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These people also know what Coke is, there's nothing profound about brand awareness. I'm european and the word that comes to peoples minds when you mention Apple over here is Overpriced.

Wow!! You speak for an entire continent! In all of history, that's really never happened before.

This is a good time to segue into something about brand awareness and promoting cutting edge products.

In the mid 1980s the Herman Miller company release the Aeron chair on the market. It was the very first office chair that supported the user with a mesh material instead of foam and fabric.
Herman Miller spent a lot of money promoting this new paradigm and that promotion money was built into the cost of the product.

Apple too has built a lot of money into marketing their new products for the same reasons. People need to be "sold" on the idea they need to buy a product that they have never purchased before. It's the cost of owning the market leader's products.

Once any company shows any success at capturing the public's attention, there is always a lot of "me too" companies that will try to crowd into that niche will minimum marketing and singing the song, "Me too but for less."

Eventually a product needs no marketing. People accept that the product does a useful function. In 1950 a toaster needed to be marketed and sold for a lot more then they do today, and you don't see them advertised any longer either.

Now you can pay $399 for a genuine, but stripped down, Aeron chair, or $39.90 for a knock-off at Office Depot. You can do much the same with quality watches, hand bags, or running shoes.

When any company markets quality products and focuses on the upper margins of what that product can be sold for, they are making a conscious decision to not get down into the muck with the bottom-feeders.

There will always be bottom-feeders in any product niche. That's a given. Because I sell high value products, (not Herman Miller) I always know I will lose a certain segment of the market to people that see my products as "overpriced."
 
If you were trying to make some kind of point in your original post, then you failed miserably at it. Don't think I (or anyone else) agreed with you because we didn't reply to your drivel.

You would do well to consider the reply you got, and get out of denial of how badly you presented whatever it was you thought you wrote.

You would do well to perhaps learn how to read and interpret, since apparently it seems very difficult for you. Don't know why your panties are in a bunch sweetykins. :)

Also, here are three people who replied and understood exactly what i was trying to say, one even slightly disagreed with me. Small tip for you, when debating in a forum, don't argue with people who agree with you.

Of course. You want to provide for the consumer, but not look to them for vision. Many people never realize what they need, anyway, or what they might find useful. Most people merely drift within popular opinion and peer expectations.

The average customer is better to help understand released products that actually use or would like to buy but are hesitant for some reason.

well, he could have at least listened to the many people wanting a second firwire-port... (there are just some things that would not hurt anybody to be listened to, and don't take much effort, I guess, an these are things that can't be compared to the "faster-horse-thing" mentioned before).

Customers vote with their paychecks, not with their focus group feedbacks. Apple takes a design decision not based on feedback on the core ideas themselves, but the products these ideas create.
 
The one thing that has always kept me with apple is how simple it is to use. If they stick to this method of doing things I will remain a loyal customer because I have tried just about every other computer, software and electronic device and they suck for 1 thing or another. I only hope Steve gets well and stays on track. Don't stray off to please everyone because you can't & in the end you only end up selling out.
 
The one thing that has always kept me with apple is how simple it is to use. If they stick to this method of doing things I will remain a loyal customer because I have tried just about every other computer, software and electronic device and they suck for 1 thing or another. I only hope Steve gets well and stays on track. Don't stray off to please everyone because you can't & in the end you only end up selling out.

I would like to see Apple "Sell Out"

What would that mean? USB 3.0, Lightpeak , Blu-Ray , HDMI, Drive Options for MacBooks??

?

Please ,,.....SELL OUT !
 
Albert Einstein openly sanctioned and supported the development of the atomic bomb. So no-one "misused" his theories, he basically donated them to the most violent cause ever conceived by man.

He sanctioned the research and what it could produce. In hindsight, the man realized his mistake. Oppenheimer did a great selling job and later regretted his efforts to convince everyone the humanity it would bring.
 
I Had no idea!!!!!!!!!!

Who would YOU buy something from?

This guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE

Or THIS guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOgOP_aqqtg

Who would YOU buy stuff from?

It's that simple. As without, so within, and vice-versa.

WOW! I had no idea Ballmer was a nut. Looked like he was having an "ants in the pants" moment there.

On a serious note though I must say that SJ has, over the years, earned my undying respect and admiration. He has the ability to take what already exists and create from that something no one else thought possible. When he speaks it is immediately apparent that he is serious about his goals and visions. I can think of no one else so eloquent at convincing people why they need the "next great thing" from a computer manufacturer.
 
Some bios say that Edison put his name on a lot of patents where his staff did most (maybe all?) of the work inventing. Edison also has some spectacular failures... DC for public power distribution for instance.

You're correct. Edison was a corrupt business man. His battles against Tesla will live in infamy.

Here is a piece on the history of Tesla [PDF] from the Plasma International Group:

http://www.plasma-i.com/assets/site-graphics/tesla/Tesla_Truth.pdf
 
Some bios say that Edison put his name on a lot of patents where his staff did most (maybe all?) of the work inventing. Edison also has some spectacular failures... DC for public power distribution for instance.

Check the patent office for patents with a certain "Steve Jobs" from Cupertino listed as an "inventor".

You'll find lots of cases that seem to put Jobs in the same category as Edison, for example:


Does anyone think that Steve Jobs is a qualified RF engineer?

Certainly after the Iphone 4 "AntennaGate" disaster they wouldn't....
 
Žalgiris;11774249 said:
Steve is awesome.



Or he is just too smart, too brilliant for some people to understand. Clearly he sees things no one else can see.

Ok, dude, do you REALIZE how much LSD (acid, you know, the hippie drug) Steve Jobs has done in his life time?? It's NO WONDER why he (and only he) thinks that his products are SOOOOO REVOLUTIONARY!! oooohhhh!!! The 'revolutionary' iPad? A revolution?? Are you kidding me? From personal experience, the only time I've ever thought anything was revolutionary was when I myself did LSD, and when I came down from it, I realized, "You know, the world is NOT a fairy tale!"

AidenShaw, above me, stated: "Does anyone think that Steve Jobs is a qualified RF engineer?

Certainly after the Iphone 4 "AntennaGate" disaster they wouldn't.... "

Yes, correct. Steve Jobs doesn't know ANYTHING about hardware. It was Woz who knew all about circuit board technology and all the technology behind everything. I mean, jobs knows how to write software, I mean, he came up with neXT, but as far as hardware, he really doesn't know. I mean why else does he only care about the fan(s) in macs being quiet instead of ACTIVELY cooling the system? Macs in general have a reputation of over heating. Anyway, when I say active cooling, I mean keeping the machine from reaching any temperature that is just not healthy for hardware. Yes, the machines can withstand about 217 degrees ferenheit, but that doesn't mean that it is healthy. Anybody who is windows/pc savvy can tell you that a processor should stay below around 145-150 degrees ferenheit. That's why someone invented SMCfancontrol. By the time the fan starts to actively cool, your processor and graphics card are already too hot.
 
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Ok, dude, do you REALIZE how much LSD (acid, you know, the hippie drug) Steve Jobs has done in his life time?? It's NO WONDER why he (and only he) thinks that his products are SOOOOO REVOLUTIONARY!! oooohhhh!!! The 'revolutionary' iPad? A revolution?? Are you kidding me? From personal experience, the only time I've ever thought anything was revolutionary was when I myself did LSD.

Yes, a nice windowpane made everything "magical"...


Yes, correct. Steve Jobs doesn't know ANYTHING about hardware.

Yet, the name "Steve Jobs" is listed as an inventor on hundreds of patents from a certain fruit company.

People criticizing Edison for patents should see if Apple's pot is the same color as Edison's kettle.
 
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couldnt of said it better!

You obviously never created anything. NEVER anything worth the attention I presume. It's so easy to destroy than to create. Let's see a company build a smartphone like the iPhone - intro it to the world and have every single company try to imitate the iPhone in every aspect.

Give the man some credit - he may not of single handedly built the iPhone but he took all the talent from the talent pool strung them together and whipped up something we know today.

It's so easy to criticize, complain, bxtch, moan, gripe, all of the negative views about a company who didn't make a product you wanted. It's not easy to satisfy one person let alone billions.

The sales of apple products PROVE ONE THING - Apple is doing it all right. It may not be what you imagined but it's definitely a majority vote. When you try to satisfy everyone, you end up making a mediocre product at best. The man knows what to create and what people want. Or else no one would buy it. There is no iSheep, iClone, consumers. There are only consumers who buy products they want and the others who don't buy them but love to hate/criticize.

I've seen much and do you even realize that the UI on the iOS device is so good no one really ever talks about how smooth the views animate, how smooth the scrolling is or how quickly things get done smoothly? Everyone is now on apple's case about dual processors, mega retina screen resolutions, and the list goes on but it takes super hard work and amazing creativity to make something so complex so simple. There isn't one single Android device in the making that is as smooth as the iPhone. NONE.

But who cares - we all complain about Steve Jobs being a control freak, blah blah blah - you can simply not buy his products if you assume he is a tech nazi. But give the man major credit for if not for Steve Jobs, we wouldn't have what we have today. He's just as important as bill gates except mr. gates got real lucky and took his oppurtunity and exponentially exploited it while mr. jobs decided to be original and innovative...
couldnt of said it better!
 
He may be a good business man, but he and apple has really lost focus since iOS. I want him to stop trying to control his customers. Who cares if people jailbreak, or repair their own devices, or voiding warranties. And this new pentalobe screw for the iPhone 4? Just another way to control their customers.

Jailbreaking is SOFTWARE based, so if the hardware is damaged, it doesn't have anything to do with the SOFTWARE, so therefore, apple should still honor warranties for jailbroken iPhones. A little collaboration with the customer to find out how the device broke would be easy. Whatever, I personally don't care, as I have the original 2g iPhone on tmobile.

Shortsighted and ignorant of you to say. While jailbreaking is technically software based, it can cause hardware damage, and in the case of some jailbreaks (such as the iPad baseband jailbreak) be permanent. I, too have a jalibroken iPhone on T-Mobile. Some of the software that has been on my iPhone as a result of the jailbreak has caused memory leaks and other side effects that have caused my iPhone to become as hot as a piece of coal. That can cause hardware damage.
 
Yes, a nice windowpane made everything "magical"...




Yet, the name "Steve Jobs" is listed as an inventor on hundreds of patents from a certain fruit company.

People criticizing Edison for patents should see if Apple's pot is the same color as Edison's kettle.

Inventing consists of two phases: conception, and reduction to practice. You'll find the circuit and code monkeys have a lot more to do with rtp than with conception (at least for the kinds of inventions Steve Jobs is associated with). But you're an "inventor" if you contribute to either.
 
Also from the same original article...

" I don't think that my role in life is to run big organizations and do incremental improvements. "

Hmm, times change.
 
Also from the same original article...

" I don't think that my role in life is to run big organizations and do incremental improvements. "

Hmm, times change.

How so? "A and B" is true only if both A and B are true. He may run a big organization, but the improvements they've done are hardly incremental. (Unless you think every new model must be revolutionary).
 
Inventing consists of two phases: conception, and reduction to practice. You'll find the circuit and code monkeys have a lot more to do with rtp than with conception (at least for the kinds of inventions Steve Jobs is associated with). But you're an "inventor" if you contribute to either.

But if you stay in the context of the thread - Edison was not involved as a contributor in your wider sense?

Either Edison and Jobs are "inventors" for helping in the wider sense of helping with the invention at some level of support or review - or they both are frauds for putting their names on patents where all the work was done by their employees.

And, if I followed many discussions here correctly, you get patents only on the "conception" - the RTP is unrelated.
 
Will there be a statue to Steve and Woz erected in the courtyard after their passing? Who knows. My take is it will follow the tradition of Bill and Dave and make it a very inspirational, almost retreat like setting with a good kitchen and very exclusive corporate housing.

Now THAT would have Apple really earning the "cult" label :rolleyes:
 
But if you stay in the context of the thread - Edison was not involved as a contributor in your wider sense?

Either Edison and Jobs are "inventors" for helping in the wider sense of helping with the invention at some level of support or review - or they both are frauds for putting their names on patents where all the work was done by their employees.

And, if I followed many discussions here correctly, you get patents only on the "conception" - the RTP is unrelated.

Re: your first point - yeah, I think Edison and Jobs are equivalent.

Re: your second point - no, you get a patent on an "invention," and you must identify all of the people who contributed to the "invention" as the inventors. This includes both those involved in conception ("aha! what if we crossed a chicken with a duck?!?!") and the reduction to practice (all the fancy gene-splicing to make it work).

Note that your list of inventors must be correct - you can't put people on there just to honor them, and you can't leave people off who contributed to conception or reduction to practice.

Edit: just to be clear, the inventor list corresponds to the inventors who contributed to the methods, machines, or compositions of matter in the patents' claims - if you contributed something to the invention as described in the patent document, but it is not claimed, you aren't listed as an inventor.
 
Grammar nazi say...

"...his views and attitudes about product design hasn't changed much..."

...should be "...haven't changed much..."

Regards,
The Grammar Nazi
 
Great interview! Thanks for that. This is the Steve Jobs I love… just telling it like he sees it. And telling us we should be able to get a custom pink Cadillac with purple leather seats within a week of ordering it no less! That might lead some to wonder why they can't order a pink xMac with blu-ray player… ;) Still, a very interesting read from a very, very intelligent man. I love that he was championing web standards even way back then. There are too many good one liners to quote them all. I recommend people just read the whole thing:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/4.02/jobs_pr.html

I agree with him about German appliances too. We're big fans of Bosch in our home.

Funny. Many of my appliances are Bosch as well. I view them as a "poor man's Miele." As I said earlier, I'd own 100% Miele if I could afford them.

As to the article, I'd probably be embarrassed to admit how many times I've read it over the years. I'm not entirely sure how I stumbled upon it, but I think I read it in dead-tree format initially.
 
Shortsighted and ignorant of you to say. While jailbreaking is technically software based, it can cause hardware damage, and in the case of some jailbreaks (such as the iPad baseband jailbreak) be permanent. I, too have a jalibroken iPhone on T-Mobile. Some of the software that has been on my iPhone as a result of the jailbreak has caused memory leaks and other side effects that have caused my iPhone to become as hot as a piece of coal. That can cause hardware damage.

I find that some people tend to just have bad luck with jailbreaks. I've never had a problem. As long as you know how to put your phone into either dfu mode or recovery mode, you will never brick it.

As for hardware damage due to jailbreaks, baseband is on a much deeper level than software. I'm only talking about software unlocking and jailbreaking.
 
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