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iMessage for Android App 'Beeper Mini' is Back, Apple ID Sign In Now Required and Phone Numbers Don't Work

ozaz said:
Apple does this in messaging, and as a by-product also stifles the cross-platform messaging landscape in general.
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Apple does not have a messaging app lol. Not in the same as Whatsapp or Messenger.
Why iMessage needs to be cross platform when it was never meant to be is ridiculous. Apple users have the same ability to use any other messaging app just as they have the choice NOT to use iMessage.

The only con I have about iMessage is something that likely wont affect me because i will never go back to Android. I dont think I can import my iMessages to an Android (or other Operating system).
 
BaldiMac said:
As I said before, there is a big difference between a competitive advantage and a anticompetitive action. iMessage is a competitive advantage for Apple. It does nothing to stifle competition among messaging services.
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Well lets just disagree or we will go around in circles.
 
mrat93 said:
Just because you can install apps without Apple holding your hand on Android, doesn’t make the platform synonymous with piracy.
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Stats show that Apple users tend to buy apps (and are willing to pay more) than Android Users. That's not something made-up, that's fact.

Meaning, piracy is a rampant thing on Android. I used to pirate music when i was a teen (remember limewire anyone?) and I am sure i used emulators. It's very easy to do with Android and with a quick search anyone can do it.

Piracy and lag are what android is known for.
 
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scorpio vega said:
Apple does not have a messaging app lol. Not in the same as Whatsapp or Messenger.
Why iMessage needs to be cross platform when it was never meant to be is ridiculous. Apple users have the same ability to use any other messaging app just as they have the choice NOT to use iMessage.
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Of course Apple has a messaging app. And my dislike of Apple's approach to messaging hasn't got anything to do with iMessage not being cross-platform.
 
scorpio vega said:
Stats show that Apple users tend to buy apps (and are willing to pay more) than Android Users. That's not something made-up, that's fact.
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I never said it’s less prevalent. I’m just trying to defend modern retro gaming and you’re like “THIS IS WHY ANDROID HAS THE REPUTATION IT DOES!!”
 
BaldiMac said:
Why? That would be boring. The point of this forum is discussion. Do you disagree that there is a difference?
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Yeah, I probably agree that there's a difference. But at Apple's scale I think Apple's approach (combining iMessage with SMS whilst not allowing other apps to handle SMS) is anticompetitive.
 
scorpio vega said:
Well just because you feel like you are entitled to iMessage doesn't mean you are. Same argument just made.
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Entitled!? What are you talking about? How is anything the same here? You’re telling people to install a 3rd party app to communicate. Everyone doesn’t want to do that OR like the experience that offers.
 
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tbayrgs said:
Using RCS isn’t going to resolve the group message issue. Whether someone is using SMS or RCS won’t matter as they’re both not being managed through the iMessages server. RCS will simply mean you can send/receive media at native resolutions, send longer messages, get read receipts and see typing indicators. That’s probably about it.
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While "RCS" is an open standard, to date, I believe only Google hosts the needed intermediate RCS servers needed for the service to operate. Clearly Apple objected to that, and word is that Apple will host its own RCS servers that reject any message that can't be verified as being fully E2EE.

In other words, Apple is now open to adopting RCS support so long as it can meet their strict requirements for privacy and a consistent user experience.

iMessage will continue to offer unique features that are not supported by RCS clients, such as Memoji.
 
mrat93 said:
I never said it’s less prevalent. I’m just trying to defend modern retro gaming and you’re like “THIS IS WHY ANDROID HAS THE REPUTATION IT DOES!!”
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Defend Retro gaming for what? Doesn't excuse piracy so i am not sure why you are trying to defend that.
Like make it make sense.
ozaz said:
Yeah, I probably agree that there's a difference. But at Apple's scale I think Apple's approach (combining iMessage with SMS whilst not allowing other apps to handle SMS) is anticompetitive.
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I really think you need to learn what the word anticompetitive means if you are going to continue using it. Here I will help you out, friend.

Anti-competitve:
tending to stifle or suppress competition, especially when this violates antitrust laws.

Apple making iMessage synchronize with SMS is not stifling competition. Because that is literally what their entire OS is built around. Phone connecting to the watch. To desktop. To the vision pro probably. To the airpods. To the apple tv. To the whatever.

It's not anticompetitive becuase the only REAL advantage iMessage has over any other messaging app is the fact that is natively built into the OS. But that is negated by the fact that
  1. You can easily replace iMessage with whatever messaging app you want to use. Proof? Look at the rest of the world.
  2. Apple makes it perfectly easy to share Files to any other compatiable App that you so choose.
The reason your argument fails is because YOU DO NOT HAVE TO USE IMESSAGE. LMFAO, you can literally turn iMessage off.

So how are they anticompetitive if they give you the ability to turn it off lol. Meaning, I can choose to use SMS if I want solely (thus negating this whole BS argument) or RCS when it comes.

There is no Anti competitiveness here whatsoever. Especially when the stats proof that most of the world does not even use iMessage regularly and many of the messaing apps are more featured than IOS.

I rest my case.
 
ozaz said:
Yeah, I probably agree that there's a difference. But at Apple's scale I think Apple's approach is anticompetitive.
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Sure. But having an advantage and getting bigger doesn't make you anticompetitive. Anticompetitive actions involve interfering with your competitors, not simply developing features and services that they want. For example, Microsoft in the 90s and Google very recently in the Epic trial were found guilty of anticompetitive behavior by leveraging their market dominance in combination with financial incentives to prevent their partners from installing their competitors products.

Apple avoids this pitfall by making the whole widget. There are certainly some arguments to make around NFC access and In App Payments where Apple could be considered anticompetitive. But they can argue that the consumer benefits of closing those systems amount to a legitimate business purpose.
 
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Gix1k said:
Entitled!? What are you talking about? How is anything the same here? You’re telling people to install a 3rd party app to communicate. Everyone doesn’t want to do that OR like the experience that offers.
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I am telling people to download an app if group chats and pic quality is that much of an issue to whine about and blame IOS users, yes.

Becuase you have that option. Hacking into iMessage, I dont.

Most of the people here likely already have one of the many popular messaging apps. Which means your friends likely also have that same app so that is a weak argument.
 
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scorpio vega said:
@mrat93 If you are going to try and have a point do pick and choose comments i have made to you and another users. It's disingenuous.
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Baldi replied to me. You replied to them in the context of my comment. I replied to you.

This is how conversations work.
 
mrat93 said:
Baldi replied to me. You replied to them in the context of my comment. I replied to you.

This is how conversations work.
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That is in fact not how conversations work lol. I responded to you and I made a comment to them in jest which was not related to you. So your point was irrelevant as I was talking about you pirating games and making excuses for the fact they are no longer published which was the topic at hand. Not pirating from a 3 trillion dollar business
 
elvisimprsntr said:
Android users are literally green with envy. They desperately want to be blue to avoid the stigma of owning an Android device. Are they in high school?
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Considering they complain about their friends bullying them and not getting dates, sure sounds like a bunch of high schoolers.

I can not imagine being in my 20s still and thinking what people think of the phone i use, matters but i digress.

At this point, I almost wish Apple would release iMessage on Android and charge $50 a month to use it lol.
Android users are so desperate to use it, they apparently will do whatever it takes to get it lmfao. Might as well exploit the needy. Easy 5 million bucks made right there if we go off beeper's 100K users

Now THAT would be anti-competitive. Exploiting Android users for an exorbitant amount while Apple users get it free.
 
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scorpio vega said:
I am telling people to download an app if group chats and pic quality is that much of an issue to whine about and blame IOS users, yes.

Becuase you have that option. Hacking into iMessage, I dont.

Most of the people here likely already have one of the many popular messaging apps. Which means your friends likely also have that same app so that is a weak argument.
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It’s not weak! You’re assuming everyone is capable of negotiating the process. I’ll give you an example. Both my parents have iPhones and barely know how to use them (elderly couple). They have enough know how to open messages, say hi, respond to what they need to and be done. There’s no settings, adjustments or any other minutia that comes with 3rd party apps. The “it just works” is the genius in play with Apple.
For me or anyone like me to have to call and say “hey mom…open AppStore, download WhatsApp, so you can group chat with me, Kevin and Carley”….Are you kidding me!? “What’s AppStore, what’s this Apple ID, says I need a password….is that in that book you gave me…blah blah.”
Point is, it’s not so easy for everyone as it is the rest of us. My situation isn’t unique.
 
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mrat93 said:
Yessir I pirate everything! A pirate’s life 4 me!!

I haven’t used pirated software in probably over 10 years, aside from retro games which aren’t available elsewhere.

Just because you can install apps without Apple holding your hand on Android, doesn’t make the platform synonymous with piracy.
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I am all for pirating older software if it was purchased. Prime examples are the Wii U e-shop and other services that have been shut down, Sony I think too. If you paid for digital games and can no longer re-download or access them, that is thievery and stealing by the company. But do you see any uproar or legal action being taken here? Nope. God forbid someone downloads a retro game from 1995, the FBI will knock on your door. I’m exaggerating obviously, but you get my point. So I have no problem pirating in this scenario and encourage it. Screw these companies.
 
Gix1k said:
It’s not weak! You’re assuming everyone is capable of negotiating the process. I’ll give you an example. Both my parents have iPhones and barely know how to use them (elderly couple). They have enough know how to open messages, say hi, respond to what they need to and be done. There’s no settings, adjustments or any other minutia that comes with 3rd party apps. The “it just works” is the genius in play with Apple.
For me or anyone like me to have to call and say “hey mom…open AppStore, download WhatsApp, so you can group chat with me, Kevin and Carley”….Are you kidding me!? “What’s AppStore, what’s this Apple ID, blah blah.”
Point is, it’s not so easy for everyone as it is the rest of us. My situation isn’t unique.
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Okay cool.

So you are implying your Parents and not capanble of learning? Or are you saying you dont have the patience to teach them. Because that's either offensive or just plain lazy.

my grandmother (God rest her soul) was in her 70s using an iPhone as well and after spending time showing her how to use it and messenger she figured it out.

My grandfather is pushing 80 and as old and ornery as he is, I was able to get the man onto the Apple TV and off off Directv paying $200 a month.

My mother is not elderly by any means (53) and she used to be very anti-tech and I had to hold her hand. I remember i came back from Japan after a year and it shocked me she now was able to not only go shop for her own phones but she actually doesnt need me to hold her hand to use apps. She installed RIng camera by herself. Download this app or that app...by herself. 10 years ago she wouldnt have been able to do that.

The point being is, you are making excuses. But i'll play devil's advocate. I am not talking about(and most people here) are not talking about Mom and Dad or our grandparents who aren't going to know what green or blue means.

We are talking about people under 50.

People that can and likely already use multiple messaging apps.
 
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Harthag said:
I am all for pirating older software if it was purchased. Prime examples are the Wii U e-shop and other services that have been shut down, Sony I think too. If you paid for digital games and can no longer re-download or access them, that is thievery and stealing by the company. But do you see any uproar or legal action being taken here? Nope. God forbid someone downloads a retro game from 1995, the FBI will knock on your door. I’m exaggerating obviously, but you get my point. So I have no problem pirating in this scenario and encourage it. Screw these companies.
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Yes we have seen proven how much you are about stealing from the big bad monsters that are out to get us lol.
 
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