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I tend to agree with the OP here. Apple need to grow income and profits, and since they are nearing the peak of possible raw units sold, they need begin to increase margins even higher than they already are. They are releasing features that amount to solutions in search of a problem and then charging you for them.

At the risk of being accused of looking for drama points, this is the first iPhone I am not buying on release day in addition to having sold my Series 3 Watch with no plans of replacing it. This is on top of me having zero desire to replace my 2013 MBP (I have a 2017 for work that is not $1500 better than my 2013), and having just replaced a 2010 iMac with a self-built PC that destroys a current iMac at half the cost. My first Windows machine since 2006! They are not releasing anything compelling enough to warrant an upgrade and yet their prices are increasing a pretty fast clip.

I fought Apple (thank you to that birdie that found me here and helped me) for MONTHS on this MBP keyboard. I was told I had no clue what I was talking about. I was accused by an Apple Manager of being media.. luckily the Apple repair depot left their own tests on my ‘repaired’ MBP. I recreated the keyboard issue in under 45 min. Apple did the right thing.. but after making me, the consumer, feel like an idiot for standing firm. . ..& now we know I was right.

Was just telling my wife I may never own another MPB. I have my IPP & iMac. Apple lost me on the MBP.

The new iPhones are absolutely overpriced. A trillion $ company could chill a bit with margins .. and I’m a capitalist. I’m definitely not buying a new iPhone right now. Will I eventually. Probably. I loathe Android and don’t trust Google.

Apple really pi$$ed off a good bit of loyalists with this launch.. on both ends of the pricing spectrum. Not saying they won’t buy... but it’s a strike.
 
Laugh, you obviously haven't been looking at all the news, sites, reviewers, etc all saying they are ditching Apple after years. Many on this site have as well after this annoucement including myself after years of Apple stuff. Apple isn't keeping people. Heck, most of the people who have iPhones at work were shocked and said I am not getting a new one for sure.

Most of these "reviewers" are no one special and have more tech knowledge than the general educated "techy" user does. They have the ability to record a video and post it to Youtube or an article on the internet. About the skill of a trained chimp these days.

To be gullible enough to care what these nobody clowns think when making a buying decision is laughable at best. And that is not even considering being paid to feel a certain way and speak it to their audience via sponsors/ads/etc.
 
Stop publishing fake numbers. That’s all you are doing at the moment. View attachment 781940

See attached image. Compare iPhone X (A11) and iPhone 7 (A10). That is not 5% difference.

And you can stop talking about discovery of fire and all other crap. It’s not relevant to the discussion.

The hardware cost of iPhone 7 Plus in 2016 is less than iPhone XS Max in 2018. This is why the prices are different. Apple’s margin haven’t changed much throughout the years. What has changed is that Apple use pricier parts in their products, hence the same margin will amount to more money. That’s why their stock price keep going up.

And again, Apple offer more phones than just the iPhone XS Max 512GB. The iPhone XR is a great buy for most people. And you don’t need to sell your kidney to afford the iPhone XR.
Wow what happened to android’s single core performance? It’s still being outperformed by the 6s! I don’t get into the platform war charts because I really don’t care, but single core is a key metric and that’s just embarrassing.

It actually makes android phones seem even more overpriced than iPhones. The 7 is sub 500 and outperforms all android phones to date. (Again on single core stuff, but most apps only take advantage of single core if I’m not mistaken)
 
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For me its disappointment that there are no models like SE for 200E anymore. This little phone is serving me very well and do all what i need.
No need to purchase 1300E phone...for that price i would rather purchase a NTB.
 
Let's compare 2 top-of-the-line iPhones, 2016 vs 2018:

iPhone 7+ 256GB - $969
iPhone Xs Max 512GB - $1449

That's 50% more. Technology is getting cheaper, they don't bring any new features,
talk about the new bionic processor for 30 minutes (that thing is AMAZING, makes the Xs
10% faster LOL). You think it's unfair? 512GB is new, expensive because it's new.

iPhone 7+ 256GB - $969
iPhone Xs Max 256GB - $1249

30% more. Same 256GB storage MUST be cheaper in 2018 than 2 years ago.
No comments.

Three flagships in 2018 vs two in 2016. And the most affordable of the 2018 flagships (Xr) exceeds the capabilities of the most expensive flagship from 2016 for a comparable price.

The most expensive flagship skew from 2016 can be obtained and and again, with improved capabilities, by purchasing the affordable iPhone 8.

TL;DR: You’re comparing apples and oranges as the landscape of what is a flagship has changed.
 
If you can't afford iPhone XS, don't buy one. Simple as that! iPhone isn't a necessity, just get an inexpensive Android instead.

But that’s not really a solution to what you’re suggesting. If somebody can’t afford an iPhone, I agree with you, they should find another alternative in Apples lineup, but they shouldn’t have to just revert to android because they offer cheaper deceives, because the user wants the ‘iOS’ experience. Android not an option for some iPhone users, which that might mean the user keeps their older device longer with the iPhone or they wait to they find something that they can afford in Apples line up at a later time.
 
Apple is slowly losing loyal customers while failing to attract new ones. They just use whatever leftover (especially the design) and hope it lasts long enough.
Ironically, this is also happening. I don’t understand the world we are living right now.
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Samsung and the essential phone beg to differ.
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If you can't afford iPhone XS, don't buy one. Simple as that! iPhone isn't a necessity, just get an inexpensive Android instead.
It’s not a case of not being able to afford it. I have the iPhone X and I will be getting the iPhone X max. It’s the principle of the matter I can afford it but I have to draw the line at some point and say enough is enough. There has to be a price point where I will say I’m not paying anymore than that. It’s not rationale to keep throwing out large sums of money every year for ever diminishing returns.

I think the solution for me in the end is going to be to just keep my phone for longer and not upgrade every year.
 
they don't bring any new features
Better cameras (better sensors, better computational photography e.g. Portrait Lighting effects). Portrait mode and IS on the front-facing camera. Faster processors. Neural net coprocessor for ML. Depth sensors. Face ID. Improved water resistance. Bigger OLED screens. HDR / Dolby Vision. True Tone. Gigabit LTE. Wireless charging. More storage. Stereo sound recording for video. Fast charging.
Don’t care about any of those / think they’re worth the upgrade? Fine, but what you really mean is “they don't bring any new features that matter to me”.
 
Most of these "reviewers" are no one special and have more tech knowledge than the general educated "techy" user does. They have the ability to record a video and post it to Youtube or an article on the internet. About the skill of a trained chimp these days.

To be gullible enough to care what these nobody clowns think when making a buying decision is laughable at best. And that is not even considering being paid to feel a certain way and speak it to their audience via sponsors/ads/etc.

Many are respected. Sorry if you don't agree and it doesn't meet your agenda. It's the way it is.
 
Most of these "reviewers" are no one special and have more tech knowledge than the general educated "techy" user does. They have the ability to record a video and post it to Youtube or an article on the internet. About the skill of a trained chimp these days.

To be gullible enough to care what these nobody clowns think when making a buying decision is laughable at best. And that is not even considering being paid to feel a certain way and speak it to their audience via sponsors/ads/etc.

I completely agree.
Weren’t they in the Samsungs commercials?

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Laugh, you obviously haven't been looking at all the news, sites, reviewers, etc all saying they are ditching Apple after years. Many on this site have as well after this annoucement including myself after years of Apple stuff. Apple isn't keeping people. Heck, most of the people who have iPhones at work were shocked and said I am not getting a new one for sure.
That’s your first problem. Believing the like button craving media whores
 
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If you can't afford iPhone XS, don't buy one. Simple as that! iPhone isn't a necessity, just get an inexpensive Android instead.

i can afford the top of the line iPhone spec'd out and it wouldn't hurt my wallet, doesn't mean i should do it because apple tells me to.

i love apple products but it's getting to the point where a phone costs more than a macbook/iPad.. think about that for a second. you are a sheep if you pay that kind of money for a phone. don't @ me and justify your purchase, i don't care, i'm just stating my thoughts on your "can't afford it" comment.
 
Many are respected. Sorry if you don't agree and it doesn't meet your agenda. It's the way it is.

Respected by what metric? Is that 12 year old unboxing a phone now "respected" because they have a camera and shot a video on Youtube? Is that the new metric of "respected?"

And respected by who? The general uneducated public and braindead millennials watching Youtube entertained by anything shiny?

Yes a slim few I would respect in their field; guys like Linus and even Louis Rossmann (despite his total anti-Apple bias) as they demonstrate exceptional knowledge in what they do. Beyond regurgitating internet articles in video form; which "tech bloggers" are the worst offenders.

Would I still ever buy or not buy something because one of those said or did so? Of course not; at best they are interesting to watch and maybe I learn something when I have nothing to do.

I have no agenda at all. Clearly you do though claiming any moron with a camera looking for views and likes should influence your life decisions. I do have a brain and not dumb enough to be influenced by Youtube where the sole goal of any big channel is to make $ and say/do what is necessary to do so; nor could I care less what anyone else uses or doesn't use.

That will be the end of that so dont bother responding as I wont be reading nonsense.
 
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The new prices are funny. 7nm processor is much better than 10nm , but it's cheaper to produce.
I will laugh with the bill of materials , Apple is asking 1500 for something that cost 450 as much.
Having said that, i will keep my Iphone 8 another year at least.

If you don't want the bigger screen, the IP8 is a great unit. Last year I bought the 8 AND the X. I gave the 8 to my wife and often during the year, I thought I should have given her the 8 or never ordered the X in the first place. I do appreciate the X's screen size, but even after nearly a year, I make mistakes with the geatures.

Old dog having trouble with new tricks...
 
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Let's compare 2 top-of-the-line iPhones, 2016 vs 2018:

iPhone 7+ 256GB - $969
iPhone Xs Max 512GB - $1449

That's 50% more. Technology is getting cheaper, they don't bring any new features,
talk about the new bionic processor for 30 minutes (that thing is AMAZING, makes the Xs
10% faster LOL). You think it's unfair? 512GB is new, expensive because it's new.

iPhone 7+ 256GB - $969
iPhone Xs Max 256GB - $1249

30% more. Same 256GB storage MUST be cheaper in 2018 than 2 years ago.
No comments.

I have some comments.

It have other technologies in there besides storage differences.

And you have to remember the Apple Tax. Sure memory is relatively cheap but the way Apple does it there is a hefty mark up.

And you’re forgetting the R&D needed to develop the X family. The 7 Plus (and the 8 Plus) was based on an established and matured manufacturing process.

Also, when was it where storage got really expensive for a while because of constrained supply due to typhoons in Southeast Asia?

And don’t forget inflation. $1000 in September 2016 is now worth $1044.39.
 
I have some comments.

They have other technologies in there besides storage differences.

And you have to remember the Apple Tax. Sure memory is relatively cheap but the way Apple does it there is a hefty mark up.

And you’re forgetting the R&D needed to develop the X family. The 7 Plus was based on an established and matured manufacturing process.

Also, when was it where storage got really expensive for a while because of constrained supply due to typhoons in Southeast Asia?
Don’t forget, just like the Macs, apples memory in their phones is much faster than standard solid state memory, hence 1 reason for the hefty price.
 
Respected by what metric? Is that 12 year old unboxing a phone now "respected" because they have a camera and shot a video on Youtube? Is that the new metric of "respected?"

And respected by who? The general uneducated public and braindead millennials watching Youtube entertained by anything shiny?

Yes a slim few I would respect in their field; guys like Linus and even Louis Rossmann (despite his total anti-Apple bias) as they demonstrate exceptional knowledge in what they do. Beyond regurgitating internet articles in video form; which "tech bloggers" are the worst offenders.

Would I still ever buy or not buy something because one of those said or did so? Of course not; at best they are interesting to watch and maybe I learn something when I have nothing to do.

I have no agenda at all. Clearly you do though claiming any moron with a camera looking for views and likes should influence your life decisions. I do have a brain and not dumb enough to be influenced by Youtube where the sole goal of any big channel is to make $ and say/do what is necessary to do so; nor could I care less what anyone else uses or doesn't use.

That will be the end of that so dont bother responding as I wont be reading nonsense.

Since they got invited to Apples event, that means they are respected by Apple, and other companies like Samsung, etc.
 
What are you talking about? Apple is losing no one. They maintain original customer base, while they are attracting Android users. Numbers are up YoY.

I think the people who say they are leaving are looking for drama points.

Here's the issue, the iPhone has looked basically the same since the iPhone 6/Plus. With the X and dropping the home button and adding a glass back, this is a very simple change, the phone is very much, skin wise, iterative. This is not smack talking. It is what it is. Why must they change anyway? What's wrong with holding on to a good design aesthetic?

Anyway, I will always admire the iPhone 4/S, it was an amazing phone design, although with a bit of an attena flaw. The iPhone 8/Plus/X/XR/XS/Max, wow a lot of models, is pretty darn good. Given it's size, if was the same design as the 4, it might not have worked out so well.

Love the glass back.
What phones do not essentially look the same from one model year to another. All android phones basically look alike. You have to know the nuances of a particular model to pick one phone out of the lineup.
 
I agree. And it’s getting really annoying. The XR price point is considered “cheap” to Apple now. Screw that.
I would view it in a slightly different slant - last year the 8 succeeded the 7 while the X slotted in at a new higher price point to reflect that it used more cutting-edge technology than Apple had previously employed. This year the Xr succeeds the 8 as the latest in the main iPhone line, while the Xs/Max continue the pricier experimentation. Ultimately it’s probably apple’s goal to get the full X design down to the long term iPhone ASP, but they will probably continue with a new experimental/ costly model at the $1k and more price point.
 
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