LOL 3090s have been at that price for how long now 2 months? And they will just magically drop in the next few weeks?
Unless you are over clocking in a big way cooling should not be difficult. Most gamers run lots of cooling. Either water cooling + a bunch of fans or quality air cooling from Noctua and a few others....all RGB of course.
I would bet good money on it. I see Apple having 3 levels of M chips. We have now seen the low and medium chips from them and those chips will power laptops and desktops. The only question is what comes from them at the high end and will it be in some form of laptop.
Lol, good one.
I’m just saying for 90% of ordinary customers a Macbook/iMac is just a brand of computer and they will compare it to whatever model is available from Dell,HP,MS etc for similar price rangeUnless Windows laptops and PC’s start running, say, Logic Pro overnight, there’s no competition. If you need speed in an app that’s cross platform, get a Windows system and an AMD or Intel processor. If you need a Mac app, you won’t be able to buy faster Macs than the ones Apple makes
If you are running a desktop computer aimed at gamers, do you really think they care about the power it uses?240W...LOL. Does Intel rhyme with fail?
No, they've always been at that price if you're patient and wait. in addition to Apple systems, I've bought numerous 30x0 cards, RTX5000 and RTX8000 as well as i-CPUs and Xeon Platinums, also full Dell Precision systems since the chip shortage started and I've never paid more than retail. With Dell I'm still at 40%+ discount over retail as usual. Then again, I'm buying six-figure in hardware every year and every few years seven/eight-figure for upgrading GPU clusters.
I could not agree more. This new Intel chip will compete with the M1 Pro/Max in the up-coming iMac. Apple is kind of the supply chain management, they will not have 20 different computer chips at the end of the day. 10 or less, probably 6, 2 at the low, mid and high end.
I'm pushing some of my work off to a "big computer", it's in the Top100 right now, about 60k cores, about 500TB of RAM, about 690.00kW power consumption... should I feel bad now? No, because I need it to get the damn job done in reasonable time.
Not at all, but people here are only pointing it out so that Apple “wins” in this argument against Intel
I agree, Apple will use the M1 Pro/Max that are currently in the new laptops for the iMac 27 inch replacement. Just like they did with the 24inch iMac and the M1 chip.
Exactly my point. Desktop computers users with high end hardware do not care about power and heat...unless something is not working.
They have announced huge investments as part of their new "IDM 2.0" strategy, including $20 billion for two new fabs in the US and $100 billion for new manufacturing cababilities in Europe. Intel is still a very profitable company and one of the few that can handle this kind of investment.
TSMC executed very well in recent years, but they aren't the pope, i.e. infallible. ;-) They stumbled back during the transition from planar to FinFET transistors, and they now seem to have trouble with their 3nm process and are late with the transition to GAA. Intel made some strategic mistakes a few years ago, but according to their recent quarterly report they seem to be back on schedule with their new processes.
The Alder Lake laptop parts will most likely be revealed before the end of the year and launch early next year (perhaps at CES in January).
They are already working on the processes that will come to markets 3 years from now. There were reports that they have already risk-produced CPUs using their "Intel 5" process.
What in the world are you going off on? You are SO off topic. You said that you can build one for far less. I showed you you can’t. Then you argued I was $50 off. Lol.
How about you learn to read? I never said you can build one for far less, that was someone else. I corrected your pricing that you might have pulled off ebay. Your pricing is way off. Again you ended up on $5350 fantasy pricing from ebay. I throw in the $10k for MBP right now without waiting... You still don't understand what it's about, but that's ok.
Again, learn to read or even better, understand. Where did I say you can beat a M1 Max with a 3060 for video work? Nowhere! You don't even understand the terminology or technology, but keep arguing. Let me explain it, here's what I said:
M1 Max has a high fill rate, that's where it shines and high fill rates are what you want for video/photo work. Pushing pixels around. For GP computing, that is not the case. The GP means General Purpose, as in GPGPU. That is doing pure calculations, computing and not using pixels. You're only using matrices and tensors here, without the need for pixels and visualization. The 3060 is enough to beat the M1 Max for GP computing, not pure video/photo work, for which it was specifically designed as you can see by the high fill rates it provides.
Zzzz.
Take the CPU for $700, the GPU for $1500 (my local dealer actually has one in stock but reserved for that price, if the customer won't pick it up next week I'll grab it), you can get the RAM for $600. Could go on, but go with the fantasy pricing.
Oh wow. So you have now knocked off 200 dollars by buying budget components. Good job.Take the CPU for $700, the GPU for $1500 (my local dealer actually has one in stock but reserved for that price, if the customer won't pick it up next week I'll grab it), you can get the RAM for $600. Could go on, but go with the fantasy pricing.
How about we discuss hardware engineering and performance requirements a little more?
I thought I would never agree with you... careful, pigs might start to fly around now.
Indeed. I'm tempted, but holding on. The 12900k actually draws less power on E-Cores for AVX-512 instructions than previous generations. Certainly a good chip.
LOL. You got there by inflating pricing and adding supplemental parts.