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Again another instance of India not getting things done. The issue is Apple should have paid the ministers the millions used on that so call Maps development center.
 
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India's loss.

No - Apple's.

The Samsung is strong in this one, mmhmm.

Samsung has long had manufacturing plants in India. If Samsung does have anything to do with lobbying the government - it's still in India's best interest to have companies add significantly to the economy.

In other news - I can't help but wonder if Tim and his associates somehow offended someone significant during their visit given how things are going south for them....
 
So Tim, did the BJP and Modi's propaganda bit for them and got nothing in return ...

Nice one, Tim!

Anyone who thought one trip would change Indian policy never had to deal with government bureaucracy and politics.

Relationships aren't built overnight. His trip was about educating themselves and planting the seeds for a long-term play, including entertainment... Hence all the Bollywood stars.

He did say, after all, Apple plans to be in India for the next 1,000 years. These are very minor speed bumps when looked at with that kind of horizon.
 
He did say, after all, Apple plans to be in India for the next 1,000 years.

All kinds of things get said ... ten months later, it was gone ...

"Jan. 19, 1989: Despite signs of system failure, the East German leadership remained stubborn. Government head Erich Honecker declares "the Wall will be there in 50, even 100 years.""
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Russia would be much better choice Tim

Yeah, Apple and Poutine - imagine that.
 
Apparently the government isn't really focused on these folks, but more on those who are near poverty and in dire need of jobs. I personally don't even think they can afford even a refurbished iPhone, or even would want too.
Funny thing is that this devices are really popular among poor people. When I used to live in Brazil, you would see people in the favelas who barely have food, but would still manage to have a smart phone. I guess some of them were probably stolen...
 
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Usually, in arguments, both sides are right or reasonable to some degree. In this case, both sides are wrong and unreasonable.

India isn't acknowledging their working class's comparatively impoverished existence. Apparently, they aren't familiar with the adage, "beggars can't be choosey".

Cook, on the otherhand, has balls to blame taxes and tariffs while acting as though Apple's notorious margins are already as thin as possible.
Good points. Although I don't feel Apple's margins are that high on the iPhone. If the raw materials cost ~$200, a 200% markup price isn't that high is it? I'd imagine there are products out there with 1000%+ markups.
I'm in India right now and via my none scientific visual mini-study there are very few iPhones. In the city I'm in any type of Android phone seems to be the most popular.
You are absolutely correct. When I was there, I was the only soul with an iPhone for miles and miles. And quite the envy of locals I might add; had to be careful not to use it in public at times.
[doublepost=1464642482][/doublepost]It's ridiculous that the Indian ministry doesn't understand Apple Refurbished. It's their loss really because the demand for iPhone is really, really high in India. And I'd imagine now they'll spread propaganda to locals stating 'Apple wants to sell you Americas used old iPhones…'. That's a pity. Apple should pull out of the Hyderabad R&D facility plans lol.
 
Hell, WE NEED THAT LAW here. Apple should be required to make 30% of the goods it sells in the USA IN the USA!!! Sadly, I doubt Apple could achieve 10% of that figure right now.

Long live Ireland says Apple!


LOL.

a law like that would grind the US economy to a stop.
 
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On Apple's proposal to import refurbished phones and sell in India, Sitharaman said, "We would not be in favour of whatever you may call them -- used but refashioned, remodelled, updated... used goods. We are not in favour of bringing them here."
Knee-jerk reaction without fully understanding the situation. This is what you get when people who don't understand something are in charge of making decisions.

Some facts for you, Ms. Sitharaman:
  • Apple makes reliable products that last for years.
  • Products refurbished by Apple come with a full warranty and quite often are better than a brand new product. Bugs have been found and fixed, hardware updated.
If India applies the same policy to all manufacturers, then fine, but to single Apple out (possibly been bribed?) is just doing your citizens a disservice.



Big LOL... Why I am even buying brand new one when refurbished phone is better and cheaper?

That is big none sense...And did other manufactures applied to sell refurbished product there? If there didn't, what ground you have to make claim that India is singling Apple out? Other OEMs do not need sell refurbished phone, Android phones are cheap enough and quality is good enough for everyday users.

Even refurbished iPhone priced at 300 dollars USD us way to expensive for most Indian. I doubt Apple will even offer that price anyway.
 
Has Apple tried giving the officials few million dollars just for the hell of it? It might speed up the process.
 
All kinds of things get said ... ten months later, it was gone ...

"Jan. 19, 1989: Despite signs of system failure, the East German leadership remained stubborn. Government head Erich Honecker declares "the Wall will be there in 50, even 100 years.""
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You're right, things get said all the time. The difference is, for Apple to establish a foundation in India, all they need to do is build a manufacturing plant. Like I said, a very small speed bump for a company as rich as Apple that is thinking very long term.
 
I'm not understanding India's logic. Or perhaps I'm not understanding the situation presented. Apple already sold iPhones to retail locations. So the market was already there... Are those retailers unable to resell used phones? Ones that get turned in for an upgrade? Or are they just banning Apple from bringing used phones from outside of India, or are they banning them from reselling any good regardless of their orginal sale/buy-back from Apple.... Super perplexed.
 
Tim just needs to take a trip down to an apple data center, download all the communications of Indian officials who have dealings with Samsung. Find out how Samsung was able to bribe them, and either do the same, or blackmail those officials. JK but i have a feeling bribery / extortion is how things get done in India, or pretty much any region other than North America, Australia, Japan, and half of the EU.
 
You know all that first hand or just working the hearsay trail?
I can speak from first hand experience. I had a bad sleep/wake switch on my 5S and got it replaced, no questions asked with a refurb. The phone looked and worked as good as a brand new phone. It was the equivalent of a certified ore-owned Mercedes. No one is passing them off as junk are they?
 
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I'm curious - is India's problem with refurbished iPhones in general, or is it specifically importing refurbished iPhones?

If so, can't Apple just sell new iPhones in India, then when people trade up, Apple can take the iPhones traded in from India, refurbish them, and sell them in India?

I realize that they'll probably sell out of them and have plenty from other countries that they could sell in India were it not for their refusal of imported refurbished products... But still, it'd be better than nothing, right?
 
We should respond in kind. Let's start with call centers. If 30% of the call centers presented to consumers here aren't manned by Americans then we should prevent the company from operating the call center.
Let me get this right. You want the US to apply a policy to India only in retaliation for India not exempting Apple from a policy that India applies to all companies around the world. Well hell, that makes sense.:rolleyes:

I'm not understanding India's logic. Or perhaps I'm not understanding the situation presented. Apple already sold iPhones to retail locations. So the market was already there... Are those retailers unable to resell used phones? Ones that get turned in for an upgrade? Or are they just banning Apple from bringing used phones from outside of India, or are they banning them from reselling any good regardless of their orginal sale/buy-back from Apple.... Super perplexed.

They are not letting Apple turn India into their dumping ground for used phones from other countries. Their policy applies to other companies as well. On that issue, I don't blame them.
 
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