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bnekic

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I noticed Best Buy came out with their own wireless charger made for iPhone. Much better price point than Belkin or Mophie and still supports faster 7.5w charging.

https://www.bestbuy.com//site/insig...-pad-for-iphone-black/5999807.p?skuId=5999807

*Update* fast charging, small size, starts charging immediately, no annoying beeping sounds, usb cable could be longer.

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DevinNj

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At $40 no thanks, they're under $20 on Amazon and eBay. Also I don't see where if says it's Apple MFi certified, but it shouldn't matter since Apple open sourced it to Qi standards.
 

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At $40 no thanks, they're under $20 on Amazon and eBay. Also I don't see where if says it's Apple MFi certified, but it shouldn't matter since Apple open sourced it to Qi standards.

I think it matters in a way. This way you know Apple NFi certified.

I don’t see where it says Apple MFi Certified either.
 
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bnekic

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Sorry but no. It would need to be MFi certified by Apple. Anyone can put "works with" but that doesn't mean a lot.

Sorry but yes, “Made for iPod, Made for iPhone, Made for iPad, and AirPlay logos communicate to customers that an electronic accessory has been designed to connect specifically to iPod, iPhone, or iPad, and has been certified by the developer to meet Apple performance standards.”

Those branding logos mean it’s MFi certified. Also this is Insignia which is a Best Buy brand not a cheap knockoff from eBay trying to pass as a certified product.
 
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jmgregory1

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Sorry but no. It would need to be MFi certified by Apple. Anyone can put "works with" but that doesn't mean a lot.

Qi is a standard for wireless charging. I'm not aware of Apple doing their own certification on Qi products, as that would likely go against the Qi standards and create confusion in the market. If this charging pad is Qi certified, then that is all you really need to know.
 

DevinNj

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I think it matters in a way. This way you know Apple NFi certified.

I don’t see where it says Apple MFi Certified either.

I get what you're saying, but Apple is using the Qi standard, not their own form of wireless charging, so if a product is Qi certified it should be fine.

Sorry but yes, “Made for iPod, Made for iPhone, Made for iPad, and AirPlay logos communicate to customers that an electronic accessory has been designed to connect specifically to iPod, iPhone, or iPad, and has been certified by the developer to meet Apple performance standards.”

Those branding logos mean it’s MFi certified. Also this is Insignia which is a Best Buy brand not a cheap knockoff from eBay trying to pass as a certified product.

I don't disagree with that, but this product says "works with" not "made for" and there aren't any official Apple logos on the packaging. The gas station chargers say "works with" but we all know they're not certified. Either way I'd use it it looks decent, but there are cheaper alternatives available.
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Qi is a standard for wireless charging. I'm not aware of Apple doing their own certification on Qi products, as that would likely go against the Qi standards and create confusion in the market. If this charging pad is Qi certified, then that is all you really need to know.

That was my point, if it's Qi certified it is fine.
 

AlphaGuitarist

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I got the Mophie wireless charging pad directly from Apple. It doesn't have the "MFi" logo anywhere on the package. As has already been stated, since Qi is not a standard proprietary to Apple, why would this product have to be Apple-certified, particularly since it works with any Qi-enabled device?
 

bnekic

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Wow never knew so many people were this confused. Apple has its own certification program to ensure 3rd party accessories work correctly and up to Apple performance standards. Also the cheap $20 wireless chargers will not support the faster 7.5w charging.

You can read about the Apple MFi here, https://developer.apple.com/programs/mfi/

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jdusoccer12

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Wow never knew so many people were this confused. Apple has its own certification program to ensure 3rd party accessories work correctly and up to Apple performance standards. Also the cheap $20 wireless chargers will not support the faster 7.5w charging.

You can read about the Apple MFi here, https://developer.apple.com/programs/mfi/

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Yeah and based on this I would say that the Insignia charger is not certified by Apple because it says "Works with iPhone" on the box. Certified products say "Made for iPhone".
 

bnekic

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OP, nobody's confused here. Simply stated the device you linked has no official Apple affiliation on the packaging other than "works with". I think its a nice charger too, but I've found cheaper that work just the same.

https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Wirele...12399562&sr=8-10&keywords=qi+wireless+charger

https://www.amazon.com/RAVPower-Wir...12399562&sr=8-17&keywords=qi+wireless+charger

The “Works with iPhone” branding on the package is the Apple MFi certification. Reference the links and pictures I provided above.

The chargers you listed are not cheaper as they don’t come with wall chargers. Also they don’t support 7.5w charging for iPhone, the only ones that do are the Belkin, Mophie, Insignia and RAVPower I linked below. Any other cheap Qi you buy on amazon or eBay will charge at 5w.

This is the RAVPower Charger you need to charge at 7.5w for iPhone 8/X

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075FHY8MB/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_pSwjAbDKK17P7
 
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jdusoccer12

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Yes you are still confused.

The “Works with iPhone” branding on the package is the Apple MFi certification. Reference the links and pictures I provided above.

The chargers you listed are not cheaper as they don’t come with wall chargers. Also they don’t support 7.5w charging for iPhone.

This is the RAVPower Charger you need to charge at 7.5w for iPhone 8/X

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075FHY8MB/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_pSwjAbDKK17P7

I am really not sure if you are trying to convince us that this Qi charger is awesome or convince yourself that the purchase was worth it. Either way it doesn't matter a Qi charger is a Qi charger and anyone of them will charge your iPhone. It is all up to personal preference after that, do you want price or faster charging.

Also no where on Best Buy's site does it mention that is supports fast charging on the iPhone. The link you sent me about the "Works with iPhone" branding is from 2007 when the original iPhone came out, so I am going to consider that no longer relevant to any technology. If you want an Apple certified accessory look for the "Made for iPhone" branding. I am not even sure Apple is certifying Qi chargers yet considering Mophie and Belkin both mention they worked closely with Apple to design their chargers, but never show or mention the "Made for iPhone" branding. If you want a Qi charger that Apple certifies I would only look at their website, as they will only sell products there that they test with their products.

But in the end it doesn't matter what Qi charger you buy or how much you spent as long as it chargers your phone and you are happy with it.
 

jmgregory1

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The “Works with iPhone” branding on the package is the Apple MFi certification. Reference the links and pictures I provided above.

The chargers you listed are not cheaper as they don’t come with wall chargers. Also they don’t support 7.5w charging for iPhone, the only ones that do are the Belkin, Mophie, Insignia and RAVPower I linked below. Any other cheap Qi you buy on amazon or eBay will charge at 5w.

This is the RAVPower Charger you need to charge at 7.5w for iPhone 8/X

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075FHY8MB/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_pSwjAbDKK17P7

The article you linked to, which itself was linked from a different article, referred to Apple's own Works with iPhone logo (from 2007 - should have given you all the info you needed based upon how old it is), which in fact is different than what the Insignia package shows - and that tells me that they're simply using the words to say, correctly I might add, that their charging pad works with the iPhone.

It's ABSOLUTELY NOT certified by Apple. Apple would never ok the use of the Works with iPhone branding as Insignia has implemented it. My bet is that Apple's attorneys will push Best Buy to remove this from the packaging, as it is too close and confusing for consumers - as evidenced by this topic being discussed.

Further, I believe the MFi program supersedes the works with iPhone program, making this whole discussion moot.
 
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bnekic

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I am really not sure if you are trying to convince us that this Qi charger is awesome or convince yourself that the purchase was worth it. Either way it doesn't matter a Qi charger is a Qi charger and anyone of them will charge your iPhone. It is all up to personal preference after that, do you want price or faster charging.

Also no where on Best Buy's site does it mention that is supports fast charging on the iPhone. The link you sent me about the "Works with iPhone" branding is from 2007 when the original iPhone came out, so I am going to consider that no longer relevant to any technology. If you want an Apple certified accessory look for the "Made for iPhone" branding. I am not even sure Apple is certifying Qi chargers yet considering Mophie and Belkin both mention they worked closely with Apple to design their chargers, but never show or mention the "Made for iPhone" branding. If you want a Qi charger that Apple certifies I would only look at their website, as they will only sell products there that they test with their products.

But in the end it doesn't matter what Qi charger you buy or how much you spent as long as it chargers your phone and you are happy with it.

Yes any Qi will charge the iPhone. Only ones that are certified will fast charge iPhone at 7.5w which are Belkin, Mophie, Insignia and RAVPower.

“Works with iPhone” is still relevant as it’s currently on the Apple store, I attached the pic below. “Works with iPhone” & “Made for iPhone” both mean it’s a certified 3rd party accessory.

The whole point of this post is Insignia is offering a 7.5w fast charger for $20 less than the others.

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bnekic

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The article you linked to, which itself was linked from a different article, referred to Apple's own Works with iPhone logo (from 2007 - should have given you all the info you needed based upon how old it is), which in fact is different than what the Insignia package shows - and that tells me that they're simply using the words to say, correctly I might add, that their charging pad works with the iPhone.

It's ABSOLUTELY NOT certified by Apple. Apple would never ok the use of the Works with iPhone branding as Insignia has implemented it. My bet is that Apple's attorneys will push Best Buy to remove this from the packaging, as it is too close and confusing for consumers - as evidenced by this topic being discussed.

Further, I believe the MFi program supersedes the works with iPhone program, making this whole discussion moot.

Lol, it’s on Apple’s site. Also Insignia offers two wireless chargers, only one is certified for iPhone.

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macher

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OP, nobody's confused here. Simply stated the device you linked has no official Apple affiliation on the packaging other than "works with". I think its a nice charger too, but I've found cheaper that work just the same.

https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Wirele...12399562&sr=8-10&keywords=qi+wireless+charger

https://www.amazon.com/RAVPower-Wir...12399562&sr=8-17&keywords=qi+wireless+charger

I’m the one that asked initially because at least for me it’s important to use a charger in this case that is actually certified by Apple. Yea it might work great but I only use accessories that is certified by Apple and that’s all I was asking.
 
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jmgregory1

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Lol, it’s on Apple’s site....

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Sure, and please compare this logo to the one currently being used by Insignia...Apple would never approve of the logo usage Insignia has implemented. They're simply hoping that using the iPhone brand will help sell more products - there is nothing certified about it.

And also note that if it says Works with iPhone, that it is certified by the manufacturer, NOT Apple - per Apple legal.
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I’m the one that asked initially because at least for me it’s important to use a charger in this case that is actually certified by Apple. Yea it might work great but I only use accessories that is certified by Apple and that’s all I was asking.

The only inductive charger you're going to want to use, based upon your criteria, is the AirPower mat, once it's released. Otherwise you're going to have to be ok with defaulting to devices that meet Qi standards.
 
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