InDesign CS3 Document Setup question

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  1. Rt&Dzine macrumors 6502a

    Rt&Dzine

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    Is it possible to set up an InDesign document using facing pages, but allowing for full-bleeds (bleeds in the gutter)? Thanks.
     
  2. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

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    Bleeds are for trimmed edges. Why would you want them? Once impositioning is done, you'd have artwork overlapping onto another page on the same leaf.

    I'm curious.
     
  3. snickelfritz macrumors 65816

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    I have a restaurant menu set up as facing pages with .0625" bleeds.
    This essentially represents the facing page pairs as single 11" x 17" layouts, and that is probably the bast way to conceptualize it.
    Artwork that extends across the gutterline can theoretically be a single image that spans both pages and has .0625" bleed on all four edges. (11.125" x 17.125")

    No overlap or missing content occurs in the printed document, since the edge for the individual pages is extended .0625" on all sides, including the gutterline.

    This has worked perfectly for the half dozen times I've had this document printed commercially.
     
  4. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

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    Absolutely. But that's a slightly different matter with facing singles for a 4 page single-fold piece or even a 6 or 8 page gate or roll fold... but if it's something to be impositioned and bound/saddle-stitched, there's no need to 'bleed' artwork over the folds of the leaf; it's counter-productive.
     
  5. Rt&Dzine thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I have photos bleeding off the edges of pages in a book layout. Sometimes into the gutter. I want to see the recto and verso at the same time.

    Also the pagination changes a lot during layout. My recto and verso master pages are different (slightly different margins, footers in different locations, etc.). Things get slightly messed up when a recto is changed to a verso, and vice-versa (oops that's an awkward sentence). But it doesn't get messed up when I use facing pages.
     
  6. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

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    ^OK, I get that and facing pages is the correct way to set that up. But I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish by, for instance, running an image across the gutter unless you want part of it to appear on the facing page.

    For instance, if I'm making a PDF for press in singles ready for imposition, even though it's been laid out as facing pages, the PDF will have an asymmetric bleed with 0mm on the inside and 3mm around top, bottom and outside edges. If I had an inside bleed, material that runs across the inside edge would overlap onto another page on the same leaf, appearing elsewhere in the book.
     
  7. snickelfritz macrumors 65816

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    Yeah that's true; brochures and the like do not technically "bleed" across fold lines, since the paper is never actually trimmed there.
     
  8. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

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    The easiest thing to do is to put a guide on all your master spreads right in the centre, on the fold, to snap frame edges to. There's no need to take those frames/boxes further across onto the opposing page unless you want material to appear there.
     
  9. Rt&Dzine thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I don't want the image to spread across the 2 pages.

    I'm trying to set up the document to allow for pagination changes to occur during layout.

    For instance, I layout page 122 (verso) to have an image go into the gutter. It later changes to become page 123 (recto). So now I have add a bleed to the image because it will be on the outer edge of the page. I'm trying to avoid having to change the bleeds or layout any time a page changes verso/recto or recto/verso.

    Thanks for your input.

    UPDATE: Just saw your last post. It looks like it isn't possible to do what I want. I should add the necessary bleeds at the final layout. I appreciate your time and expertise!
     
  10. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

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    OK, now that makes sense. Pictures are sometimes better than words. ;)

    But my answer is — not that I'm aware of — apart from setting up guides on the insides across all master pages so you have an easy reference to adjust images to their new bleeds.
     
  11. Rt&Dzine thread starter macrumors 6502a

    Rt&Dzine

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    Ah . . . I should have thought of that. :)

    It turns out our Printer does want the bleeds on all four sides, so I can't use facing pages. :(
     

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