insomnia...

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  1. chstr macrumors 6502a

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    how do you deal with it?

    I have to take a unisom every night in order to sleep. Usually it works like a charm but sometimes my insomnia just overpowers evreything. last night I was very restless and probably slept a total of 3 or 4 hours max. I made it through my work day, which was the first one after a 10 day vacation, and then took a unisom last night around 8 pm hoping to get a good night sleep. didn't work at all. Took another unsiom (first time I've evr tried this) around 1:30 this morning. It is now almost 3:30 and I still havent slept and now I'm freaking out because I have to go to work in about 3 hours, and then I have to drive to the city for an hour and a half for a 2 hour class and then drive back home for another hour and a half. there is really no way out of any of this. I'm getting pretty angry as I type this. :mad:
     
  2. Abstract macrumors Penryn

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    Whatever you do, don't get the urge to get out of bed to check this thread.


    Uh oh.....I hope you didn't read this.
     
  3. GoCubsGo macrumors Nehalem

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    If it is that bad seek medical advice. Offline.
     
  4. eawmp1 macrumors 601

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    1) Medical advice online is for fools
    2) Insomnia isn't a disease, it's a symptom. Poor sleep hygiene, stress, depression, lack of exercise, alcohol, stimulants, sleep apnea, pain, etc. are some of the myriad issues which lead to insomnia. Tranquilizers/hypnotics cause unconsciousness. They don't replicate the complex structure of sleep. They are habit-forming. Get the do a physician who concurs with this paragraph and get to the bottom of your issue. If the physician is quick to prescibe a medicine as a quick fix to get you out of the office, find a sleep medicien specialist/sleep psychologist.
    3) The harder you TRY to fall asleep, the less successful you will be.
     
  5. ayzee macrumors 6502a

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    Do you do much physical activities? Maybe mentally your tired but not physically. Try some weightlifting/running before you go to bed, you will sleep like a baby :)
     
  6. Knowlege Bomb macrumors 601

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    ** At least four hours before going to bed. Exercise and using a computer are two things that trick your body into thinking it's go time rather than sleep time.
     
  7. No ice please macrumors 6502

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    I don't have insomnia but I have all those symptoms minus the alcohol (under 21) Now I think I should see a Doctor.
     
  8. TSE macrumors 68030

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    I had some sleeping problems in the beginning of the school year, these are what was causing it I pretty much nailed it down to, which has fixed it:

    1. Stress - I quit procrastinating.

    2. Energy - I quit drinking caffeine/taurine/Vitamin B drinks/chocolate within 4 hours of bedtime.

    3. Physical - I starting working out 3-4 times a week, full body workout.

    And I got my sleeping problems under control. My anxiety problems are another story, however.
     
  9. chstr thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I do Bikram Yoga my friend ;) Did a class sunday and monday, should have knocked me right out

    thanks guys, anxiety is the big issue for me. I made it through today, wasn't fun though. Ended up sleeping about 2 hours tonight. Gonna pass out now...hopefully
     
  10. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I'll bet it's because you think obsessively. You need to quiet that crazed monkey that's bouncing around in your head. Have you tried meditation? One thing that happens when you meditate is that you find your thinking mind is not your "true" mind.

    Your thinking mind is the result of your brain and chemistry... your wiring... it is obsessive, usually shallow and self-centered. It will definitely keep you up at night. Your true mind is universal consciousness. It's always there, just masked by your monkey mind. Your true mind is expansive, compassionate and wise. Get more in touch with it and you'll sleep better.
     
  11. Knowlege Bomb macrumors 601

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    Veddy interesting...

    Any recommendations for programs?
     
  12. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I'm partial to Zen Buddhism. There's lots of places scattered across the country.
     
  13. Keniff macrumors 6502a

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    Maybe, just lay off that crack pipe?

    Or maybe, you're just worried about all those bodies you have in the basement (just get rid of them)!
     
  14. mgguy macrumors 6502

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    Transcendental Meditation
     
  15. Abstract macrumors Penryn

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    Try watching tv while laying down on the couch. Knocks me right out.
     
  16. niuniu macrumors 68020

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    I used to take melatonin, people swear by it - but it didn't help me at all. In the end I think it was subconscious stress that kept me awake for years..
     
  17. iBlue macrumors Core

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    Definitely but it's not usually the most restful and long-lasting sleep.

    ^ This.



    However to add on a more personal level, I suffered insomnia for years. Some nights I was lucky to get a 3-4 hours, sometimes I got none. It sucked. No wait, it would have to have gotten a lot better JUST TO SUCK. I had all sorts of meds that could knock me out but in the end I found that it really was situational. I was unhappy and when I made some big (and difficult) life changes I started sleeping again.

    Sometimes insomnia is a short-term thing and for that it may resolve without much effort from the sufferer but for chronic insomnia, it's a little more complicated.

    Try some white noise, like a fan or something like that. Don't have clocks glaring you in the face, it's unnecessary pressure (as odd as that sounds). Have clean, comfy sheets and your room not too hot or too cold. Maybe look into mediation. If nothing else it gives you something more peaceful to think about other than how much you wish you were asleep.

    Good luck!
     
  18. .Andy macrumors 68030

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    Whilst I mostly agree with the rest of what you typed I don't think this statement is entirely correct. Drugs such as temazepam most certainly help one sleep. Their job isn't to "replicate" sleep nor do they make you "unconscious" (unless you OD) - they facilitate sleep. And they're wonderdrug when used and as you emphasised, are prescribed properly.

    But not when taken short-term and as required. Again when prescribed and used properly.
     
  19. iBlue macrumors Core

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    Do you know if there have been any studies behind the quality of sleep (completing sleep cycles, etc) when it's chemically induced? While sleep of any kind is better than none it's something I'm curious about.

    In the throes of insomnia I found benzos and other sleep-aids to be a little difficult not to misuse. I was so desperate for sleep and when the regular dose didn't work I resorted to taking more. They are indeed wonder drugs but they do just treat (oh so kindly too) rather than "cure" the problem and can sometimes exacerbate the problem. I can't deny their usefulness at all though, even if there are some down sides.
     
  20. .Andy macrumors 68030

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    I just wrote a long post with a lot of references and lost it all to a crappy network - argh :D!

    Anyway there's a fair bit of research out there but a bit confounded. The field of sleep in it's modern incarnation is relatively young. It focuses more on sleep from subjective measures (rate your sleep on a scale of 1-10) to more objective (i.e cognitive performance and reflexes etc after sleep). Measures that are perhaps more meaningful in the real world than sleep cycles (but these are measured too). A lot of the good big research studies are funded from a POV of accidents/workplace productivity as a result of insomnia. The drugs are really only good for short-course/non-continuous use as you and eawmp1 point out and some people can't tolerate them at all given the problems with daytime effects. From memory benzos decrease the amount of REM sleep by <10% and you end up sleeping more lightly than you otherwise would (which of course is not applicable if you've insomnia).

    Anywyay to dump some references (which I'll readily admit aren't exactly what you are after but are in line with what wer'e discussing - if you'd like them I can email them to you :).

    This is interesting (and inexcusable) and reiterates what yourself and eawmp1 were emphasising;
    Of course the other place there's lots of research done into benzos (and other drugs) and sleep is the military;


     
  21. toolbox macrumors 68020

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    Yep me too even if the show is good i will still fall asleep
     
  22. iBlue macrumors Core

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    Oh I hate when that happens, you get a great post and technology fails.

    Thanks for the reply and the references. And sure, if it's not too much of a bother to gather I'd like to read more. I think you have my email address.
     
  23. .Andy macrumors 68030

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    No probs Blue got your addy. Will try and email them to you tomorrow. I'm on a bit of a gimped computer here and should have access to a better one then :).
     
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