Intel 10th generation for macbook pro 16

[keyben85]

Hi,

Got a question where I didn't find the answer.
The whole 10th generation information is little bit a mess.

A lot of people saying, be aware you get old 9th generation cpu's in the new macbook pro. Next year the 10th generation on the 10nm process will arrive. So in 6-12 months there will be a refresh.

But what I read is that the new Ice Lakes on the 10nm will come for the lower end models end this year/next year and macbook pro uses the more performance H series. No High end Ice lake are announced. + Intel also announced the Comet Lakes on the current 14nm process.

“One [Ice Lake] is for entertainment and for intelligent performance. The other one [Comet Lake] is for productivity,” said Ron Senderovitz, the vice president of mobile platform marketing for Intel’s Client Computing Group, in a recent briefing.

My question, is it correct to presume that, when the macbook pro 16 will get a refresh, it will be with Comet Lakes on the 14nm process and not the new Ice lake 10 nm like a lot of people are mentioning on forums?

I can wait now but I find an upgrade for Ice Lake a bigger upgrade than for Comet lake. Ok both get Wifi6, LPDDR 4, etc. But I think 10nm will be a greater deal for waiting a few months. If the high end 10nm ice lake is not coming in 2020, I can better buy the 2019 version now.

 

[Nick A]

Someone more knowledgeable than I am on Intel's roadmap will likely comment, but honestly there's always a new processor and a new gen coming out.

If the current MBP meets your needs, I say go for it. If you wait for the 10th gen CPUs, by then you'll be saying maybe I should wait for the 11th and so on. I don't think LPDDR4 will make a significant difference, the battery life is already excellent on the 16".

Also, Apple uses a chip from Murata for WiFi and Bluetooth, as far as I can tell it's completely independent from the CPU.

 

[Kraizelburg]

Hi,

Got a question where I didn't find the answer.
The whole 10th generation information is little bit a mess.

A lot of people saying, be aware you get old 9th generation cpu's in the new macbook pro. Next year the 10th generation on the 10nm process will arrive. So in 6-12 months there will be a refresh.

But what I read is that the new Ice Lakes on the 10nm will come for the lower end models end this year/next year and macbook pro uses the more performance H series. No High end Ice lake are announced. + Intel also announced the Comet Lakes on the current 14nm process.

“One [Ice Lake] is for entertainment and for intelligent performance. The other one [Comet Lake] is for productivity,” said Ron Senderovitz, the vice president of mobile platform marketing for Intel’s Client Computing Group, in a recent briefing.

My question, is it correct to presume that, when the macbook pro 16 will get a refresh, it will be with Comet Lakes on the 14nm process and not the new Ice lake 10 nm like a lot of people are mentioning on forums?

I can wait now but I find an upgrade for Ice Lake a bigger upgrade than for Comet lake. Ok both get Wifi6, LPDDR 4, etc. But I think 10nm will be a greater deal for waiting a few months. If the high end 10nm ice lake is not coming in 2020, I can better buy the 2019 version now.

Due to Intel manufacturing problems they have not realeased 10th gen H Ice Lake series chip yet.

Next MBP 16 refresh will prob have 10th gen Comet Lake as you mentioned above which is 14+++nm a marginal improvement over 9th gen

 

[poorcody]

My question, is it correct to presume that, when the macbook pro 16 will get a refresh, it will be with Comet Lakes on the 14nm process and not the new Ice lake 10 nm like a lot of people are mentioning on forums?

I can wait now but I find an upgrade for Ice Lake a bigger upgrade than for Comet lake. Ok both get Wifi6, LPDDR 4, etc. But I think 10nm will be a greater deal for waiting a few months. If the high end 10nm ice lake is not coming in 2020, I can better buy the 2019 version now.

Yes, my understanding is your presumption is correct. That's part of the reason I also decided (among other factors) that now was a good time to invest in the 16".

 

[Ries]

Im on a 2011 and annoyed as hell that I can't upgrade the OS have the new features. But nothing would make be buy butterfly, not even if it died. Im annoyed the new one hasn't wifi6 and the audio pops, but I pulled the trigger for a i9 anyway. If a 10th gen 10nm or OLED pops up in a year or two, I'll sell it and switch.

 

[leman]

My question, is it correct to presume that, when the macbook pro 16 will get a refresh, it will be with Comet Lakes on the 14nm process and not the new Ice lake 10 nm like a lot of people are mentioning on forums?

Based on what we know now, I think you are spot-on.

I can wait now but I find an upgrade for Ice Lake a bigger upgrade than for Comet lake.

I fully agree with you. Intel has been re-releasing slightly tweaked Skylake CPUs for a few years now. Comet Lake will be just another tweak.

“One [Ice Lake] is for entertainment and for intelligent performance. The other one [Comet Lake] is for productivity,” said Ron Senderovitz, the vice president of mobile platform marketing for Intel’s Client Computing Group, in a recent briefing.

That is to funny! Why not "we are struggling to reach high clocks on our 10nm process right now, so we still need a year or so to work out the kinks before we can think about using it for high-performance applications".

 

[littlepud]

Tom's Hardware - Major Intel Roadmap Leak: Ice Lake in Q2, Tiger Lake And 14nm Rocket Lake In 2020

Now looks like a great time to buy a 16-inch machine, as there won't be any major Intel releases in the 45-watt H-series for the next 6 months. Comet Lake will still be the same 14nm Skylake micro-architecture, but tweaked for 10 cores and LPDDR4. Intel Gen10 graphics will be irrelevant for us since we all have dGPUs on the 16-inch.

 

[Ries]

Intel Gen10 graphics will be irrelevant for us since we all have dGPUs on the 16-inch.

Not completely, 10th gen GFX have variable refresh rate and a lot more power to drive the UI. 120Hz promotion with the screen able to adapt to any movies frame rate, so no "magic" have to happen during conversion of the frame rates. We got it partially by being able to change the refresh rate manually on the 16".

 

[keyben85]

Thank you all for confirming this. That was very useful. I know what to buy this year now ;-)

 

[danwells]

This roadmap is worse than any I'd seen previously - it clearly shows Rocket Lake is coming after Comet Lake for 45 watt H series CPUs. Previously, Rocket Lake was confirmed for desktop machines, but H-series CPUs were unclear... Rocket Lake is YetAnotherLake, version 372 - 14nm++++++++++++++. This leaves the first 10nm MBP (or maybe 7nm - Intel may simply skip 10nm on some chips) in 2022...

 

[impulse462]

This roadmap is worse than any I'd seen previously - it clearly shows Rocket Lake is coming after Comet Lake for 45 watt H series CPUs. Previously, Rocket Lake was confirmed for desktop machines, but H-series CPUs were unclear... Rocket Lake is YetAnotherLake, version 372 - 14nm++++++++++++++. This leaves the first 10nm MBP (or maybe 7nm - Intel may simply skip 10nm on some chips) in 2022...

yeah i was gonna say. looks like no 10nm 45W cpus for at least 2 years.

 

[ss.soulbeat]

As far as I know, Comet lake doesn't come with integrated graphics... Ice lake does.

Using Comet lake chips, would mean, due to lack of integrated graphics, power efficiency being greatly affected. I don't think this is a path Apple would follow.

 

[jz0309]

I do not trust any Intel roadmap anymore ... they have failed way too many times

 

[danwells]

The only thing I trust them on is that they'll release AT LEAST as many 14nm+++++++++ generations as they're claiming. Both Comet Lake and Rocket Lake lie between us and any real new CPUs.

Comet Lake versions we've seen so far may not come with iGPU (I thought they did, though) - but the H-series certainly will.

The only way Intel stops iterating this same chip is if AMD takes a shot at them in the laptop space. Note that Intel desktop chips are moving now - an 18-core monster for $1000. They saw the competition on their tail. AMD doesn't make credible notebook chips (a few first-generation quad-core Ryzens with nice graphics is about it), so Intel keeps selling old chips for brand-new prices. If there was a credible 8-core 45W Zen2 Ryzen 7 or 9, we might see Intel try something new.

 

[workerbee]

If there was a credible 8-core 45W Zen2 Ryzen 7 or 9, we might see Intel try something new.

This implies Intel either isn‘t afraid of Apple switching to their own CPUs or knowing they can’t do anything about it anyway (seen from the perspective of our tiny Apple island, of course – how much this actually means to Intel, I wouldn’t know).

 

[Pro7913]

Hi,

Got a question where I didn't find the answer.
The whole 10th generation information is little bit a mess.

A lot of people saying, be aware you get old 9th generation cpu's in the new macbook pro. Next year the 10th generation on the 10nm process will arrive. So in 6-12 months there will be a refresh.

But what I read is that the new Ice Lakes on the 10nm will come for the lower end models end this year/next year and macbook pro uses the more performance H series. No High end Ice lake are announced. + Intel also announced the Comet Lakes on the current 14nm process.

“One [Ice Lake] is for entertainment and for intelligent performance. The other one [Comet Lake] is for productivity,” said Ron Senderovitz, the vice president of mobile platform marketing for Intel’s Client Computing Group, in a recent briefing.

My question, is it correct to presume that, when the macbook pro 16 will get a refresh, it will be with Comet Lakes on the 14nm process and not the new Ice lake 10 nm like a lot of people are mentioning on forums?

I can wait now but I find an upgrade for Ice Lake a bigger upgrade than for Comet lake. Ok both get Wifi6, LPDDR 4, etc. But I think 10nm will be a greater deal for waiting a few months. If the high end 10nm ice lake is not coming in 2020, I can better buy the 2019 version now.

10nm from Intel isn't good in terms of performance and that's why that keeps making 14nm. Also, Intel will switch from 14nm to 7nm in 2021. So 10nm will not last more than 2 years since Intel is focusing on 7nm in order to strick AMD back to compete.