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Informal Testing Suggests Minor Performance Increase for iPhone 3G on iOS 4.1

winglet69 said:
What I do NOT expect, however, is for a massive performance hit from an OS update that is claimed to be compatible with this device.
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Apple already admitted that there was a mistake in the iOS4 release that affected the older handsets. It's officially listed as one of the major fixes in 4.1. What else do you want? It's a shame that they had a problem, but it couldn't have been a systemic issue with the new OS given how quickly it was fixed. It was most likely one or two services that needed to be tweaked that slipped by late in testing.
The fact is that Apple (and every other OS developer) is a no win situation with older devices. Performance will get worse overtime simply by the fact that the platform is still maturing with new services and API's being regularly added.
People would have been even more upset if Apple simply left the 3G behind at iOS3.
 
err404 said:
Apple already admitted that there was a mistake in the iOS4 release that affected the older handsets. It's officially listed as one of the major fixes in 4.1. What else do you want? It's a shame that they had a problem, but it couldn't have been a systemic issue with the new OS given how quickly it was fixed. It was most likely one or two services that needed to be tweaked that slipped by late in testing.
The fact is that Apple (and every other OS developer) is a no win situation with older devices. Performance will get worse overtime simply by the fact that the platform is still maturing with new services and API's being regularly added.
People would have been even more upset if Apple simply left the 3G behind at iOS3.
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well what they should do is allow people to downgrade their devices to previous Apple software. I find it hard to believe how it is acceptable that this downgrade is not allowed. It would solve a lot of issues.
 
iPie said:
Many iPhone 3 users just want a phone that works about as well as when they purchased it.
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Then don't update it and don't install apps. Nothing stops your phone from working exactly the same as when you bought it. But that not good enough for most people. They want the features designed for a new generation of hardware.
4.0 had issues, but the 4.1 update provides a reasonable balance in lost performance and compatibility with the new SDK.
If you want performance, stick with iOS3, if you want compatibility with iOS4 apps, accept the performance hit. You cant have both.

Apple just needs to provide a downgrade path...
 
DB2k said:
well what they should do is allow people to downgrade their devices to previous Apple software. I find it hard to believe how it is acceptable that this downgrade is not allowed. It would solve a lot of issues.
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I agree.
 
To all the people complaining that the iPhone 3G is 2 years old, and really everyone:

Remember that the hardware is essentially unchanged (aside from the phone chip and GPS) from the original iPhone, which is now over 3 years old.
 
What about 4.0.2?

After updating to 4.0 my G3 became painfully slow when launching anything and typing a new message was ridiculous as the first letter I hit would sit there for a second or two before it caught up with me. Also, my Yahoo push email stopped working completely as well as others I know regardless of generational phone.

The other day there was an huge 350MB or so update for the iPhone 4.0.2 if I remember correctly. I downloaded it with "what the heck, how can my phone get any slower?"

Push email is now working flawlessly again with Yahoo and my phone's snappiness is back to normal. No more lags in typing messages either.

I doubt I will upgrade to 4.1 now...
 
Must say the new patch has worked well. The phone is still struggling a bit but no where NEAR what it was with 4.0.

Those complaining, get over it, the device is over two years old, what if they just said screw you and stopped supporting it?
 
rednano74 said:
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The other day there was an huge 350MB or so update for the iPhone 4.0.2 if I remember correctly...

Push email is now working flawlessly again with Yahoo and my phone's snappiness is back to normal. No more lags in typing messages either.
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4.0.2 had no affect on my 3G. It still runs like a complete dog and is getting really irritating. You have to keep an eye on it to make sure it's done each command. Messaging is utterly tiresome.

I'm thinking about getting a 4, but now I'm beginning to get really annoyed with Apple for in effect *forcing* me to upgrade to get my phone working as it did with version 3. Twist my arm any more and I'll look at an Android.
 
So, the original rumors were for a release on Wednesday, today. Any thoughts on when we'll see 4.1 from Apple??? I keep clicking on Check for Update.
 
Devie said:
Must say the new patch has worked well. The phone is still struggling a bit but no where NEAR what it was with 4.0.

Those complaining, get over it, the device is over two years old, what if they just said screw you and stopped supporting it?
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What if I said to Apple, screw you and stopped buying it?

Support of products through a life cycle influences purchasing decisions.

And, I know phones move fast, but 2 years old is not that old. In Canada, they sold these phones on a 3 year contract - granted, that is the carrier, but the carriers and the device companies co-operate. If the phone is essentially useless after 2 years of a 3 year contract, that sucks.

And, to those who say it is a users fault for upgrading, when you sync the phone, it asks you if you want to upgrade.
 
whitfit said:
What if I said to Apple, screw you and stopped buying it?

Support of products through a life cycle influences purchasing decisions.

And, I know phones move fast, but 2 years old is not that old. In Canada, they sold these phones on a 3 year contract - granted, that is the carrier, but the carriers and the device companies co-operate. If the phone is essentially useless after 2 years of a 3 year contract, that sucks.

And, to those who say it is a users fault for upgrading, when you sync the phone, it asks you if you want to upgrade.
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I agree. I understand phones get faster and faster, but the performance on an older phone shouldn't be less than half of what it was when you bought it. Apple should have stopped upgrading the 3G at 3.1.3.

By them kicking it up to iOS 4, it made the phone unusable. Apple had to have noticed how unbearable slow the 3G was in their QC testing before the release of iOS 4.0. To me, the only reason why they released it and gave all iPhone users an early upgrade was so that they would be forced to upgrade to the iPhone 4. My 3G worked fine before 4.0. Yes, it wasn't the fastest thing in the world, but it got things done.

Now, I had to jailbreak it, just so I could get sbsettings to manage my own memory, just like a computer from decades ago, where memory was a very expensive and limited resource. I am constantly killing processes, and working with a maximum of 34MB of free ram with only the phone process running in the background, and it can quickly drop to 7MB with just the web browser running or listening to a podcast on the iPod.
 
applefan69 said:
. . . . expecially when your not even using the new hardware cycles.

We have people here complaining that their 2 (??) year old phone does not perform like the brand new iPhone 4. Its ridiculous, and although I agree its dumb apple released 4.0 for the 3G when it never worked well, but take this as a point.

In the future DONT BE SO FAST TO UPDATE. If you know your phone is aged expect new software to show this aging.


The most annoying part is these same people would be whining "BUT WHY CANT i have multi-tasking?! the hardware is perfectly capable! Apple is stupid!!!" if 4.0 was not allowed on the 3g.
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First off why would someone compare the speed of a 3G to the iphone 4. that was the first mistake you made in your post. second people are complaining about the lost of performance with the recent update don't you think this have merit.

my phone worked i updated it and its crap now can i go back to the old firmware well apple dont allow going back to older firmware yet if you google you can find other methods. I thought apple was against jail breaking and this voids my warranty right. yes but that's is your only option. well is it possible if i can swap this phone out for one thats in stock with the older firmware no sir we can not do that but if you want to buy a iphone 4 i would be glad to help you . so you was not glad to help me solve this horrible update problem but your glad to help me spend my money again great.

actual conversation i had at the apple store. third Apple was misleading with the update most people updated just to get the background support. which apple clearly did not mention the 3g wil not support until after the update. To run out and buy a new phone to me is poor money management. will the three 3G run the features of Ios4 yes if apple use the original code of 3.x.x.x then implement the new function into it. why will they not do it they set a one and a half year life span on there phones for which they will support. it would cost them more to just do the code right for 3g.
 
err404 said:
Apple already admitted that there was a mistake in the iOS4 release that affected the older handsets. It's officially listed as one of the major fixes in 4.1. What else do you want? It's a shame that they had a problem, but it couldn't have been a systemic issue with the new OS given how quickly it was fixed. It was most likely one or two services that needed to be tweaked that slipped by late in testing.
The fact is that Apple (and every other OS developer) is a no win situation with older devices. Performance will get worse overtime simply by the fact that the platform is still maturing with new services and API's being regularly added.
People would have been even more upset if Apple simply left the 3G behind at iOS3.
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How blind could you be to not see that this was a a simple strategy to force people to upgrade their phones and the people who cried foul loud enough then the antenna problems forced apple hands to abandon what was taking place to take the heat off their back. even Steve job flat out showed why apple did not take off like Microsoft did in the beginning and cant you see the same pattern with the i phone and goggles droid. and what did Steve do and say. first he tell people well your holding it wrong. how else do you expect me to hold a phone. then to point the finger at other companies like they have this problem too.


Is the iphone a good phone yes but why do it lack so much in terms of other phones no theme support, flash, hell i cant even put a signature in the bottom of my text message. then i cant go to my friends house and add one song with out wiping the phone clean. just sad apple just like when apple was starting out microsoft gave people the freedom to do with the software and pc as they wanted apple didnt and 90 percent of the world have a what you guessed it. the iphone is on a slow road to no where cause droid does just about everything you can in front of your computer and then some. i love my iphone but i got my eye on the newest droid.
 
The age of the iPhone and 3G problems

Can you imagine if you bought a car a year-and-half to two years ago, and it stopped working, and people said, "Well, what do you expect? The car is already two years old? Buy a new one!" What if you bought a refrigerator and it stopped working after 2 years? "Buy a new one and stop complaining!" How about if you had to replace all your kitchen appliances every year or two and had to have the old ones hauled off to the dump?

My Mac Pro is 4 years old and running fine. If I take care of it, I expect it to last another year or two, because I practically had to take out a second mortgage to buy it and its displays.

Adobe expects us to buy new (buggy, BTW) software every year-and-a-half, even though they make minor changes, and then want us to spend thousands to get it. Microsoft wants us to spend hundreds. At least Apple's Snow Leopard cost a fraction of one of the many versions of Win7. TV and entertainment systems manufacturers have done the same, as have cell phone companies.

Wow, electronics and software manufacturers have done an excellent job of getting us to buy into the fact that their products are to be expected to be very short-lived and disposable! Forget getting it fixed. Throw it away and buy new! And we are so cool with that. What a waste. What an environmental hazard.

And if we have the temerity to complain, then we are chastised by our own and told, "What else do you expect? Buy a new [fill in the blank] and stop complaining." Not feasible unless one is independently wealthy.

I don't expect the update to make my 3G miraculously multi-task. I also don't expect it to make the cell phone I bought in April 2009 a brick when it comes to using it as a cell phone or anything else.
 
applefan69 said:
. . . . expecially when your not even using the new hardware cycles.

We have people here complaining that their 2 (??) year old phone does not perform like the brand new iPhone 4. Its ridiculous, and although I agree its dumb apple released 4.0 for the 3G when it never worked well, but take this as a point.

In the future DONT BE SO FAST TO UPDATE. If you know your phone is aged expect new software to show this aging.


The most annoying part is these same people would be whining "BUT WHY CANT i have multi-tasking?! the hardware is perfectly capable! Apple is stupid!!!" if 4.0 was not allowed on the 3g.
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Actually I have not read one post where anyone is "whining" about not being able to multitask on a 3G.
The only complaint I'm reading about is that their barely 2 year old phone, hardly aged, has been completely ruined by following the upgrade path suggested and endorsed by Apple.
Hell it's virtually automatic when you attach it to your Mac. So why wouldn't people think it is OK to do it? Obviously not everyone here is as clever as you seem to be :rolleyes:

You seem to be getting all annoyed because some people have a different view point to you and don't want to or can't afford to change their expensive phone every year? I sure don't want to but if Apple says I can use some of the new features of the latest software then I have a right to be upset if it screws up my unit.
 
Had pretty good experiences on my 2G iPod touch. Things generally seem noticeably faster, and Safari especially runs a lot better than before. I used to get crashes every 20 minutes or so in Safari, but now it is a lot more responsive and has only crashed once since I upgraded.
 
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