mirroring then console manufacturers will have new competition in this system.

Indeed! With significant annual upgrades, it won't be too long until they're approaching console levels of performance. Obviously, they'll run into power/heat issues soon enough, but the progress in iOS games made over the last 2 years is staggering.
 
So can you mention any manufacturing company DEMOED a 3.5" retina display last year before iPhone 4's existence? :rolleyes:

No.

I can do better. Two actual phones with similar PPI's hit the market 3 and 2 years before the iPhone 4 did, not just display demos.

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=10118898#post10118898

The problem with displays is scaling. That's why you see so many 3-4" OLED/AMOLED, but >15" is an expensive pipe dream right now, and that's why it will take a while to do volume for a retina 10" display.

[1] http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Toshiba-Portege-G900-Review_id1787
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_displays_by_pixel_density#Devices_sorted_by_size
 
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Could the current iPad (being 9x faster with graphics) house a "retina" display as a mid-stream revision? All indications point to Apple on the verge of stepping upward to a 4x resolution screen.

There was a distinct flurry of "news" over the weekend about the fabled, but inevitable, A6. Seems there is an ample amount of public murmuring over the iPad 3 (A6 iPad), and it all seems good. Apple is obviously concentrating very strongly on the tablet; I can't wait to see where it goes.

Rumors/news indicated the A6 will be too hot for iPhone/iPod use, but will be at home in the iPad.

With iCloud and some better graphics and processing, the iPad will, in essence, become a full-fledged personal computer. For most people, $499 for such a device is a worthy value compared to some clunky tech for twice the price.

Let's make this clear.

"It's NOT 9x faster with graphics"

That's been taken up by some people to mean, in general the iPad2's graphics are 9x faster. THEY ARE NOT !!!!!

Even Apple did not say it in this way.

At launch is said "up to 9x" and if people know anything about graphics benchmarks, the words "up to" mean a hell of a lot.

It could be 1% faster in 99% of tests, but 1 test comes out 9x the speed and they could say that.

I've seen many many benchmarks, and to be honest, I've never seen one test that gives a 9x score.

It's misleading people to the point of it being a lie as, basically it's not true.

It would be far fat more accurate to add up all the benchmark results between iPad1 and 2, average them out and come up with a figure.
That would be a honest number.
I'm taking a wild guess here, but I'm thinking about 3x to 4x the speed as an average, not 9x
 
Of course I love the retina display on my iPhone 4. It's gorgeous.
But I also love the big, beautiful, clear screen on my iPad.

A retina display on the iPad belongs in my would be "nice to have"-category.
It's definitely not a "need to have".

I simply don't understand why everyone is getting so psyched up about this.
 
Of course I love the retina display on my iPhone 4. It's gorgeous.
But I also love the big, beautiful, clear screen on my iPad.

A retina display on the iPad belongs in my would be "nice to have"-category.
It's definitely not a "need to have".

I simply don't understand why everyone is getting so psyched up about this.

I don't think it would of been as bad if Apple had selected a better screen res in the 1st place. 1024x768 is low by any standards for where we are now.
 
Just think PRICE or should we say Apple's COST.

I don't really see why it would of affected the price.
Honeycomb 1280x800 screens give a lot more pixels, but I don't suppose the screens are any more expensive, or very little anyway.

Personally I'd of liked to have seem a 1366 pixel across screen as this seems quite a standard amount.
 
Hope this finally allows retina display apps for iPhone to be displayed at full resolution on iPad.
 
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