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I guess the question now is - what's next for Intel?

They missed mobile, they missed AI, they lost Apple as a customer, and windows users are increasingly indifferent between it and other alternatives like AMD. Short of acting as a hedge by the US against a possible invasion of Taiwan by China, does Intel even have a reason to exist anymore? 🤔
I wouldn't discount that reason, as that seems like a very important reason to them.
 
I liked Pat Gelsinger. He was an engineer, focussed on process leadership and stopping the rot in the foundries. Whether he was the right CEO for Intel remains to be seen, I think Intel’s problems go beyond just poor process execution. The marketing of their chips is a mess, has been for years, and when they do “make” a good product like the Lunar Lake chips they can’t capitalise on it.

But really when you say you’re going to deliver on an 18A process in 2025, and a few months before people find out the yield is stuck at a measly 10% then that is going to have consequences, especially when that 18A process is supposed to be the great saviour of the company.

It calls into doubt the whole roadmap to technical leadership of the silicon industry, and I think that is why Gelsinger had to go.
 
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I liked Pat Gelsinger. He was an engineer, focussed on process leadership and stopping the rot in the foundries. Whether he was the right CEO for Intel remains to be seen, I think Intel’s problems go beyond just poor process execution. The marketing of their chips is a mess, has been for years, and when they do “make” a good product like the Lunar Lake chips they can’t capitalise on it.

But really when you say you’re going to deliver on an 18A process in 2025, and a few months before people find out the yield is stuck at a measly 10% then that is going to have consequences, especially when that 18A process is supposed to be the great saviour of the company.

It calls into doubt the whole roadmap to technical leadership of the silicon industry, and I think that is why Gelsinger had to go.
I agree with your first paragraph, but are you basing your 18A comment on this report:


or this clarification:


The internet has all sorts of questionable info and rumours, but at least TechPowerUp did a decent follow up. Kudos to them.
 
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I guess the question now is - what's next for Intel?

They missed mobile, they missed AI, they lost Apple as a customer, and windows users are increasingly indifferent between it and other alternatives like AMD.

I wouldn't be quite as worried about AI. Sure, LLMs will stick around, but let's just say I wouldn't recommend buying NVDA stock right now.

But they have to figure out how to leapfrog Apple on their laptop CPUs.

And they have to answer: do they want to keep pursuing their GPUs, which nobody seems to love, or cut their losses.

Short of acting as a hedge by the US against a possible invasion of Taiwan by China, does Intel even have a reason to exist anymore? 🤔

That seems like a big reason.
 
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I guess the question now is - what's next for Intel?

They missed mobile, they missed AI, they lost Apple as a customer, and windows users are increasingly indifferent between it and other alternatives like AMD. Short of acting as a hedge by the US against a possible invasion of Taiwan by China, does Intel even have a reason to exist anymore? 🤔

This is my personal opinion and thus obviously room to disagree but I think there will be a forced merger with another US-based firm or it will exist as a zombie company like in Japan, with the main customer being the US gov to use the chips in military applications. Unless they somehow make some revolutionary breakthrough with 18A (after abandoning 20A?).

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/intel-set-3-5bn-deal-095507364.html

If you google "intel military customers" you get results like these:

https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...es-Military-Aerospace-and-Government-Alliance

https://www.acldigital.com/newsroom...-foundry-accelerator-design-services-alliance

https://ir.quicklogic.com/press-rel...-joins-intel-foundry-accelerator-ip-and-usmag
 
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I agree with your first paragraph, but are you basing your 18A comment on this report:


or this clarification:


The internet has all sorts of questionable info and rumours, but at least TechPowerUp did a decent follow up. Kudos to them.

I was only aware of the first article, not of the follow up. Thanks! Perhaps they will be in a good place to launch 18A after all in 2025.
 
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I was only aware of the first article, not of the follow up. Thanks! Perhaps they will be in a good place to launch 18A after all in 2025.
Yeah, I’m hoping they will succeed despite me thinking they should have kept Gelsinger because I agree with him that their main competitive advantage was originally their foundry expertise, and there wouldn’t be a lot to distinguish them anymore with that gone. The article I posted earlier that blamed the board does have me more worried, though, as it sounds like they are looking for short term gains and to reduce capital spending, which doesn’t sound future fab friendly.
 
Former CEO Bob Swan left a mess putting financials over quality products. Gelsinger's abrupt resignation is far more a reflection on Swan than it is on Gelsinger.
Funny how putting short-term profits over quality eventually catches up to these greedy corporations with customers loss of trust and long-term losses. They'll join a long line of under-performing or extinct companies who thought they would be the exception.
 
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