Intel Alder Lake Chips for Desktops Faster Than M1 Max in Benchmarks, But Use Much More Power

[NLLV]

Jade 2C-Die and Jade 4C-Die have yet to make an appearance (the M1 Max is Jade C-Die, and the M1 Pro is Jade C-Chop). They may not end up in the iMac Pro and only in the Mac Pro, but still.

That is good to hear and promising. Honestly, as someone who purchased the most expensive non pro intel iMac last year, I am willing to sell it and go with an M1. I own the OG M1 Macbook Pro, but see zero reason to invest in another desktop if they are just mirroring the M1 Pro Max in the next iMac.

Why would I not just buy a fully specced out Macbook and 2 super nice monitors at this point?

 

[Unregistered 4U]

There is likely no desktop version of the M1 chips. If last year was indicative of what apple will do, we will see an M1 Pro and M1 Pro Max version of an iMac.

Maybe Apple will release a tower based desktop with some sort of over the top M1 chip with 32 high performance cores or something crazy, however last year they could have released the M1 Pro as a "iMac Pro" running an M1 chip and did not.

What would take up the space in a tower based desktop, though? Slots, normally, but Apple’s removed the need for those with the GPU being on-chip and what used to be space for AfterBurner slots ALSO being on-chip. Perhaps just room for additional internal storage? If that’s it, then it wouldn’t make for a very towery tower.

 

[NLLV]

What would take up the space in a tower based desktop, though? Slots, normally, but Apple’s removed the need for those with the GPU being on-chip and what used to be space for AfterBurner slots ALSO being on-chip. Perhaps just room for additional internal storage? If that’s it, then it wouldn’t make for a very towery tower.

That is a good point, but take a look at the form factor the G4 Cube was in. Something even that size would allow for a larger PSU and better thermals for a more powerful version of an M1 chip that would draw more power and would negate the use of fans altogether.

In a perfect world too, there would be a spot for nand flash, but knowing Apple and the business model of marking up storage and RAM, that is never happening (but would be find to do without ever impacting the system performance).

 

[lambertjohn]

does it really matter? Apple has moved on from Intel ...

And now Intel has moved on from Apple...

 

[theotherphil]

If Apple chooses to not make desktops that is on them, but their products are still going to be compared to one. Apple knows they can't compete, at least with released products, against desktop chips. As a result, they will likely not release a new pro desktop just to save face. Until they have a pro desktop we have to compare their MBP to the desktop because it's the only option they provide.

Why do you feel Apple is trying to compete with desktop processors in their laptop format? Apple quite specifically compared against other laptops in their keynote. That is the market that they are targeting….it is you, and others like you that continue to compare a high end desktop to a laptop.

I do like your conflicting statements, however. There are better and cheaper options for gaming? Surely you don't mean to imply that there is a single product that is both better and cheaper than PC gaming. Because that's fundamentally false. XBone and PS5 are nowhere near as good as PC gaming. So what product might you be referring to? The Switch? the Quest? Some Tiger handheld?

None of my statements are conflicting….why would I purchase a $5k laptop to play games when a) I don’t play games and b) the laptop is what earns me money? There’s many options for that at a substantially cheaper price including desktop PC’s, gaming laptops, consoles and mobile form factors. No one in their right mind would purchase a MBP for gaming.

Also, why did you share this uncomfortable YT?

It’s uncomfortable when you’ve been sold the myth that a high end desktop PC is the best tool for every workflow and then come to the realisation that your $10K desktop machine takes twice as long to complete h.264/ h.265 encoding and takes 10x longer in ProRES than a $5k laptop. Marques Brownlee found the same….the M1 MAX destroys his $50K 28c Mac Pro with 768GB RAM and after burner card. Both of those options are tethered with an umbilical cord to mains power.

10x faster encoding in ProRES, one of the most common post production formats, means that videographers can earn a LOT more money AND be mobile whilst we’re doing it. I can literally perform functions on site, with a client that were previously not possible….this is a massive time saving and great for our relationship. The M1 MAX will pay for itself in less than 3 months…..as other pros have also found:

”We recently found that the new 2021 M1 MacBooks cut our Android build times in half.

So for a team of 9, $32k of laptops will actually save $100k in productivity over 2022. The break-even point happens at 3 months.

TL;DR Engineering hours are much more expensive than laptops!”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1455971162060697613

Who would have thought that Apple would ever be the most cost effective option?

 

[TheMacDaddy1]

Nintendo Switch leads the pack here. Game availability trumps the need to push for bleeding edge visual specs.

Says you. I am a big time gamer but have never owned a single Nintendo product. I like my bleeding Edge visuals. My Xbox Series X pre-downloaded BF 2042 and I will be playing it on the 12th in all of its visual glory, probably for the next 2-3 years.

Today I flew a 2 hour mission on DCS with 5 other friends on my gaming PC. It was a great time.

 

[4jasontv]

Why do you feel Apple is trying to compete with desktop processors in their laptop format? Apple quite specifically compared against other laptops in their keynote. That is the market that they are targeting….it is you, and others like you that continue to compare a high end desktop to a laptop.

I am not comparing Desktops and Laptops. I am comparing computers.

None of my statements are conflicting….why would I purchase a $5k laptop to play games when a) I don’t play games and b) the laptop is what earns me money? There’s many options for that at a substantially cheaper price including desktop PC’s, gaming laptops, consoles and mobile form factors. No one in their right mind would purchase a MBP for gaming.

You said there are better and cheaper alternatives to PC gaming. There isn't.

It’s uncomfortable when you’ve been sold the myth that a high end desktop PC is the best tool for every workflow and then come to the realisation that your $10K desktop machine takes twice as long to complete h.264/ h.265 encoding and takes 10x longer in ProRES than a $5k laptop. Marques Brownlee found the same….the M1 MAX destroys his $50K 28c Mac Pro with 768GB RAM and after burner card.

10x faster encoding in ProRES, one of the most common post production formats, means that videographers can earn a LOT more money AND be mobile whilst we’re doing it. The M1 MAX will pay for itself in less than 3 months…..as other pros have also found:

”We recently found that the new 2021 M1 MacBooks cut our Android build times in half.

So for a team of 9, $32k of laptops will actually save $100k in productivity over 2022. The break-even point happens at 3 months.

TL;DR Engineering hours are much more expensive than laptops!”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1455971162060697613

Is that what he was trying to tell me? I thought he was trying to ask me to prom and just couldn't muster the courage. I couldn't listen to him.

For what it's worth, being cheaper and faster the break-even point for intel would probably be 2 months.

 

[4jasontv]

Says you. I am a big time gamer but have never owned a single Nintendo product. I like my bleeding Edge visuals. My Xbox Series X pre-downloaded BF 2042 and I will be playing it on the 12th in all of its visual glory, probably for the next 2-3 years.

Today I flew a 2 hour mission on DCS with 5 other friends on my gaming PC. It was a great time.

Real gamers own two thousand titles they have never launched and 3000 hours in one.

 

[theotherphil]

You said there are better and cheaper alternatives to PC gaming. There isn't.

I stated “I’m not in the market for anything that plays games because there’s better and cheaper options out there.”

You are putting words in peoples mouth and twisting what they say to fit your narrative. There’s no way to have a reasonable discussion with you so I’ll leave it there.

Intel Alder Lake Chips for Desktops Faster Than M1 Max in Benchmarks, But Use Much More Power

You can compare all you want but you are wasting your time doing it here. I’m going to hazard a guess that everybody who has purchased an M1 MAX is doing so exactly because it is mobile and offers the best performance in that form factor. I am not in the market for a desktop, I never was. I am...

forums.macrumors.com

 

[Stella]

Real gamers own two thousand titles they have never launched and 3000 hours in one.

LOL!

I like the Epic Store free games on Thursday, which I 'buy', but have only played a handful... the rest are for a 'rainy day' - which will probably never come!

 

[Analog Kid]

Jade 2C-Die and Jade 4C-Die (16 and 32 perf cores, respectively) have yet to make an appearance (the M1 Max is Jade C-Die, and the M1 Pro is Jade C-Chop). They may not end up in the iMac Pro and only in the Mac Pro, but still.

What’s the background on those concepts? The most recent posts on that site are on toaster ovens and ice cream scoops— is there any credibility to those, or are they just one persons lineart?

 

[Abazigal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1456715133615579140

We have another convert.

 

[ksgant]

When building a gaming PC, it seems like 90% of all the effort goes into making sure everything is kept cool. Tons of fans blowing through it to keep the CPU, motherboard, RAM, GPU all cool and insuring that there is optimum air flow or have an elaborate liquid-cooling system...which still has fans on it's radiator to keep things cool. And then these things STILL run hot, as you have to make sure you monitor the heat generation.

All of this comes down to decades and decades of Intel making and designing these chips....and we're still here worrying about heat generation and power consumption of the system.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

And now Intel has moved on from Apple...

Not according to Intel.

 

[4jasontv]

I stated “I’m not in the market for anything that plays games because there’s better and cheaper options out there.”

You are putting words in peoples mouth and twisting what they say to fit your narrative. There’s no way to have a reasonable discussion with you so I’ll leave it there.

Intel Alder Lake Chips for Desktops Faster Than M1 Max in Benchmarks, But Use Much More Power

You can compare all you want but you are wasting your time doing it here. I’m going to hazard a guess that everybody who has purchased an M1 MAX is doing so exactly because it is mobile and offers the best performance in that form factor. I am not in the market for a desktop, I never was. I am...

forums.macrumors.com

That’s the line that prompted the question. What is the better and cheaper option to play games than a windows PC.

 

[macfacts]

Doesn’t the intel chips have built in video as well?? Anyways, I would think this is why its so much more energy efficient?? If the M1 had to use external ram, etc, wouldn’t it use more power?? You can’t upgrade/replace the RAM with the Apple Silicone... or even use other GPUs at the moment… there are always trade offs.

Another trade off, being able to only run mac os.

 

[macfacts]

By the time Intel's chip is available to buy, Apple will have released it's M3 processor and further increase the gap in performance. They have long lost the race and I haven't even looked into what AMD has up it sleeves for next year.

At least Intel sells their cpu chip. Apple doesn't sell their cpu, they sell a computer package with apple tax on their ram and storage.

 

[XNorth]

If you are running a desktop computer aimed at gamers, do you really think they care about the power it uses?

Obviously it matters, or they would see no need to innovate and try to catch up. if it doesn’t matter to them, then they are dumb and should quit the business. The fact is they have fallen behind, and the efficiency - or lack thereof - of their chips clearly shows they have lost the lead.

 

[akbarali.ch]

Great news for heatsink, Power supply unit, water cooling system manufacturers

 

[Hammerd]

Desktop CPU vs. mobile CPU

Let‘s start comparing apples to apples when the iMac Pro/Mac Pro launches next year with the M1-based desktop CPU.

I’d dare to say let’s start comparing apples to apple’s apples.

 

[Makanmata]

Don't understand why Apple won't offer the Intel Alder Lake at least as an option for those who need a no compromise machine. Bypassing it for the slower M1 guarantees that iMac Pros won't be very Pro.

 

[jon9091]

And now Intel has moved on from Apple...

Uh…not really.

Gelsinger: Intel Wants Apple Back

Chip giant CEO out to woo Apple

www.tomshardware.com

 

[chucker23n1]

What’s the background on those concepts? The most recent posts on that site are on toaster ovens and ice cream scoops— is there any credibility to those, or are they just one persons lineart?

They’re based on descriptions from a Mark Gurman article from May.

Given that the M1 Pro and Max were spot on, I expect the higher versions (M1 Max 2 and M1 Max 4? M1 Extreme and M1 Supreme? M1 Blowaway and M1 Offthecharts?) to pan out as well.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Don't understand why Apple won't offer the Intel Alder Lake at least as an option for those who need a no compromise machine. Bypassing it for the slower M1 guarantees that iMac Pros won't be very Pro.

Anyone buying the Pro’s more than likely spending a lot of money to run apps that are Apple only. Because, if the user’s goal is HIGHEST performance for non-Mac apps, they moved off of the Mac a long time ago.

 

[Santabean2000]

And now Intel has moved on from Apple...

Competition is good. Bring it Intel, bring it.