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Intel Alder Lake Chips for Desktops Faster Than M1 Max in Benchmarks, But Use Much More Power
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Because you like to run benchmarks let me know when apple can compete with this.
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The next 13th Generation Intel Chip. 3x faster than M1 Pro. Chip comes with Honda Diesel Generator. Not FCC Approved. Extended use may cause cancer!
True, though even at “stock” the CPU will push beyond that frequency (as long as there is proper cooling). Gamers Nexus was finally able to publish their Alder Lake testing:
Those power draw numbers are even a little favorable as they are averages of several runs — at least as far as I’m aware that’s how GN does it. I have a stock (steady limit of 4.6GHz on all eight cores) i7-11700K that has pulled as much as ~217 watts while running Folding@Home. (Data from HWMonitor.)
P.S. Do we know if Apple’s High Power Mode boosts the CPU P-cores' frequencies?
Then add a chipset, PCI controller, GPU, etc. You and many others are comparing a CPU to a SOC. They are not the same thing.
The high performance mobile parts, if they stick to how they did things in the past, will be in another year or two. Maybe three if they don’t cancel them and promise to release updated versions of them in the future.
You're right, I guess I just don't see the investment to make this happen there. They are two fab processes behind where they were supposed to be and in two years they will be caught up to where TSMC is now. TSMC won't stand still. Intel needs to dump truckloads of money here to catch up and not have engineers putting out desktop class chips. Let the 11th Gen chips sit for four years and refocus while putting together the stuff for a low power next gen that will be ahead of tsmc.
They need to catch up by four years technologically in two years temporally in order to be competitive is what I'm trying to say.
241 watts at peak is not that much, my GPU use 320 just to play dumb games. Since Apple will not likely make different cpu for the iMac the crown of performance on desktop will still be Intel for years to come. The rumours of death were greatly exaggerated. At the end of day the only thing that matters is how fast my desktop is. Not my fault if Apple only makes laptop cpus.
Dude, it is the best! It can get a cool 45 fps average on the hottest titles from five years ago without dropping the setting much lower than half max.
What makes you think that the M processor used in the new 27" iMacs will be more powerful than M1 max? Actually, maybe it would be a good idea for apple to make at least one last intel iMac with the new i9 and an AMD 6800 gpu.
What are you talking about? The alder chip is a soc. It has a memory controller,gpu,thunderbolt 4,an ai engine and a boat load of other things there.
Here it shows that four E-cores takes up the same physical space as one P-core, but also that the desktop hardware will at most have 32 EUs (Execution Units) for Xe-LP graphics (same as the previous generation), while both of the mobile processors will offer 96 physical EUs that may be disabled down based on the specific line item in the product stack.
All three processors will feature Intel’s next generation Gaussian Neural Accelerator (GNA 3.0) for minor low power AI tasks, a display engine, and some level of PCIe, however the desktop processor will have more. Only the mobile processors will get an Image Processing Unit (IPU), and Thunderbolt 4 (TBT), and here the big UP3 mobile processor gets four ports of Thunderbolt whereas the smaller UP4 will only get two. The desktop processor will not have any native Thunderbolt connectivity.
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From what I’ve seen of the chassis, there’s a greater quantity of aluminum metal that would be under the Intel chip in the old MBP’s. In the new ones, the bottom case metal appears to be a good deal thinner which could mean worse heat dissipation and greater need to run the fans at a higher speed. I’ll have to find some images of those bottom cases to double-check, but that was my initial feeling seeing how much metal has been removed yielding a flat bottom.
Not buying it.
Very little faith in Intel delivering a mobile platform that wont cause a meltdown.
Apple is delivering, right now, high performance at a lower wattage.
Intel's "flexing" is a PR stunt.
Yeah, those are Apple’s entry level SOC’s as can be seen by the prices. The top end Alder Lake CPU is $650 on it’s own and is designed for higher end work than the Mac Mini. An M1 Mac Mini is $699.
Apple’s workstation class SOC’s will be using 2x M1 MAX dies (code named Jade 2C-DIE) or 4x M1 MAX dies (code named Jade 4C-DIE) with 20 CPU/ 64 GPU cores and 40 CPU/ 128 GPU cores respectively.
Remember, Apple said the entire Mac lineup will be transitioned in under 2 years….this includes their workstation class machines, the iMac Pro and Mac Pro.
I predict the same thing happening again….they’ll have zero performance competitors at the same price point.
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What are you talking about? Having P cores and E cores doesn't make a SOC. It means you have P cores and E cores. I suggest you take a look at a desktop motherboard and compare it to Apples SOC when you are talking about Alder Lake. That is until Intel pulls their crap together and starts innovating again in their laptop Alder Lake.
Honestly. I've heard it too many times from Intel. Deliver the **** or shut up until you catch up is my opinion.
And once again people are comparing unreleased CPU's against Apple's complete system in an entirely different package. Power per watt is what Apple promised and has delivered (and how!). If you don't already understand the implications, I don't really know how to explain them to you...
Intels last 8 years of cpus are system on chip where have you been living. Alderlake has
Ddr5 memory controller
Gpu
Cpu
Pciexpress 5 controller
Wifi 6
Thunderbolt controller
Image Processing
Ai neural engine
All on the freaking chip. Go do some research before saying it's not a soc. Lol you didn't even know it has a gpu on board are you serious?
I'll post this slide for you again. With Intel calling it a soc lol
See all those dark blue squares? Those are the p cores!!!!! And those smaller light blue squares? Those are the e cores!!!! Now look at all those other parts in the picture and try to figure out what they do!
There hasn't been a North Bridge and South Bridge or memory controller on an Intel motherboard for over 10 years.
On that note there hasn't been cpu cache on a motherboard since 1993
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People have been taught for years that low power = mobile AND that if you put a low power chip in a desktop form factor it will NOT perform well. It will take YEARS for them to unlearn that.
Next year is being generous.
And, from the diagrams, as it will have fewer cores than the desktop part, it will NOT offer anywhere near the same performance.Unless Intel wants to license ProRes in order to have hardware processing of that codec, we can safely say that Intel will never outperform ASi in all aspects. Additionally, their GPU’s will never handle Metal like Apple’s GPU’s, will never handle Apple’s machine learning structures as well as Apple’s neural cores, etc.
I don’t understand why anybody should care about power draw for a desktop. It’s not going to affect battery life, and you have a ton of room for adequate cooling so you should never throttle anyways. For mobile and large scale server farms? Sure. But for a desktop it doesn’t seem to matter.
For what it’s worth, this comparison doesn’t mean much. Let’s wait for Apple’s take on a desktop CPU whenever Mac/iMac Pro get Apple Silicon. They’ll draw more power and offer an apples to apples comparison, or as close to one as you can get across different architectures.
I get it. In the gym I lift empty duffel bags so that I don’t waste any calories I’ve consumed.
Dave Lee couldn't cool Alder Lake with the best air cooler you can buy and had to go with water cooling. He states that the new massive Alienware *desktop*, with water cooling, throttles. So naturally we should compare this 240 - 270 watt CPU with water cooling to an SOC that beats most desktop CPUs while drawing 40 watts and can fit in a 14" chassis using quiet fans. It's pretty clear that Intel's 10nm superfin process is dialed in for where the i5 and i7 SKUs sit. The i9 increases performance by 10% by cranking up power an additional 100 watts. It's basically a way for Intel marketing to help bloggers show impressive benchmarks. That being said the i5 and i7 are actually good products even if they don't win every benchmark. Finally, consider that the MBP M1 Max under full load is about the same power as an Alder Lake desktop at idle.
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