Installing Java on 10.4.11

Discussion in 'macOS' started by Pedro Antonio, Mar 29, 2010.

  1. Pedro Antonio macrumors newbie

    Mar 29, 2010
    Doing a complete new install on a number of pre-cleaned HDs on numerous models of older donated Macs (G4/G3s desktops, iMac Bondi CPUs) for a graphic design program I'm starting for inner city kids. After installing 10.4 from an original Tiger disk, then installing 10.4.11 combo update followed by Security Update 2009-005, I want to insure I'm also using the most recent version of Java for this install as well. But when I install Java for Mac OS X 10.4, Release 9, I get the message I need to install earlier version(s) first(?).
  2. MisterMe macrumors G4


    Jul 17, 2002
    Java is an integral part of MacOS X. There is no need to install additional software for MacOS X 10.4.11.
  3. chown33 macrumors 604

    Aug 9, 2009
    Yes, that's correct. The Java updates on 10.4 were incremental releases, which required the previous release in order to install the next.

    I forget exactly which one is needed to start, but I think it might "Release 4", which is around the point where Java 5 was released for 10.4.

    Another approach is to work backwards until it works. Download Release 8, try to install it. If it complains, go to Release 7. Repeat until it works, then install subsequent updates.

    It's a big pain when bringing a new system up to date, but it made sense when each release was made at the time.
  4. MisterMe macrumors G4


    Jul 17, 2002
    No, it is not a big pain. If you get no additional updates when you run Software Update, your Java is up-to-date along with all of your other Apple software.
  5. Pedro Antonio thread starter macrumors newbie

    Mar 29, 2010
    No need to install additional software for MacOS X 10.4.11

    I've gotten download notices in the past from OS X's auto SOFTWARE UPDATE program listing updates specifically FOR Java. Why would Apple post all these incrementally numbered Java release downloads on their site? Are you saying the latest version of Java is automatically included and installed in either the 10.4.11 combo update and/or the Security Update 2009-005 for 10.4? Having said this, please elaborate further on the certainty of your information that I don't need to update Java or "install additional software for MacOS X 10.4.11."
  6. MacTech68, Mar 30, 2010
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2011

    MacTech68 macrumors 68020


    Mar 16, 2008
    Australia, Perth
    It might depend on the version of 10.4 you begin with.

    For instance, when I install my iBook 10.4.3 and update to 10.4.11, Software update then wants Java release 4,5,6,7,8 & 9. A real pain but I have these on a server at home.

    If you start with a late 10.4 from an Intel Mac, say 10.4.10 on a Mac mini (Mid 2007), then many of them are probably included on the original install.

    It does surprise me that each release since release 4 is around 80MB but these are Universal Binaries. The exception is release 8 which is a paltry 1.6MB.

    Release 4 was available as separate PPC and Intel builds at 30-40MB each.

    Exactly why there isn't a single Java Update for 10.4.11 that installs the latest revision in one step, only Apple knows.

    EDIT: General rule of thumb: If Software Update says you need it and ticks it automatically, you DO need it. You also need to re-check after it's installed.

    One trick that may be handy is that 10.4.x was the first OS to allow you to queue installs. Unfortunately for Java, the second last thing the installer does (writing package receipt) needs to be done before you can launch the next Java Update - this saves rebooting, which isn't required for Java Updates.
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