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It's really simple.

1 Drag in your music, trim the first ten seconds.
2 Drag in the music again after that, trim it to the other chunk

Done.

That's not really what I am talking about. I know you can do "trimming" or whatever they are calling it now. However, it is done in an entirely different interface which makes it much more difficult to sync/cut than it would in a timeline. Waveforms below the actual video is the best/easiest way to do this.

I'm not saying it may be as fast for you or that you will like it as much. I just take issue with saying "CAN'T BE DONE" which is flat out wrong.

If we're playing lawyerball I suppose I have to give there. Although I would liken it to being forced to use a stick and some twigs to start a fire when I used to have a perfectly good flamethrower for the same task. It can be done, but it's so inefficient that most people probably won't bother.

Or is your objection having to drag it in again? I don't see what the problem is since it's not like it makes another copy of the song or something.

It was fast and easy, now it's tedious and inefficient. That's the problem. All these extra steps and somehow it's heralded as easier. Selecting video in '08 is certainly easier. Audio, not so much.

And for the record, I haven't claimed that the dialogue box is faster and easier than rubberbanding (although your description isn't really accurate since rubberbanding usually requires creating points at the beginning and ends of the parts where you want to change the volume). I just dispute the false claim that you can't edit audio or set audio volumes.

That's for one global edit to any volume track. Wash, rinse, repeat the steps I listed for additional changes. So if you have a stretch of 10 clips over 10 seconds it's 2 clicks in '06 and 40 clicks in '08 (unless there is a select all that I have missed, and I sure hope that's the case). How is that easy?

I generally like 08, but there certainly is room for improvement. I hope they add more features, I think it's a nice interface and they can put some things back in without making it less intuitive and end up with a better app than 06. But in the meantime, I think it's pointless to be dishonest about what the app can do and insist that things are impossible when they clearly aren't.

I generally like it too. There are just some questionable design choices that I hope are remedied in point releases or something like an "iMovie Pro/Director's Cut". FCE doesn't fit this purpose and it's laughable that people are so quick to suggest that it does.
 
If you can't set chapter markers how do you export to iDVD and produce a movie with chapters??

I think I just dragged the movie from Movie 08 into my iDVD project.

Setting chapter markers in iDVD
Within iDVD, you can add chapter markers to a movie that does not already have them. Chapter markers are necessary if you want to have a scene selection menu, just like commercial DVDs have, which allows viewers to go directly to specific scenes in your movie.

To set chapter markers in a movie:

Open a project and select the movie you want to add chapter markers to by clicking the button that links to it once.

Choose Advanced > “Create Chapter Markers for Movie.”

Click the up and down arrows in the dialog that appears to specify the frequency of chapter markers, in minutes, in the movie.

You can also type a number in the text field.

Click OK.

Now, when you double-click the name of the movie on the main menu, you access a submenu with Play Movie and Scene Selection buttons. When you click the Scene Selection button, you link to another menu that has a button to access each of the “chapters” you just created.

After chapter markers are placed, you can’t change them. Chapter markers are visible to viewers only via a scene selection menu. If you decide you want to ignore your chapter markers, simply select the Scene Selection button by clicking it once, and then press the Delete key.

Note that you can add chapter markers to more than one movie at a time by selecting multiple movies in your DVD menu before you choose Advanced > “Create Chapter Markers for Movie.”
 
It "Would Have" probably been better to send this comment via private message. Maybe I "Should Have" sent this as a private message to you. Online forums are not a great place for grammar police.
Arguably, "It 'Would Have' probably been better to send this comment via private message. Maybe I 'Should Have' sent this as a private message to you. Online forums are not a great place for grammar police" police.
 
I think iMovie 08 is a serious step backwards...

Sure, it's faster, but taking away the timeline? And effects? Etc.

Definitely will not be getting iLife 08.......at least, not until I get a new Mac, whenever that is!

Best,

Bob
 
Chapter Markers

Setting chapter markers in iDVD
Within iDVD, you can add chapter markers to a movie that does not already have them. Chapter markers are necessary if you want to have a scene selection menu, just like commercial DVDs have, which allows viewers to go directly to specific scenes in your movie.

The method you describe only places chapter markers at set intervals, which may not be of much use to people who want chapter markers at specific points. You can easily set custom chapter markers in GarageBand. As I have been learning iMovie '08, I have been writing up how to do stuff like this in a little blog. Here is the post on doing chapter markers in GarageBand:

http://imovie08.blogspot.com/2007/08/how-to-add-chapter-markers.html

Disclaimer: I do put ads up on this blog.
 
Instead of bitching here or in addition rather, everyone with a problem with the new iMovie should complain loudly and daily using this link to the form which is also available inside iMovie under he iMovie Menu:

"Provide iMovie Feedback" :)

Be a squeaky wheel to get iMovie 6.0.4 features put back in iMovie 7.1 or 7 features added to iMovie 6.1

Done!.

Thank you for reminding me I had a means of venting my feelings and thoughts! :(

Squeak - squeak - SQUEAK!!!
 
I for one are not happy with the new iMovie 08 app, I'd never done any video editing when I started using iMovie 06 and I found it very easy, it's pathetic to see the Apple Apologists convincing themeless that the removal of features that they once likely claimed to PC users to be fantastic example of what Apple and Mac is about.

Yes iMovie 06 does remain on the HDD and now as a download (but only for iLife 08 users) but how long do you think that Apple will allow us to keep using the software? FCP and FCE are 'industry' orientated apps, they have a steep learning curve and a heavy price, they are NOT aimed at the home user, iMovie 06 was designed for that, iMovie 08 is a comedown intended for the 'casual YouTube generation'.

I bet Adobe and Microsoft are rubbing their hands over this stumble by Apple, there is now a gap in the market that most likely Adobe will exploit. And don't exspect that there will be upgrades or enhancements to iMovie 08 forget it this is the new iMovie and there will be no going back, the fun and creative app that was once held up with pride is over.

I don't know about others but I say, screw the YouTube generation I will likely move to PC's for video editing when iMovie 06 support is dropped.
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I think I just dragged the movie from Movie 08 into my iDVD project.

Setting chapter markers in iDVD
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Thanks AJ. Considering how lively this forum is it's surprisingly difficult to get an answer sometimes, even posting in different threads. :(

The procedure sounds completely different and, I'm afraid to say, not exactly easier. Guess I'll have to try it for real. :)
 
- Almost no one uses chapter markers, ever. This is only usefull if you are making a DVD which is actually rather difficult to do with the old iMovie in that the integration with iDVD is rather poor (in the old version). The number of our users that end up making DVD's out of their projects is a tiny fraction. Most users want to make a movie for a class project in an afternoon or less.

Most iMovie users I know make DVDs, and MUST have chapters. Some plan to switch to Windows for Movie Editing.

Very Easy to make a DVD in iMovie 06, Click Share > iDVD.

After several days of experimenting with iMovie 08 I have found that I cannot use it. I have gone back to iMovie 06. With no ability to set Chapters where desired (without using Garageband!) no timeline editing and no sharing with iDVD I found the program unusable.

* No timeline
* No granularity--only global audio changes allowed
* No chapter markers for iDVD
* No Share to iDVD
* Loss of multiple audio tracks
* Loss of plugin support
* Cannot change transition speed after inserting a transition without making global changes
* No audio waveforms
* Cannot vary clip speed
* No pause control for titles
* Cannot play audio over black
* Cannot select a sequence of clips to move elsewhere within the movie
* Cannot overlap audio tracks (again...no multiple tracks)
* No themes (they WERE amazing)
* Cannot extract audio (of course, you can't do much of ANYTHING with audio in this thing)
* Cannot import projects from older versions without losing, well...everything important.

But what if you want those missing capabilities? Apple has a great video-editing program for you: it's called iMovie HD (iMovie 06).

I am confident that Apple will eventually correct this mistake. (I understand that Apple has made iMovie 06 a free download for owners of iMovie 08!) I believe that the best course of action would be for Apple to continue upgrading iMovie 06 (iMovie HD) with full support for iDVD and DVD burning. Rename iMovie 08 (iVideo?) for small, quick little videos or slideshows for absolute beginners that don't want to burn a DVD.
 
Learn the iMovie 08 mouse and everything good!

Cut my first video in iMovie 08 and found that I didn't need to render as much to do a standard title and sound set. (Selecting things to title requires a special ditty with the mouse)

When I did render, much faster! Apple needed to ditch iMovie HD without canabilizing Final Cut Express.

Very nice! I don't know what what people are complaining about besides change. The content is what counts and time is money.

:)
 
iMovie thoughts

I've been reading most of this discussion and find the topic really interesting. Over the past 12 years I've edited on Premiere, media 100, AVID, Final Cut Pro, flatbeds, and tape to tape video editing systems. All that I can say about imovie 08 is that it's really refreshing to see some innovation happening in a pretty tired timeline based editing paradigm. iMovie 08, while not perfect for everyone is a relly interesting and intuitive approach to editing. Working on it with a new 24" imac and tablet is really nice. Lightning fast, quick ability to view selections, none of the garbage effects from earlier versions of iMovie. It actually has rel color correction ow. I find that much more useful for any level of video maker than an emboss or hatch tone effect.

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned it before, but the ability to send you iMovie project to fcp as xml is really awesome. I gave it a shot and it worked flawlessly. I know it won't appease most users of imove, but I could see it being a great way to rough cutting and make assembly edits in certain cases.

As for some of the audio concerns, those are really valid and should be addressed. Perhaps an export to garageband feature for more detailed audio work, or the ability to sync to garage band for audio work.

I'm sure that this program will evolve to address the concerns about some lost functionality. I'm looking forward to seeing what the limits are and how far you can push it. at least creatively, within the restraints.

Also the media management is a really big deal. I think it makes alot of sense to integrate it into the software, something that Final Cut Pro doesn't do very well. It is definitely more of an AVID style media management approach, but consolidation of digital media is practical especially for people that don't want to deal with media management.

I just don't understand why I can't select more than one clip at a time.

just my 2 cents
 
Thanks AJ. Considering how lively this forum is it's surprisingly difficult to get an answer sometimes, even posting in different threads. :(

The procedure sounds completely different and, I'm afraid to say, not exactly easier. Guess I'll have to try it for real. :)

You are quite welcome! Yes, with all of the lively banter about iMovie 08 sometimes things get lost in the shuffle ;)
 
I think iMovie 08 is a serious step backwards...

Sure, it's faster, but taking away the timeline? And effects? Etc.

Definitely will not be getting iLife 08.......at least, not until I get a new Mac, whenever that is!

Best,

Bob

That's a shame bob - your missing out - really big time.

iMovie 8 is seriously awesome piece of s/w and in 6 months time when the hoo-haar has died down people will begin to understand just how seriously great this is.

I promise I'm not exaggerating when I say that I've just done a project in 50 mins on my iMac and iMovie 8 which took half a day on a fast modern dell using Pinnacle Studio 10 - AND the results are better. The product was a joy ( unlike studio) and the contextual 'clip' orientated timeline is just so nice. No more farting about zooming and shrinking to see the whole project. No waiting for transitions to render or gaps appearing and screwing up the synch. All that tedious crapola has been eradicated.

Band Stretch, 'Time adjust each clip' - transitions clearly shown between clips - all these simple little contextual elements per clip make clean video creation s fast and awesome

Anyone bitching about lack of functionality is already at Final Cut Express level and is no longer exclusively focused on delivering refined polished content quickly, easily and professionally. They have ascended to the ranks of video artistry that is no longer simply that OF CONTENT DELIVERY but that of it's technical application within the video genre - if you take my drift. Your a seriously crap of a long way from everyday folks making good fun movies.

I'd be seriously bummed to have to go back to the clunky old imovie 6/Pinnacle Studio way of movie making - but then I'm just doing it for fun...and I promise movie making has NEVER been more fun than it is with this package.
 
After a couple of days...

Hello, some feedback after a couple of days of playing around with the new software...

Well, I like it. I do agree a timeline could be useful (although I don't know where it would fit in the new approach), and better sound controls, as well as a few effects (or at least plug-in capacity).

But for the rest, it's very nice. I think I start to find my way, and understand how to approach my work. Of course, thinking in an "iMovie 6" way for an iMovie 8 project is frustrating, but if you accept the change, well, the "iMovie 8" way is very nice and intuitive.

Most of my work is to make something out of 1h long shots (covering Aikido trainings mostly), so there is not too much creativity involved, whereas the time needed is consequent. But I think that attributing keywords to sections of video, and choosing a view mode only showing this keyword is way more powerful than the old trimming version.

I'm seriously looking forward to my new projects. Whereas I was getting frustrated of doing them under iMovie 06, confusing, awful backup options.

NB: Regarding effects, I'll mention the anecdote of my own wedding - we had to struggle with the "video-artist" to have a version of the video without too many effects. The "artist" thought that the more effects, the more varied, made for the best video. Honnestly: it didn't. Simplicity and continuity might be more important sometimes. In the end, the artist gave us a "light" version of the video, but had to also add a full-effects version. In case we'd change our minds...
 
New iLife 08 commercial?

iLife 08 commercial?

It's Mac and PC. There is a sharply dressed woman executive standing next to Mac, she's iLife 06. Mac hands her a pinks slip. "Sorry 06 we have to let you go." And 06 says says "But I thought I was doing so good!" And Mac says "You were great but we need to upgrade"

A stereotypical bubble headed blond with a great body giggles her way on to the screen. Mac "Meet iLife 08!" 06 "This is my upgrade?" Mac, "Yeah, doesn't she look great?" PC "Wow! Now this is more like it! Say Mac think you can get me a date?"

In the second spot with 08 giggling and filing her nails, PC asks her "So are you as compatable as 06" 08 "I dunno know." PC "Do you have any special effects?" 08 "Huh?" PC "Would you like to see my Vista?" 08 "Okay!"
 
I balked at first but, after playing with iMovie 08 I've decided that, overall, I like it better than the previous installment. The only thing I miss are the plug ins. I particularly like skimming. It makes editing so much easier and IMHO more precise. I had to keep reminding myself that this was not an update to the previous iMovie but a program written from the ground up.

There's a nice review here:
http://www.macworld.com/2007/08/reviews/imovie08/index.php
 
How is this easier?

I'm a bit confused and haven't used either iMovie too muh. Excluding skimming, on-clip trimming and the new media browser because they could have just been tagged on to iMovie 06 (without eliminating the timeline), how is the new iMovie easier to use? What is easier about this new picturebook paradigm? To me, it seems like it' just a timeline with images and lacking layers. This is an honest question. Is this new paradigm easier for you and if so why?

Also check out this article about the new iMovie: http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2007/08/did_apple_hurt.html

BTW: The problem with FCE is that it's just a feature disabled version of FCP. The program is meant for prosumers but it's not any easier to use and the interface is not targeting this group.
 
I tend to use iMovie to do dvd slideshows for wedding photographers, and a big thing was the ability to fade music out, or one track into another.

This is a huge feature to drop - surely a soundtrack is an important part of any movie, even a basic one, so to drop the ability to fade the audio in and out to fit your video is crazy. It's not a nice feature to have - surely it's an essential feature?

Having had a quick look at 08 on a new 24" iMac, it does look great, and the skimming is superb - but all it really needs is a timeline view. Then you can either use it as it is, or if you want to use some of the missing features, you could just switch to the timeline view. By all means tart it up a bit so it looks as great as the rest of 08, but there's really no excuse to drop it.

One question tho' - when you drop transitions in now - or even photos with the ken burns effect added - are they just done instantly now without encoding?

I know this is late but iMovie '08 DOES do fading in and out of Audio Tracks. You just have to look under the hood. Also.. Yes.. they are done without encoding.. much faster in than iMovie '06
 
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