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Apps Infuse for Apple TV Released

andrewstirling said:
How can you do any of that stuff on Apple TV? Thought we were stuck with Dolby digital 7.1 and 60hz?
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You need apple to support it. The first question is if the hardware supports it. Since it can do 7.1 LPCM my guess is a software update would enable HD audio bitstreaming.
H.265 is supported in the A8 chip. So apple would need to release a software update to enable it.
 
archer75 said:
You need apple to support it. The first question is if the hardware supports it. Since it can do 7.1 LPCM my guess is a software update would enable HD audio bitstreaming.
H.265 is supported in the A8 chip. So apple would need to release a software update to enable it.
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Does iTunes Movies have any 7.1? If so how do they get those to play using h.265? I thought these containers cannot support 7.1 audio.
 
I don't know if itunes has any 7.1 tracks as I don't use itunes. And they don't use H.265 as they don't support it. They could if they wanted to.
I make my own rips. h.265 isn't a container. MKV is which is commonly used on bluray rips. And all my rips have a dolby TrueHD or DTS-MA HD audio track.
 
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archer75 said:
I don't know if itunes has any 7.1 tracks as I don't use itunes. And they don't use H.265 as they don't support it. They could if they wanted to.
I make my own rips. h.265 isn't a container. MKV is which is commonly used on bluray rips. And all my rips have a dolby TrueHD or DTS-MA HD audio track.
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Also keep in mind that all iTunes content, whether 5.1 or 7.1, is limited to 16-bit (lossy) audio.

Infuse is the only Apple TV app that is licensed for and supports 24-bit (lossless) Dolby and DTS audio.
 
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firecore said:
Also keep in mind that all iTunes content, whether 5.1 or 7.1, is limited to 16-bit (lossy) audio.

Infuse is the only Apple TV app that is licensed for and supports 24-bit (lossless) Dolby and DTS audio.
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The information about this app says that you have to set the throughput on automatic. That way a 24 bit LPCM audio stream will be sent to the apple tv and to you receiver provided that your apple tv is set to 'Best Quality'.

When you set Infuse settings to 'passthrough' the signal will be sent as DTS or Dolby but at a 16 bit rate.

I don't understand that while you send the original DTS or Dolby signal as 'passthrough' this would be 16 bit, while when you change the original DTS signal to LPCM, you get 24 bit.

Was the original signal 24 bit or 16 bit? If it is 24 bit why is it then changed to 16 bit when the signal is 'passed through'?

My receiver is capable to receive Dolby and DTS even the HD versions. Why should I not choose 'passthrough'? And isn't the LPCM signal prone to more jitter than the 'passthrough' signal? I thought a pass-through would preserve audio quality.
 
lemonkid said:
The information about this app says that you have to set the throughput on automatic. That way a 24 bit LPCM audio stream will be sent to the apple tv and to you receiver provided that your apple tv is set to 'Best Quality'.

When you set Infuse settings to 'passthrough' the signal will be sent as DTS or Dolby but at a 16 bit rate.

I don't understand that while you send the original DTS or Dolby signal as 'passthrough' this would be 16 bit, while when you change the original DTS signal to LPCM, you get 24 bit.

Was the original signal 24 bit or 16 bit? If it is 24 bit why is it then changed to 16 bit when the signal is 'passed through'?

My receiver is capable to receive Dolby and DTS even the HD versions. Why should I not choose 'passthrough'? And isn't the LPCM signal prone to more jitter than the 'passthrough' signal? I thought a pass-through would preserve audio quality.
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The Apple TV has very limited passthrough options, and the few that are available are limited to 16-bit only.

In some cases, Infuse is able to extract the 16-bit audio from 24-bit tracks and send that via passthrough, though to get full HD (lossless) audio you'll want to leave Infuse set to Auto. More info on the available audio options can be found here. https://support.firecore.com/hc/en-us/articles/217735707-Audio-Options-tvOS-
 
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firecore said:
The Apple TV has very limited passthrough options, and the few that are available are limited to 16-bit only.

In some cases, Infuse is able to extract the 16-bit audio from 24-bit tracks and send that via passthrough, though to get full HD (lossless) audio you'll want to leave Infuse set to Auto. More info on the available audio options can be found here. https://support.firecore.com/hc/en-us/articles/217735707-Audio-Options-tvOS-
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Thank you for your swift reply!

Yes I believe that when 16bit audio is extracted and sent via passthrough to the appleTV it will be as it is: 16bit. But DTS and Dolby HD-audio are in most cases 24 bit. And the appleTV will not change the DTS signals and Dolby signals when they are passed through.

However appleTV is very well capable to mess around with LPCM signals and change it from 24bit into 16bit.

So my question remains: Why is a DTS or Dolby signal that contains 24 bit changed to 16, and why is a LPCM signal not changed? All Infuse should do is to send the original DTS or Dolby signal to appleTV and that one is capable of sending teh signal to my AVR. I see that it is received as such.

My first idea was that someone that wrote the guide about this issue had a miscommunication with the technicians that wrote Infuse and implemented the passthrough of DTS and Dolby. But......

;-)
 
lemonkid said:
Thank you for your swift reply!

Yes I believe that when 16bit audio is extracted and sent via passthrough to the appleTV it will be as it is: 16bit. But DTS and Dolby HD-audio are in most cases 24 bit. And the appleTV will not change the DTS signals and Dolby signals when they are passed through.

However appleTV is very well capable to mess around with LPCM signals and change it from 24bit into 16bit.

So my question remains: Why is a DTS or Dolby signal that contains 24 bit changed to 16, and why is a LPCM signal not changed? All Infuse should do is to send the original DTS or Dolby signal to appleTV and that one is capable of sending teh signal to my AVR. I see that it is received as such.

My first idea was that someone that wrote the guide about this issue had a miscommunication with the technicians that wrote Infuse and implemented the passthrough of DTS and Dolby. But......

;-)
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It's how Apple designed it. 🙁 16-bit passthrough is available, but 24-bit is not.

LPCM is an uncompressed format, so there are very few limitations on what it can be used for - assuming an app has a proper license to decompress Dolby/DTS of course. 😉
 
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firecore said:
It's how Apple designed it. 🙁 16-bit passthrough is available, but 24-bit is not.

LPCM is an uncompressed format, so there are very few limitations on what it can be used for - assuming an app has a proper license to decompress Dolby/DTS of course. 😉
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Your answer brings me back to my original question. Because your answer just confirms the way I understood how TV4 works.

If you can't send a LPCM signal in 24 bit format, the best way to get the best sound is to send it in DTS or Dolby format. Then the signal is passed through in their 'container' without the ability for AppleTV to mess around with it. Yet the manual guidelines say a different thing. That is why I wonder if someone made a mistake with the guidelines on how to set up the app. Because it sounds completely illogical.
 
lemonkid said:
Your answer brings me back to my original question. Because your answer just confirms the way I understood how TV4 works.

If you can't send a LPCM signal in 24 bit format, the best way to get the best sound is to send it in DTS or Dolby format. Then the signal is passed through in their 'container' without the ability for AppleTV to mess around with it. Yet the manual guidelines say a different thing. That is why I wonder if someone made a mistake with the guidelines on how to set up the app. Because it sounds completely illogical.
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Just to clarify we're talking about the same thing. Passthrough (also called bit-streaming) is sending compressed Dolby/DTS audio over HDMI. Your receiver then converts it to LPCM before using its internal DAC to turn it into sound your ears can hear. We can do this, but only for 16-bit formats.

With Infuse set to Auto, it will first decompress the Dolby/DTS audio, and send this decompressed audio to your receiver as LPCM. The same characteristics apply (quality level, channel counts, volume levels, etc...) and your receiver will then use its internal DAC to turn it into something your ears can hear. This method was recommended by DTS as the best option for getting 24-bit audio from the Apple TV to your receiver.

Hope this helps! 🙂
 
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firecore said:
Just to clarify we're talking about the same thing. Passthrough (also called bit-streaming) is sending compressed Dolby/DTS audio over HDMI. Your receiver then converts it to LPCM before using its internal DAC to turn it into sound your ears can hear. We can do this, but only for 16-bit formats.

With Infuse set to Auto, it will first decompress the Dolby/DTS audio, and send this decompressed audio to your receiver as LPCM. The same characteristics apply (quality level, channel counts, volume levels, etc...) and your receiver will then use its internal DAC to turn it into something your ears can hear. This method was recommended by DTS as the best option for getting 24-bit audio from the Apple TV to your receiver.

Hope this helps! 🙂
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Thanks that answered my question.
 
firecore said:
With Infuse set to Auto, it will first decompress the Dolby/DTS audio, and send this decompressed audio to your receiver as LPCM.
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I tested the new multichannel-PCM playback with some of my HD-DVD rips (MKVs with FLAC-encoded audio) last night and this works very well now. Very good audio quality, and video playback (high bitrate H.264 and VC-1) was flawless too. Good job on this update! 🙂
 
Upgraded my AEBS to a Time Capsule and plugged my 5 TB media drive in the USB slot and now it doesn't show up in Infuse. Any suggestions? I wonder if there is a sharing setting in the Airport Utility I need to change? I am seeing two different Time Capsule "available shares" both of which are empty.


*edit - never mind it is showing up now for whatever reason.
 
Rigby said:
I tested the new multichannel-PCM playback with some of my HD-DVD rips (MKVs with FLAC-encoded audio) last night and this works very well now. Very good audio quality, and video playback (high bitrate H.264 and VC-1) was flawless too. Good job on this update! 🙂
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Awesome! So glad to hear you're enjoying it. 🙂
off_piste said:
Upgraded my AEBS to a Time Capsule and plugged my 5 TB media drive in the USB slot and now it doesn't show up in Infuse. Any suggestions? I wonder if there is a sharing setting in the Airport Utility I need to change? I am seeing two different Time Capsule "available shares" both of which are empty.


*edit - never mind it is showing up now for whatever reason.
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Glad it's working! 🙂
Led-zep said:
Any news on x265 integration or is that impossible on the ATV4?
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Unfortunately x.265 isn't going to be practical on iOS or tvOS until Apple adds support for HW decoding (which is likely to happen at some point in the semi-near future). Sorry. 🙁
 
When I rip DVD's to MKV I typically remove the Subtitles as I never use them. However i'm noticing movies that display subtitles for certain characters (Aliens in Star Wards for instance) are missing. Did I make a mistake with the ripping or is there an option I need to enable in Infuse?
 
Colonel Badger said:
When I rip DVD's to MKV I typically remove the Subtitles as I never use them. However i'm noticing movies that display subtitles for certain characters (Aliens in Star Wards for instance) are missing. Did I make a mistake with the ripping or is there an option I need to enable in Infuse?
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These are typically called 'forced' subtitles, and are only displayed if the spoken language is different than the main audio track. Infuse has support for forced subtitles, but how these are handled will vary based on how they were originally added to the movie. For example, some movies have hardcoded subtitles, while others have separate subtitle tracks.

A good community maintained list of titles and their forced subtitle type can be found here.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nAMVVnmk3vSaUiuFXcN7D0R69FHIP4tfIkTdThTkXEk
 
Colonel Badger said:
When I rip DVD's to MKV I typically remove the Subtitles as I never use them. However i'm noticing movies that display subtitles for certain characters (Aliens in Star Wards for instance) are missing. Did I make a mistake with the ripping or is there an option I need to enable in Infuse?
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I always check the box for "forced only" as that gives you the odd subtitles that you're missing.
 
Colonel Badger said:
When I rip DVD's to MKV I typically remove the Subtitles as I never use them. However i'm noticing movies that display subtitles for certain characters (Aliens in Star Wards for instance) are missing. Did I make a mistake with the ripping or is there an option I need to enable in Infuse?
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I don't know how you're ripping but I use makemkv and select force only next to english. If there are forced subs they will be part of the MKV.
I then re-encode my file and if there are forced subs I burn them in the image. That makes things simple as there's no longer any sub files to deal with.
 
Ah, could be. I haven't ripped a dvr in quite some time. Well, I did rip some old snowboard videos recently but they don't have subtitles.
 
Does anyone know if it's possible to use iCloud Drive with infuse? I can't find any info about how to set that up. Currently I'm using a hard drive plugged into my Time Capsule and love it, I just don't want to wear out the drive
 
Kyle4 said:
Does anyone know if it's possible to use iCloud Drive with infuse? I can't find any info about how to set that up. Currently I'm using a hard drive plugged into my Time Capsule and love it, I just don't want to wear out the drive
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Cloud streaming (iCloud, Dropbox, etc...) is on our roadmap for a future update.

I wouldn't worry too much about wearing out your HD...those things are made to last quite a while. 😉
 
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