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In my haste, I bought a 2013 MBPr, good buy or bad?

robeddie said:
Ok, so you must have been doing something fairly demanding with it? Video editing? Please explain. For web browsing, word processing, light photo editing you shouldn't have noticed any issue due to only having 4gigs of ram.

Consider this: http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/new-testing-suggests-pc-games-dont-need-more-than-4gb-of-ram/

Here's a quote from the article: "After benchmarking a few PCs, it becomes quite obvious that RAM has far less impact than most people think."
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That applies to Windows, not Mac.

Windows 10 is quite content with 4GB RAM. El Capitan isn't.

In fact while every version of OS X uses more and more RAM, Windows went in the other opposite direction in every version since Windows Vista.

Back to El Capitan:

I don't use my old MacBook Pro for heavy lifting anymore, knowing the issue with the dGPU.

I have multiple tabs in Safari and a couple of documents open? Whoops! Out of memory.

It wouldn't say that it's out of memory, but El Capitan would be very sluggish.

Activity monitor would show memory usage to be 3.85 to 3.90GB.
 
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vahdyx said:
Haha well I probably wouldn't have bought it if I looked before I leaped. He's an engineer so I didn't really think he'd have such a bare minimum Mac in his possession. Guess you can't assume people with money buy top shelf all the time. I also didn't think a MacBook Pro would be so bare either, but lesson learned.


Anyway yesterday he came over to my house and had some beers and gave me my money back. He left the laptop to me and asked me to eBay it for him. So anyone looking for a $700 MacBook Pro
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So your friend gave you a full refund?


To be frank, I think $550 is a decent deal and your suits your wife’s needs. You need to understand the spec. vs price is very different between Mac and Windows. For the same price, spec for Mac is usually lower than Windows.
 
gngan said:
So your friend gave you a full refund?


To be frank, I think $550 is a decent deal and your suits your wife’s needs. You need to understand the spec. vs price is very different between Mac and Windows. For the same price, spec for Mac is usually lower than Windows.
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Apple should have never made a MacBook Pro Retina with 4GB of RAM.

What do these "Pro" users do? Check emails at Starbucks?
 
Not sure if you can upgrade this version of the MacBook but I'd bump up the ram to at least 8gb of ram
 
This was a buddy of yours you stated? Your buddy is taking your money to buy a more upgraded MacBook Pro. He saw you were excited and closed the deal like a sheisted car salesman.
 
tubeexperience said:
What do you want me to do? Take a screenshot of the Activity Monitor?
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I don't doubt you are using the ram, but you stated mac os uses it more than windows 10. Where did you get that 'fact'?

Looking at you're activity monitor won't answer that question, :rolleyes:
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Relentless Power said:
This was a buddy of yours you stated? Your buddy is taking your money to buy a more upgraded MacBook Pro. He saw you were excited and closed the deal like a sheisted car salesman.
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This poor thread starter is getting raked over the coals here. I imagine he was originally pleased with his purchase and then got all this feedback and felt horrible. I think about how I've seen so many folks on craigsllist asking absurd prices for used and abused mac laptops I've always wondered where they get off asking so much. Evidently there's people like this poor bastard who are willing to pay.
 
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robeddie said:
I don't doubt you are using the ram, but you stated mac os uses it more than windows 10. Where did you get that 'fact'?

Looking at you're activity monitor won't answer that question, :rolleyes:
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This poor thread starter is getting raked over the coals here. I imagine he was originally pleased with his purchase and then got all this feedback and felt horrible. I think about how I've seen so many folks on craigsllist asking absurd prices for used and abused mac laptops I've always wondered where they get off asking so much. Evidently there's people like this poor bastard who are willing to pay.
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It's unfortunate, but I think we all make mistakes in which we have been burned before. It takes one time to feel like a victim of what we thought was a good deal, to find out we should have taken our time and compare the costs. We live and learn, in this case, he will learn.
 
robeddie said:
I don't doubt you are using the ram, but you stated mac os uses it more than windows 10. Where did you get that 'fact'?
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Windows 10 can run on 1GB RAM.

In fact, Microsoft made memory optimizations in the Windows Insider Preview to make it runs even more smoothly with only 1GB of RAM.

Windows 10 can even run on computer with Pentium 4 and 1GB RAM.

Can El Capitan or Sierra do that?

 
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tubeexperience said:
Apple should have never made a MacBook Pro Retina with 4GB of RAM.


What do these "Pro" users do? Check emails at Starbucks?
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Just get over with the ‘Pro’ wording. A ‘Pro’ means different to each individual. The ‘Pro’ may only means that the material is better than the unibody white MB. Who knows? Are you buying the MBP because it has a ‘Pro’ in there? Probably not.
 
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robeddie said:
Here's a quote from the article: "After benchmarking a few PCs, it becomes quite obvious that RAM has far less impact than most people think."
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Very true. techies often get caught up in specs and measurbation which is a lot like arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Interesting, but absolutely useless in the real world.

I've used a 4GB Mac in business of years just fine, and still have a C2D iMac running El Capitan and it is just fine for web browsing, email and running Office. One's person anecdote is not conclusive data, and just as someone may need more memory because of how the use their Mac and thus my use patterns and experience is not relevant, so is the experience of someone using 8+GB who insists that is the only way to go. YMMV

tubeexperience wrote:

Windows 10 can even run on computer with Pentium 4 and 1GB RAM
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In 32 bit mode. If you think a 4GB MBP is painful experience W10 on 1GZ with 1GB would be pure torture.
 
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vahdyx said:
Anyway yesterday he came over to my house and had some beers and gave me my money back. He left the laptop to me and asked me to eBay it for him. So anyone looking for a $700 MacBook Pro
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Glad it worked out. I would eBay it at an auction starting price of $550 with a Buy It Now at $700. Hopefully you will get a bidding war going on and someone will end it at the Buy It Now price. And I guarantee if this happens they will 2 males.
 
jerryk said:
Glad it worked out. I would eBay it at an auction starting price of $550 with a Buy It Now at $700. Hopefully you will get a bidding war going on and someone will end it at the Buy It Now price. And I guarantee if this happens they will 2 males.
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I always bid in the last 10 seconds. I get the thrill from it even if I don't win the auction.
 
jlc1978 said:
Very true. techies often get caught up in specs and measurbation which is a lot like arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Interesting, but absolutely useless in the real world.

I've used a 4GB Mac in business of years just fine, and still have a C2D iMac running El Capitan and it is just fine for web browsing, email and running Office. One's person anecdote is not conclusive data, and just as someone may need more memory because of how the use their Mac and thus my use patterns and experience is not relevant, so is the experience of someone using 8+GB who insists that is the only way to go. YMMV



In 32 bit mode. If you think a 4GB MBP is painful experience W10 on 1GZ with 1GB would be pure torture.
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"Measurbation". Love it. I think maybe a couple of the people flaming the thread starter for his 4gb of ram are guilty. Check those palms boys, there may be some hair growing on them.
 
tubeexperience said:
I always bid in the last 10 seconds. I get the thrill from it even if I don't win the auction.
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I once did a contract for eBay on bidding. It is pretty funny to see the same number of people that do that exact same thing. On popular items there is a huge spike of bidding in the last few minutes of an auction. Again, mostly males.
 
jlc1978 said:
Very true. techies often get caught up in specs and measurbation which is a lot like arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Interesting, but absolutely useless in the real world.

I've used a 4GB Mac in business of years just fine, and still have a C2D iMac running El Capitan and it is just fine for web browsing, email and running Office. One's person anecdote is not conclusive data, and just as someone may need more memory because of how the use their Mac and thus my use patterns and experience is not relevant, so is the experience of someone using 8+GB who insists that is the only way to go. YMMV



In 32 bit mode. If you think a 4GB MBP is painful experience W10 on 1GZ with 1GB would be pure torture.
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Oh yeah I'm a techie and definitely get caught up in numbers. I guess it's very similar to an Android vs iPhone argument. An iPhone has very low specs in comparison to an Android phone but the performance is relatively similar if not in favor of iPhone.

Guess you can say the same about a sport bike with 100 HP vs a 400 HP V8. Yes one has a lot more punch but how does it perform day to day, not sure that's why I asked lol.

As I stated my Mac experience in hours can be counted on both my hands.
 
jerryk said:
Glad it worked out. I would eBay it at an auction starting price of $550 with a Buy It Now at $700. Hopefully you will get a bidding war going on and someone will end it at the Buy It Now price. And I guarantee if this happens they will 2 males.
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Doesn't BIN go away once bidding starts, or has eBay changed that?
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vahdyx said:
Guess you can say the same about a sport bike with 100 HP vs a 400 HP V8. Yes one has a lot more punch but how does it perform day to day, not sure that's why I asked lol.
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How true, When I was auto crossing we used to say "the car is faster than the driver" when someone brought in a hopped up car but generally was dead last but finished.
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jerryk said:
I once did a contract for eBay on bidding. It is pretty funny to see the same number of people that do that exact same thing. On popular items there is a huge spike of bidding in the last few minutes of an auction. Again, mostly males.
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Ye, sniping is real popular, there are even apps for that. In theory it prevents the price from rising as much because, unless someone put in a very high bid, the last second bid may go just before the auction closes so other bidders have no chance to respond.

It would be interesting to compare the % price rise, over opening bid, for similar items that were sniped and not sniped.
 
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jlc1978 said:
Doesn't BIN go away once bidding starts, or has eBay changed that?
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How true, When I was auto crossing we used to say "the car is faster than the driver" when someone brought in a hopped up car but generally was dead last but finished.
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Ye, sniping is real popular, there are even apps for that. In theory it prevents the price form rising as much because, unless someone put in a very high bid, the last second bid may go just before the auction closes so other bidders have no chance to respond.

It would be interesting to compare the % price rise, over opening bid, for similar items that were sniped and not sniped.
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Yes I use a sniping app so I don't get caught in ego wars I just set the price and forget about it.
 
I'm still rocking out my 2012 retina macbook pro and it's amazing. The i5 is a fine processor. It all depends on what you need. If you need more space, pick up a new SSD. You can go up to a 1TB drive if you really need it. The 4GB of memory is "enough" for browsing and even basic photo viewing and editing. It's not going to do good at video editing or anything like that but I don't think that's what she's going to be using it for. OSX manages ram a little better than windows so 4GB will go a long way. Overall, I think the macbook pro will feel snappy and better than the windows computer of similar specs.

https://eshop.macsales.com/MyOWC/Upgrades.cfm?sort=pop&model=606&type=InternalDrives
 
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