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In a meeting, and need to take notes, etc.
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Makes a huge difference imho. I don't like hand writing notes but I use it to sign documents, basic photo editing, basic design, mind mapping, and more. Helps provide accuracy and is better than other styluses due to this.
In case you still don't understand why people consider it unprofessional if folks take business notes on their private, no-work-controlled phones, let me know. I have tried to explain you the point of view now, in detail.
What's the point of this whole thread then if the device is controlled by what the company sees fit? There will be no choice to make...
You may be 95% of the way to a laptop replacement, but with all of that you've spent 150% more than a laptop.
I've been using an iPad for notes since the iPad 1. I still can't find a stylus/pencil notes app I like as without handwriting recognition you just can't search your notes. Without being able to search, I'm better off with a moleskin and good pen. Or typing them into the tablet. And at that point a laptop has a better keyboard and is more versatile in meetings when the CFO launches into a multi-tabbed balance sheet.
I'm not a Microsoft fan but living in a mixed OS environment I've found a OneNote to be about the best I've found. Works flawlessly across devices and well integrated into Office apps. Makes it easy for me to turn notes into a Word outline or PowerPoint template.
YMMV....
OneNote on the PC has a great and very accurate import tool to import your EverNote entries (even those with lists and attachments) into One Note) on PC and Mac OneNote has incredible support for a plethora of ad-ones many of which are free and shown on iOS / Android.
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I get the feeling you've only worked for a SoHo or small business not an enterprise am I right?
The best explanation provided why not to use a smartphone for taking notes was excellently provided. It's not only the personal privacy nature of the iPhone but also that you're limited. For some typing speed, others: head facing down over the tiny device along with that body nature shows someone who most likely is ignoring you. An old exec/mgr may even state since you cannot feel the keys you cannot type blind. Either way the iPad gives you more screen real estate to type (keyboard) draw and use two apps at the same time. You can't do that as effeociently on your iPhone can you?
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What would be awesome is for people like the member you're replying to work in a corporation and with iOS and apps updated for geo fencing to restrict social apps to not launch in meeting rooms and then see just how efficient said member can be vs an iPP user in the same meeting baring note taking styles. Don't laugh this will be coming.
This brings me to mind ... is there a methology in how to take efficient notes, and how is it applied in the digital space? Stenographers use ShortHand.
I struggled with the whole note-taking thing as well when I became a manager. Started out hand-writing notes in my meetings and then typing into OneNote back at my desk. I briefly thought about bringing my iPad Air 2 from home to use for meetings, but my wife uses it for school activities with the kids so I didn't want to leave her hanging without it. I kicked around the idea of buying an inexpensive Kindle tablet that would be used purely for note taking. In the end I just started taking my laptop to all of my meetings to directly take notes in OneNote. As mentioned by others, it integrates very well with the rest of the Office apps on my computer and with a OneDrive account I have access to my full notes on my iPhone for review at home. The only downside to using my laptop is that sometimes the battery life isn't sufficient to get through a day packed with meetings. Have to drag the power cord along too, but thankfully that doesn't happen too often.
What? Dude, crack it open!I still haven't open my iPad Pro yet
I guess I'll do it this weekend...
I'm a freelancer so it really depends on the environment.
I've done work for Google and in meetings, everyone brings their laptops. Every.One. They use Docs for notes and then someone shares that master notes w/ the team. One can add their own side notes to it later as well. It's helpful.
At other companies, I usually use my Moleskine _ real pen to take notes. A little old school but hey, it works and some companies don't like the clicking of the keyboard while someone else is talking. Weird, I know. But it's also the fastest.
I've seen some ppl try to take notes on their phone and it's fine for quick reminders but for a full meeting, you just can't type fast enough or accurate enough and would miss too much. I've tried it when my pen died in a meeting. I work in entertainment and no one really cares. Everyone texts & checks email during meetings but honestly, taking notes on an iPhone is inefficient IMO. And if you're busy checking FB or Twitter during an important meeting and miss something critical, well, that's your a**.
I've done work for Google and in meetings, everyone brings their laptops. Every.One. They use Docs for notes and then someone shares that master notes w/ the team. One can add their own side notes to it later as well. It's helpful.
At other companies, I usually use my Moleskine _ real pen to take notes. A little old school but hey, it works and some companies don't like the clicking of the keyboard while someone else is talking. Weird, I know. But it's also the fastest.
I've seen some ppl try to take notes on their phone and it's fine for quick reminders but for a full meeting, you just can't type fast enough or accurate enough and would miss too much. I've tried it when my pen died in a meeting. I work in entertainment and no one really cares. Everyone texts & checks email during meetings but honestly, taking notes on an iPhone is inefficient IMO. And if you're busy checking FB or Twitter during an important meeting and miss something critical, well, that's your a**.
LMAO at..."well, that's your a**...."
https://store.moleskine.com/usa/en-us/notebooks/notebooks/classic-notebook/p1?ic=2L0gHw==
To me, this will be BETTER than using an iPad (and not distracting anyone). Plus, it will help build my writing style. Think about it, we virtually all use computers, tablets, smartphones, etc. and hardly write; unless we're signing something. Even spelling and grammar is virtually done for us, via our devices.
With using a notebook, like Moleskin (or any notebook, for that matter), it can only but help us overall - spelling, grammar, writing skills, etc. So, thanks!!!
[doublepost=1482452062][/doublepost]For the past 15 minutes or so, I've been researching and looking into Moleskin. I think I'm going to buy:
https://store.moleskine.com/usa/en-us/notebooks/notebooks/classic-notebook/p1?ic=2L0gHw==
To me, this will be BETTER than using an iPad (and not distracting anyone). Plus, it will help build my writing style. Think about it, we virtually all use computers, tablets, smartphones, etc. and hardly write; unless we're signing something. Even spelling and grammar is virtually done for us, via our devices.
With using a notebook, like Moleskin (or any notebook, for that matter), it can only but help us overall - spelling, grammar, writing skills, etc. So, thanks!!!
So I've tried a couple different mechanisms, but one thing to consider if you want to eventually digitize the notes later so they are better organized/searchable, is to consider a thinner notebook like a Cahier-style book. Since you don't need quite as much history at your disposal in raw ink.
I'm also not a huge fan of Moleskine's notebooks, compared to my current favorite brand: Leuchtturm. Right now, I have a small stack of Leuchtturm Jottbooks which are thin (~60 pages), have a flexible spine, pre-numbered pages, room for an index in the front, and for me the best part: lightly ruled pages that make your text stand out a bit more on the page. They sell thicker versions that compete directly with Moleskine, and if you do a lot of diagramming, their "dot" paged notebooks are IMO a bit better than squared pages. Downside is that finding them in the US is kinda rough. Goulet Pens is about the only place I've found them in the US that isn't overpriced:
https://www.gouletpens.com/leuchtturm1917/c/64
But yeah, I've been in the boat of looking at a mix of written and digitized notes. There is just something different about paper notebooks, despite how well a good app paired with the Pencil has been for me too. So I've been going back and forth between trying to be all digital and using paper, and I'm thinking the road that works best for me is going to wind up somewhere in the middle.
I'm also not a huge fan of Moleskine's notebooks, compared to my current favorite brand: Leuchtturm. Right now, I have a small stack of Leuchtturm Jottbooks which are thin (~60 pages), have a flexible spine, pre-numbered pages, room for an index in the front, and for me the best part: lightly ruled pages that make your text stand out a bit more on the page. They sell thicker versions that compete directly with Moleskine, and if you do a lot of diagramming, their "dot" paged notebooks are IMO a bit better than squared pages. Downside is that finding them in the US is kinda rough. Goulet Pens is about the only place I've found them in the US that isn't overpriced:
https://www.gouletpens.com/leuchtturm1917/c/64
But yeah, I've been in the boat of looking at a mix of written and digitized notes. There is just something different about paper notebooks, despite how well a good app paired with the Pencil has been for me too. So I've been going back and forth between trying to be all digital and using paper, and I'm thinking the road that works best for me is going to wind up somewhere in the middle.
Nice. My preference are the large hard cover ruled books. I get the special editions when I can. Adds a little color to taking notes. And mental sorting when I archive the books on a shelf. Kind of interesting when I need to go back to old notes and I can remember which one it's in by color.
This! I take notes either directly on Apple's notes or in Evernote. I type much faster than I can handwrite, so I do not need the pencil nor the iPad Pro. I usually use my laptop or my iPad mini with the logitech K760 keyboard. I rarely have the need to draw something, and then, there is the option of doing so in apple notes.
Yep, that's why iPhones have cameras: To snap what someone else has white-boarded. Snap. Paste. Done. Next.
All of you are contradicting yourself and provide NO decent reason not to be able to use a phone in a meeting..
You want to multitask and use two apps at the same time in a meeting.. Wel wouldn't using one app on a phone allow you to pay better attention?
A smaller screen in front of me means there is less of a barrier between me and other people at the table. A laptop creates a slight barrier between two people having a discussion.
It's not a complicated thing. Just let people use their phones, it's ridiculous that it is still taboo.
There are many programs to increase typing speed. Typing is much faster. Textexpander is one.
Phones are NOT ideal for notes, but they should be an OPTION
A screen in front of you from a cellphone is designed specifically for personal interaction - always has been. Only smartphones have had larger than 2.5/3" screens due to requiring more data to be reflected to the end user.
A laptop screen or tablet screen shows even larger data and the viewing angles are also designed inherently for presentation to those sitting beside you. Want to test this have something on your phone and see just how close others on either side of you have to get to properly view the screen placed dead centre to your eyes. Then compare their proximity to you with a tablet or laptop screen which either is larger than 6-6.5". This rebuttable you poised is laughable at best and utter no ese se to those with experience and common sense.
You still haven't even answered if you worked in a corporation before. Which kinda shows your frustration why cellphones are loooked at as not allowed in meeting rooms or moreover constant use not seen as polite. It's more of a raving teenager who sees their own ideals and ranting about with considering anything else. That's fine that your view and unless you're designated to keep minutes then you'll still face with unless you can consider the other side/ view point.
Having two apps running side by side doesn't affect focus while multitasking. I can draw a workflow in one app on have the screen and another for notes (even point form) while using voice notes to record the entire session in the background.
At the end of the meeting, merging the workflow drawing with the typed notes would be perfect. Some would argue one app to do both but when you're scrolling up to reduce a workflow drawing with a paragraph than can affect efficiency. Depends.
The key point is the viewing angle - tablet or laptop shows a wider viewing angle and others beside you can vouch your focus on the topic and contributing to others that may also need notes. Hence why windows+M keys minimize all windows (without dialog boxes).
if you don't get the perpose of that or expose in a meeting or whiles you work, I point to you Pepper Potts in Iron Man 1 in Starks' office as an example. Viewing angle.It's a culture thing, and people who use their phones to take notes are outliers. Most people using phones in meetings are texting, checking email, reading social media.
Here's an easy test. If someone is using their phone in a meeting, quick ask them 'What do you think of that?" and see their reaction. If they ask you to repeat it, they were using their phone for other purposes.
put many people on the spot in the middle of a meeting when they are not expecting it and they will stumble.. even if they have a notepad and ink pen
I know some friends who use a digital pen in meetings.
http://www.toptenreviews.com/electronics/family/best-digital-pens/
http://www.toptenreviews.com/electronics/family/best-digital-pens/
yes.
But if you casually look at the screen, I'll bet their screens are not on a notes app.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen. But, even people with laptops are rarely taking notes in a meeting these days.
And some of this may not be bad. I tend to end up an a lot of meetings where I may need to learn something about a project or answer a question if need be. In those meetings, I'm usually working on something else unless called upon.
Yup. iPad Pro and keyboard is a good idea. I use an iPad mini and Logitech's Keys-To-Go keyboard (along with Microsoft OneNote - because it's brilliant) for all of my university lecture notes. It's a somewhat cheaper version of what you described but still gets the job done. Updates really don't affect your life as much as you're suggesting, so I definitely feel some sort of iPad and portable keyboard would work well.
Alternatively you get one of the smaller Macs, but that's probably overkill.
Alternatively you get one of the smaller Macs, but that's probably overkill.
And herein lies the point YOU'RE not getting ... that is exactly what happens in meeting when the sp asked is presenting or talking and you're. It paying attention or focusing and they've caught you doing so. Being asked if you can relate what was said is always going to be random and it does put the person on the spot simply cause it's impolite and borderline rude to ignore someone holding a meeting in the corporate world and you're invited to attend only to ignore them as if their input is unimportant. So I ask you how would you feel in their place? You may feel indifferent yet if you have to keep repeating yourself then you're using others time just to update the person who was unappreciative of yours and others time during the presentation.