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Intel 12900HK is faster than M1 Max for both single and multi cores.

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I've always been of the position that Apple (or ARM) is not magical and that other companies, especially one dedicated to making microprocessors, can be competitive. Intel has had trouble producing processors on anything other than 14nm for quite some time. As the M1 is manufactured on 4nm process technology that alone gives it a big step up on Intel. That said until Alder Lake ships and is in systems which can be benchmarked I am not going to declare it a winner.

Either way competition is a good thing.
 
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m1maverick said:
I've always been of the position that Apple (or ARM) is not magical and that other companies, especially one dedicated to making microprocessors, can be competitive. Intel has had trouble producing processors on anything other than 14nm for quite some time. As the M1 is manufactured on 4nm process technology that alone gives it a big step up on Intel. That said until Alder Lake ships and is in systems which can be benchmarked I am not going to declare it a winner.

Either way competition is a good thing.
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M1 is still using 5nm. Will see 4nm for the A16.
 
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I already said it before, Intel is not bad, it is simply their manufacturing division in the USA who is screwing up.

If Intel outsources their manufacturing to TMSC (which Intel is planning to do, with the switch to 3mm), they can be back.

But AMD and Apple don’t have to worry about this chip for now. They will still have less TDP thanks to TMSC.

I am more interested in the new chip from AMD that is coming.
 
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I already said it before, Intel is not bad, it is simply their manufacturing division in the USA who is screwing up.

If Intel outsources their manufacturing to TMSC (which Intel is planning to do, with the switch to 3mm), they can be back.

But AMD and Apple don’t have to worry about this chip for now. They will still have less TDP thanks to TMSC.

I am more interested in the new chip from AMD that is coming.
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This simply isn't true. Intel definitely struggles due to fab but the long term issue is that x86 and x86_64 are just inferior to aarch64 (ARM) and everyone in the world knows it now.

At a performance-per-watt ARM is always going to win and it's mostly just based on some simple things in the architecture that allow it to be.
 
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UBS28 said:
I already said it before, Intel is not bad, it is simply their manufacturing division in the USA who is screwing up.

If Intel outsources their manufacturing to TMSC (which Intel is planning to do, with the switch to 3mm), they can be back.

But AMD and Apple don’t have to worry about this chip for now. They will still have less TDP thanks to TMSC.

I am more interested in the new chip from AMD that is coming.
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Intel is bad. They've been bad for quite some time, resting on their name while Apple and AMD passed them up. Fortunately, competition is a lovely thing, and has caused Intel to pull their heads from their nether regions and start innovating again. I'm glad to see Intel trying to smoke the competition again. They've been lazy for years now.
 
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Bandaman said:
Intel is bad. They've been bad for quite some time, resting on their name while Apple and AMD passed them up. Fortunately, competition is a lovely thing, and has caused Intel to pull their heads from their nether regions and start innovating again. I'm glad to see Intel trying to smoke the competition again. They've been lazy for years now.
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Just wait and see when Intel switches to the TMSC 3mm process. They will make a big jump then.
 
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The M2 should be out early 2022 and should come with improved CPU and GPU performance over the M1, followed by the M2 Pro and M2 Max.

So this Intel CPU should be going head to head with the M2 and it's variant instead of the M1.
 
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The M2 should be out early 2022 and should come with improved CPU and GPU performance over the M1, followed by the M2 Pro and M2 Max.

So this Intel CPU should be going head to head with the M2 and it's variant instead of the M1.
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The latest release from Intel/AMD/Apple should be compared to the latest release from their competitors. I don't think there is really another fair way to compare them. People can't buy "tomorrow's processor", they can only buy what's available today.
 
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The latest release from Intel/AMD/Apple should be compared to the latest release from their competitors. I don't think there is really another fair way to compare them. People can't buy "tomorrow's processor", they can only buy what's available today.
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Unless I'm reading the linked article in the first post wrong, it looks like Intel's new M1 Max beating processor will be releasing early 2022?
 
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wccftech.com

Intel Alder Lake Mobility CPU Benchmarks Leaked: Faster Than The Apple M1 Max, Smokes AMD 5980HX, 11980HK

So we have something very interesting for our readers today. We were able to exclusively get our hands on the first-ever benchmarks for Intel's upcoming Alder Lake mobility processors - which are going to go head to head against the Apple M1 Max processors clawing away market share as well as...
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A computer is more than just its processor. The Apple Silicon SOC cannot be beat by just a slightly faster CPU.
 
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Remember that the M1 Max and Pro are using last year's architecture (Firestorm instead of Avalanche). And Alder Lake has many more efficiency cores. So Intel is somewhat ahead of Apple's last gen design in single core, and somewhat ahead with much more E-cores. Apple is still ahead, architecture-wise. And don't even get started on performance per watt. How many laptops will actually have the cooling to have this type of performance?
 
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huge_apple_fangirl said:
Remember that the M1 Max and Pro are using last year's architecture (Firestorm instead of Avalanche). And Alder Lake has many more efficiency cores. So Intel is somewhat ahead of Apple's last gen design in single core, and somewhat ahead with much more E-cores. Apple is still ahead, architecture-wise. And don't even get started on performance per watt. How many laptops will actually have the cooling to have this type of performance?
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Apple is using 5nm while Intel is using 7nm which is one gen ago. I dont think that's a fair comparison.
 
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