iMovie 3.0.2 Update

[shadowfax]

Re: Re: Hmm

Originally posted by MacQuest
iMovie 3 is free, genius.🙄

You pay $50 for iDVD3.

Well worth the price IMO, for the tight integration between the 4 iApps that iLife brings.

he never said iMovie cost 50$. he said he wouldn't pay 50 for it. have you ever heard the expression, "well that's neat, but i wouldn't pay money for it!"? i think that's what the guy was saying.

if you have a DVD recorder, iLife is certainly worth it, but i don't see the need for it for myself, not having a superdrive.

 

[MacQuest]

Re: Hmm

Originally posted by altivec 2003
...I do have imove 3. It seems okay, but I wouldn't pay 50$ for it.

To people reading this post, and who may not know that this is referring to the iLife bundle, it sounds like there is a $50 charge for iMovie 3.

Originally posted by Shadowfax
he [altivec 2003] never said iMovie cost 50$. he said he wouldn't pay 50 for it.

Do you not see how this message may be misconstrued?

Originally posted by Shadowfax
have you ever heard the expression, "well that's neat, but i wouldn't pay money for it!"?

Yeah, but that has nothing to do with what I was saying. The post was grossly misworded, and therefore misleading.

Originally posted by Shadowfax
i think that's what the guy was saying.

I am glad that you think that this is what he meant, and I can see it that way too, only because I know better.

However, I also can see how it can be taken out of context.

Originally posted by Shadowfax
if you have a DVD recorder, iLife is certainly worth it, but i don't see the need for it for myself, not having a superdrive.

Exactly, which is why I was making sure that everyone was clear on the fact that iDVD3 was the only app you pay $50 for.

 

[shadowfax]

Re: Re: Hmm

Originally posted by MacQuest

Do you not see how this message may be misconstrued?

sorry, man, no offense. i was just trying to point out that it would be much nicer to try to construe his words so that you didn't treat him like an idiot ("genius.🙄"). i can see how he could be misunderstood, of course, i am just saying, i think you have to go just as far out of the way to construe it the way you did as you would to take my interpretation. i think it's better to assume the best about people first, unless you have prior reason to assume so, which i don't for altivec 2003. perhaps you do? i don't know.

Jaguar is a pretty cool OS, but i wouldn't pay $400 for it. 😉

 

[christof69]

Oh dear, getting silly

OK, just a little word as an old mac user and great believer in Apple software.

iMovie 3 is obviously well and truly flawed. When you get so many thousands of dissatisfied users, how are you gonna get people to switch?

I've used iMovie 2 for ages. It's fast, free, intuitive and you can make fab DVDs with it. What issues could have been addressed? Audio management, Apple plug-ins to replace 3rd party ones, another video track maybe (or maybe that's FC Express territory), better import/export/export to iDVD options, etc etc

Some of these have been addressed in iMovie 3, but we've now got a completely rewritten app that's very buggy, jerky, slow, flawed (yup, Ken Burns on all the time) and TOO keen on being intercompatible with the iLife apps. Many many people (me included) have reverted back to iMovie 2. Sure, Apple WILL fix this mess, and apart from 20% of all the posts on all the Mac sites and forums I've seen, most are unhappy and really disappointed that something hugely anticipated has actually been released like this.

So iDVD 3.1 will be great (easily worth the £39/$49) and I reckon iPhoto 2.0.1 and iMovie 3.0.4 say will all make a Windows killer suite. Juust that for us discerning Apple users, it's really disappointing.

That's all.

 

[MacQuest]

Re: Re: Re: Hmm

Originally posted by Shadowfax
sorry, man, no offense. i was just trying to point out that it would be much nicer to try to construe his words so that you didn't treat him like an idiot ("genius.🙄")

It's cool Shadowfax.

Maybe the "genius" part was a little harsh [bad mood, got the flu...].

Sorry altivec 2003.

I'll edit my post.🙂

 

[TomGoodwin1]

iMovie 3 trouble

I am one having iMovie 3 trouble on a PowerBook G4 500 mhz, 512 RAM, OS X 10.1.5 (supported by iMovie 3). Troubles include unusable, choppy audio/video when exported back to mini-DV tape through my Sony TRV17 camcorder. This includes projects made originally in iMovie 2 and imported to 3, and projects made from scratch in IM 3. I also find the Ken Burns effect poorly implemented (rather jerky pan/zoom effects), and wish it could be turned off.

In contrast, iMovie 2 works like a charm on all Macs I have access too.

 

[nickgold]

You'd think that more of the "armchair video experts" would --

a) pretty much not EVER use a point-oh release for ANYTHING consequential

b) not switch versions of the app in the MIDDLE of a project, which is always stupid no matter what kind of multimedia work you do on your machine

c) wait for a few early adopters to turn in bug reports before even messing with the program, to see if now is the time to switch, or maybe, just maybe, they should wait a month or two

Apple is a technology company like any other. Sometimes major new releases have bugs (which do not, by the way, seem to be universally affecting people).

The godlike status many folks seem to imbue the company with is ridiculous -- all brand new software has bugs, somewhere, and Apple is not immune to this reality.

I think it's pretty easy to assume Apple will fix the bugs, polish up some new features, and soon enough, iMovie 3 will kick the pants off of iMovie 2. Let us not forget that iMovie 2 itself has some problems.

 

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by nickgold
Let us not forget that iMovie 2 itself has some problems.

That's a good point. i was rolling my eyes reading those posts by people praising iM2 and trashing 3. I like that it doesn't take over my entire computer. moving to a less demanding implementation of this app, i can understand that weird things are afoot for some folks. but iMovie 2's monopolization of my computer annoyed me a lot more than anything i have seen in 3.

 

[kas95125]

Has anyone else encountered the clip renaming bug? Very often, when I try to rename a clip in the clip tray, the new name doesn't stick; it's taken me 3 or 4 attempts in some cases to successfully change a clip name. Also, sometimes when I move a clip to a new location in the tray, an identical, duplicate clip will just "drop down" out of the sky into the former location. Strange.

I also agree with the earlier post suggesting that the UI is beginning to take on a more "PCish" look (e.g., the buttons look "flatter" in this new release), which I personally could've done without (although it should be stated that I was among the minority who disliked the new dialogue box buttons introduced in Jaguar -- again, too "flat").

 

[Windowlicker]

it sucks.

it's slow (on G4/733 with 640MB of RAM) and unstable.. nothing else to say. the ideas of the shared music/photo libraries are really good and work pretty well, but I wasn't able to import aiff files but I actually had to make mp3s of them first ? just to name one problem..

I'm happy I won't have to do any movies in the near future, but I really hope they release an update for it asap.

 

[finleymac]

I don't really understand what everybody is complaining about. iMovie 3 is all overall a great update First of all, the program was free! It not like you had to cough-up $50 dollars for it. Also the user interface is much better than iMovie 2; and performance wise I have felt no change in speed on my MDD Dual 867.

I do think it hogs more RAM. I have 1 gig of RAM, and for all of you with older G3's I recommend Maxing out the RAM.

 

[walliver]

We have a right to complain

To those who say that I shouldn't complain about iMovie 3, remember that iMovie 3 showed up in software update. We didn't go looking for it, it came looking for us. Also, iMovie 3 erased iMovie 2 for most users (Fortunately, I still have a copy of iM2 on another partition). This means that users who wished to try iMovie 3 cannot easily go back to iMovie 2.

Yes, it's free, but it is an upgrade that is difficult for some users to undo.

For me, it's speed performance is reasonable, although slower than iM2; but, there are a number of bugs including:

Two different bugs with A/V sync (the old bug where audio and video are out of sync after 30 minutes, and a new bug where audio and video can go out of sync after applying a transition in a project with extra audio tracks)

Unusual behavior when using stills (I suspect the Ken Burns Effect is always on to hide this bug)

The clips in the timeline can easily get out of sync with the playhead.

Some users seem to have avoided these, but they are all well documented in the Apple iMovie discussion forum.

 

[MPieki]

Re: Oh dear, getting silly

"OK, just a little word as an old mac user and great believer in Apple software. "

Same here, using Mac form Apple IIc (1985/6) and first time getting negatively amazed with Apple software upgrade. And because of the nature of complaints I see it more seriously than many who post here or in other groups.
First it is not an upgrade - looks to me like it is new application from ground up. I installed iM3 from download (not system upgrade ) and my old iM2 wasn't touch except that is invisible. But I still can open it so I'm worked on few project using both apps. iMovie3 looks like beta version of new app.

It has things I'm eager to use - like integration with iPhoto and iTunes. But doesn't matter how badly I want to use it, choppy play backs, jerky effects, general slugginesh of application (after every click on function it is moment - second or two -of hesitation in the response) - irritate me a lot. It is just not pleasant to work in iM3.
Even if the program would run fast I am still surprised with changes to the GUI which are very not 'apple like'. It less intuitive, introduce additional steps to the previous one click operations, inconsistency in using graphics and colors - example: different colors and graphics for transition icons in transition panel and timeline, different colors of selected icons in timeline and clips and part of clip when in preview window, one effect in photos panel rest effects in effect panel, etc.

Apple should be embarrassed and I hope they are working on upgrade with full speed but I'm afraid it will take more time than we think. If it is all new application they cannot revers some of the future just to iMovie2 they will have to work on improved code for iM3 or really go back to iM2 and do the typical upgrade.

Somebody in this forum compared this upgrade to WindowsXP and win98 in terms of necessity to upgrade hardware for proper use of new operating system. I do not agree with that at all. Yes, drastic change of operating systems - like osX and os9 will force hardware upgrade but never introducing upgrade to one of the applications. I can't buy FCPro because of my computer limitations - and that's OK with me. I have no problem if Apple will introduce iMovie 3 for Dual G4 only or whatever, but don't brake excellent apps for G3 like iMovie 2 - just upgrade it.

Mark🙄

 

[New Guy]

Does anyone else have a problem with the fact that only the photos that are in an iPhoto photo album can be seen in iMovie. I have most of my pictures only in my iPhoto library. I only make photo albums of the special ones because I don't feel like taking the time to put every single picture in an album.

Apple should make the entire library available in iMovie like it does with iTunes.

 

[dnelsongb]

Re: Re: Oh dear, getting silly

Originally posted by MPieki
"OK, just a little word as an old mac user and great believer in Apple software. "

Same here, using Mac form Apple IIc (1985/6) and first time getting negatively amazed with Apple software upgrade. And because of the nature of complaints I see it more seriously than many who post here or in other groups.
First it is not an upgrade - looks to me like it is new application from ground up. I installed iM3 from download (not system upgrade ) and my old iM2 wasn't touch except that is invisible. But I still can open it so I'm worked on few project using both apps. iMovie3 looks like beta version of new app.

It has things I'm eager to use - like integration with iPhoto and iTunes. But doesn't matter how badly I want to use it, choppy play backs, jerky effects, general slugginesh of application (after every click on function it is moment - second or two -of hesitation in the response) - irritate me a lot. It is just not pleasant to work in iM3.
Even if the program would run fast I am still surprised with changes to the GUI which are very not 'apple like'. It less intuitive, introduce additional steps to the previous one click operations, inconsistency in using graphics and colors - example: different colors and graphics for transition icons in transition panel and timeline, different colors of selected icons in timeline and clips and part of clip when in preview window, one effect in photos panel rest effects in effect panel, etc.

Apple should be embarrassed and I hope they are working on upgrade with full speed but I'm afraid it will take more time than we think. If it is all new application they cannot revers some of the future just to iMovie2 they will have to work on improved code for iM3 or really go back to iM2 and do the typical upgrade.

Somebody in this forum compared this upgrade to WindowsXP and win98 in terms of necessity to upgrade hardware for proper use of new operating system. I do not agree with that at all. Yes, drastic change of operating systems - like osX and os9 will force hardware upgrade but never introducing upgrade to one of the applications. I can't buy FCPro because of my computer limitations - and that's OK with me. I have no problem if Apple will introduce iMovie 3 for Dual G4 only or whatever, but don't brake excellent apps for G3 like iMovie 2 - just upgrade it.

Mark🙄

I CONCUR WITH EVERY WORD YOU SAID! I too am an old avid apple user (OAAU). Your words were carefully chosen, and heartfelt. I just yell and scream and rant and rave. So you are my opposite and we still agree. Only the real avid users of iMovie truely appreciate the original. I've heard people actually say, iMovie 3 works great on their beige g3 and blue and white tower. I had to see this. After witnessing what they had proclaimed, I just shook my head in disgust, it worked like crap. I reloaded iMovie 2 and they were amazed. I quote "Wow, iMovie 2 works even better now."

Apple you have some fixin' to do. It's funny how you develop a product that looks, feels and works great. BUT! you always seem to trip when you start to pick up speed. I cant expect perfection but when you brag about it, you better have something to back it up. I just wish Apple would also quit giving early release dates, and pulling such Microsoft stunts such as releasing a product even though its not exactly what you wanted to distribute. Although MS may do this without realizing it, I would expect Apple to certainly learn by MS's mistakes.

I don't mind waiting if the product needs improvement. I think I speak on behalf of the entire apple community!

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by New Guy
Does anyone else have a problem with the fact that only the photos that are in an iPhoto photo album can be seen in iMovie. I have most of my pictures only in my iPhoto library. I only make photo albums of the special ones because I don't feel like taking the time to put every single picture in an album.

Apple should make the entire library available in iMovie like it does with iTunes.

When you click onthe "photos" button there is a pull down menu (above the thumb nails, and below the Ken Burns controls) that allows you to select the library, albums, or your last import.


Lethal

 

[New Guy]

Sorry Lethal. Had a bit of a brain fart there.

Craig


Note to self: purchase clue.

 

[behindthecamera]

Re: Re: Re: Oh dear, getting silly

Originally posted by dnelsongb

I don't mind waiting if the product needs improvement. I think I speak on behalf of the entire apple community!

For all of those who think that the complaints about iMovie 3 are unwarranted, please check out This review. In part, it reads: "Apple is shipping, in all its new machines and in shrink-wrapped boxes across the world, a piece of software that is in an unfinished state. It is pre-beta: if they were charging money for it, they would be facing demands for refunds (and, in fact, it is sold as part of the broader iLife package). Worse still (for them) they appeared to have replaced a perfectly sound, much-loved piece of software in iMovie 2 with this horror show."

I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[BigJayhawk]

To be Fair . . .

Has anyone stopped to consider that Apple ALREADY KNOWS THERE ARE FLAWS?

Not to sound overly simplistic, HOWEVER, the quest for "switchers" is very competitive right now. When compared to Windoze counterparts (it's sad to say) but even iMovie 3 is a killer app.

The key to iMovie 3 is the it just works TOGETHER approach that Apple is pushing and that is completely unavailable on Windoze. I use both XP and OSX regularly the Apps is where a consumer can be "wowed" into switching (as we certainly can't rely on our Mhz ratings).

This is a relatively new, free (and yes, I -- and Apple, I'm sure -- would concur with the upgrade issues from iMovie 2), App that may be CURRENLTY flawed. However, in the BIGGER PICTURE, the iLife aspect adds a lot of power to sell to switchers.

Come on people, we sit in these forums and RUSH, RUSH, RUSH, RUSH, RUSH (get the point) Apple to release updates virtually daily (it used to be amazing if monthly updates were available) and yet we expect ALL of them to be perfect.

I think I'll back down from the Apple and Steve Jobs are GODS and consider them as simple DEMI-GODS that may very well know they've created some FIXABLE issues with a new and powerful weapon in the "switchers" arsenal.

 

[dricci]

I'd be interested to see the number of iMovie 3 users that are having problems who are up to date on all system updates (10.2.4, QuickTime 6.1, repaired permissions recently, etc.) as recommended by the iMovie installer. iMovie 3 is just as fast as iMovie 2 for me on my eMac 800, 512 MB Ram and QuickTime 6.1.

 

[nicos]

imovie and DVin

I more or less agree with all that is said about iMovie 3.

I could add one thing: worse DVin for unsupported camcorders.

I use a JVC GRL-DV 357 that is not officially supported by iMovie. I only found that out by chance, as I have never had a problem with iMovie 2. Now DV-in is a much more troublesome operation and I can't rely on the controls of iM3.

One question however: can I have both versions of iM working on my HD (not partitioned) as I have seen/read some do?

nicos

 

[Fastlane]

FCE is as slow as iMovie 3

These new products take me back 10 years when doing anything with video was a slow process.

 

[christof69]

Still silly... excuse this dull point but....

In response to the last post and reading everyone's thoughts on iMovie 3, something rather clear comes to mind. If Final Cut Express is as slow as iMovie 3, and if they're both rewritten apps in "native Mac OS X" (Cocoa), maybe Apple's software department isn't very good (or sufficiently experienced) in writing in this 'new' language.......otherwise how could a superfast stable product (iMovie 2 on Mac OS 9) and a quite fast stable product (iMovie 2 on 10.2) turn so completely crap? EVERYTHING is flawed with it, from the huge download (85% of which is International pdf ReadMe's!) to the IMO worse interface....the new window sizing Would be good, the iLife intercompatibility and Ken Burns should be good additions BUT with all the old features worsened, what's the point?

Would love to hear about any other poor Carbon to Cocoa rewrites.....

 

[MPieki]

Re: imovie and DVin

Originally posted by nicos
I more or less agree with all that is said about iMovie 3.

One question however: can I have both versions of iM working on my HD (not partitioned) as I have seen/read some do?

nicos

Yes, you can. At least this is my experience. I have both on my HD in application folder - one named iM2 and second iM3. I open same project sometimes in one sometimes in other application but that can be problem because some of the effect or transitions don't work in both applications. Otherwise I didn't have any problems.
Mark

 

[Freakk123]

iMovie 3.0.2

"iMovie 3.0.2 has been released in your Mac OS X Software Update. Per previous reports Apple appears to have addressed performance and stability:

This software update provides improved performance and stability with iMovie 3.

For more information on iMovie, see http://www.apple.com/imovie

The requirements for iMovie 3.0.2 are:

* QuickTime 6.1 or later
* Macintosh computer with PowerPC G3 or G4 processor (700 MHz or greater G3 recommended)
* 256MB of physical RAM
* Mac OS X v10.1.5 or later (Mac OS X v10.2.4 or later recommended)
* 1024 x 768 screen resolution or higher "

Thought people would like to know.