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Imagine Dual Quad Cloverton Macs A Year From Now - 8 Cores In One Mac

Kingsly said:
Imagine... a 45nm Intel core quad in the 2007 MBP's!!!
I imagine two. 8-cores is what I both imagine and expect from two Quad Core Cloverton processors in the top Mac a year from now released at NAB 2007. :) But not in the MBP.

SF MacWorld Expo 2008 SteveNote: The Leopard Tigerton 16 Core Mac. :eek:

Thank you for correcting me danielwsmithee. Excellent post #48. Thanks again.
 
MattyP said:
I wonder if they will be pin compatible with the core dou chips... It would be great to update our intel imac with a 64 bit Merom chip!


correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the Merom chip is pin compatable with the Core-Duo.
 
Lollypop said:
On the other hand it also results in a longer waiting time for the imac and mac mini users before they can upgrade their machines to meron.. but then apple wont mind!
True for the mini but the iMac will use Conroe.
 
Kingsly said:
Imagine... a 45nm Intel core quad in the 2007 MBP's!!!

Will there be such a thing, or are you imagining? This article doesn't go into any specifics on the chips.

vikas soni said:
Now I was thinking why not release the processors in reverse order. ie Merom in June,Conroe in July, Wood in Aug. Actually dont even care bout Conroe n Woodcrest. Lets get the Meroms ASAP in the MBP.

Why? Core duo just came out. Makes more sense to upgrade the ones that are most out of date first (server chips).
 
Multimedia said:
I imagine two. 8-cores is what I both imagine and expect from two Quad Core Kentsfield processors in the top Mac a year from now released at NAB 2007. :)
Kenstsfield does not support dual processor configurations, Cloverton will, and Tigerton will support MP cofigurations.
 
Apple Hardware will be updated more frequently

With Intel pushing forward with chip updates, I expect Apple to update their Macs on a more frequent basis. No longer will Apple be at the mercy of slow PowerPC updates.

Although the move to Intel was driven by the "performance-per-watt" argument put forth by Jobs, my view is that Apple's goal was to Four fold:

1. "performance-per-watt"
2. More updates More frequently
3. Lower prices for chips which will bring down the cost of Macs (we've already seen this)
4. Leverage the Intel brand and integrate Intel technology into future Apple products
 
Peace said:
correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the Merom chip is pin compatable with the Core-Duo.

Mwa ha ha! I hope so! With all of these processor updates Apple needs to keep their machines upgradable...
 
sillycybin said:
what a load of junk. i was hoping to get the new 2.2 Ghz yonahs next summer (2007) when i will be ready to make a purchase.

this quick pathway to chip advancement makes me feel all uncomfortable inside. i was way more into the static bumps in speed like in the previous decade of Mac computers.

wtf is going on here

Good=bad.

That's awesome.

Peace said:
correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the Merom chip is pin compatable with the Core-Duo.

It absolutely is. Someone's even tested and swapped a Merom into a mini, worked fine.

danielwsmithee said:
True for the mini but the iMac will use Conroe.

It's all speculation at this point. We really don't know what will be in the iMac, it's an oddball machine.

I wouldn't hold your breath for a socketed chip in any mac laptops, just takes up too much space.
 
Anyone have any idea if the Merom-based 'books will have mobos and chipsets that are different than Yonah? I understand that Merom is a direct swap, but being the hardware layman that I am, I would like to know if a faster/64-bit/proc swappable board would be in the works too. Or do you think Apple would just plop the Meroms into Yonah boards for Rev. A Merom 'books?

I wish I was a fly on the wall at Apple labs now--watching them play with those soon-to-be-released Merom 'books!

Thanks for your replies,

B
 
rxse7en said:
Anyone have any idea if the Merom-based 'books will have mobos and chipsets that are different than Yonah? I understand that Merom is a direct swap, but being the hardware layman that I am, I would like to know if a faster/64-bit/proc swappable board would be in the works too. Or do you think Apple would just plop the Meroms into Yonah boards for Rev. A Merom 'books?

I wish I was a fly on the wall at Apple labs now--watching them play with those soon-to-be-released Merom 'books!

Intel's announced plan is that they will initially release Merom on existing mobos, then release new ones later with better Merom support. I don't think anyone will have Merom-specific mobos ready at the time of Merom release.
 
MattyP said:
I wonder if they will be pin compatible with the core dou chips... It would be great to update our intel imac with a 64 bit Merom chip!

Yes, Merom is pin compatiblw woth Yonah (Core Duo). There was this guy who put a pre-release Merom into his Mac Mini and it worked fine (was recognized by the system as Merom and no overheating). So you will be able to upgrade your iMac Core Duo to an iMac Merom as long as you get into the iMac's guts. That's the most difficult part actually, you really have to take everything out to get to the CPU and may void your guarantee... :(
 
Well a 2 year major microarchitecture change is not that bad, however the Yonah chips appear to be the ones to absolutely have the shortest life. Stop gap chip is all it was as Merom will hit in August which is actually still pretty soon. I see the Mac Mini and Macbooks probably still going with Yonah, but I hope Apple just switched entirely to Merom when it's out. It's the true laptop/compact desktop chip that will carry for two years. I would advice anyone to wait on buying an Intel Mac until Merom is out as it will last 2-2 and a half years.

For the desktops is hard to say....I would hope Apple goes straight to Woodcrest for the next PM's as we can have a Quad with the configuration. Let the iMac use Conroe instead. Then Spring next year we can have Kentsfield.
 
But... but... I just got my iMac! :mad: :p
Like they say, buy the newest thing and it's already obsolete when you turn it on. Oh well, I don't care for now. I think I will swap the Core Duo for a high end Merom in a year when my guarantee runs out. At least I got a Mac now. Think I'll wait for Merom to buy a portable beacause 5 hours of battery is what I need.

But I's true that the Mac community is not used to such quick updates. We're all getting older and someday we won't understand the world at all. Get used to things changing so fast. Imagine Mac OS XI, we will have to port alle the OSX software to OS XI or use an emulator (classic). It never stops! :eek: It's getting even faster actually.
 
amberashby said:
Must resist buying a Macbook Pro till Merom.... Must resist....must resist...
The elephant in the room:

If you wait for Merom, you'll be in the same boat as Yonah buyers are today: something new will be coming in less than a year. Not a whole new chip design, but better and faster Meroms.

There's always something better coming--that won't change by waiting for Merom. When you need to buy, buy... but if you don't need to, then wait like me :)


MrCrowbar said:
It never stops! :eek: It's getting even faster actually.
That it is :)
 
Apple should build a handheld capable of booting Mac OS X (mobile, as Windows mobile). That will be the ultimate presentation tool:

1. Make the presentation on Mac or PC using Keynote or PowerPoint.

2. Transfer it to the Apple wireless handheld.

3.-Use the wireless handheld as a remote control to give the presentation from it via a wireless videoprojector. No cables involved. No computers involved.

Apple will sell millions to corporate, educational and domestic market. It will have a huge halo effect.
 
In case any of you were curious about what you can expect performance-wise from the next generation, I submit Anand's preview:
http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2713

The performance looks to be stellar. I would imagine these will make it into the G5 replacements with the server chips just going to the servers. Unlike PowerPC-land, x86 has more options. Where Apple was shoehorning the same chip into multiple duties before, now they'll have a proper range to choose from. No more trying to cram G5s into everything.

As for the iMac moving to Conroe, I'd imagine they'll probably just move to Merom and keep it on the mobile platform. With it being pin-compatible, it's a no-brainier. Lower power consumption/heat generation and more aggressive power management are beneficial in a form factor like the iMac, and there's virtually no trade off in features. The only performance benefit of the Conroe platform will be DDR2-800, which is pretty much unnecessary in an iMac, and the bus speed increases. Strapping a G5 in there before was a measure of necessity, not of desire. I mean, the current Yonah-based iMac is already a beast. I've done some H.264 (using multi-threaded x264) encoding tests comparing the 20" to a Quad-core G5 and the Quad-core is only just faster, coming in around 7fps ahead on 480p content. That's pretty outstanding already, and the Merom is promising a 20% increase in performance at the same TDP. Why migrate to Conroe for comparably minor performance benefits, especially in the consumer line?

Oh, and for you that just bought your Core-based iMacs/Mac Minis, you can swap a Merom in at your leisure... They're both socketed and the Merom will jack right in there and give you all the tangible benefits. All you'll need is a little moxy and some familiarity with installing a heatsink properly. :D
 
I'll upgrade my MBP when I can get another 4x to 5x improvement again. It really beats those 5% performance increases of the past. I am Apple switched to Intel and Intel isn't a dead end.
 
nagromme said:
...Intel should really take it easy on us. All this "early" nonsense is very hard to take after being used to IBM and Motorola.

Lol. I feel exactly the same way. I read the article after you linked to it in the other thread and immediately started to worry for my future employment status knowing how much MR surfing I would be obliged to do in coming years.

With so many processors in the pipeline, I really wonder if Apple can take advantage of them all with their current product lineup.
 
I have been confused about the difference between the Yonah the MBP's are using and Merom. So, I did some reading at Wikipedia and this is the primary (human language) difference I found.

Yonah is a 65nm chip that is a decendent of Pentium M.
Merom is a 65nm chip that has been designed from the ground up.

Do I have it (highly simplified) right?
 
asencif said:
For the desktops is hard to say....I would hope Apple goes straight to Woodcrest for the next PM's as we can have a Quad with the configuration. Let the iMac use Conroe instead. Then Spring next year we can have Kentsfield.
In spring 2007 Kentsfield will be used in the lower end Mac Pro that only contain one socket (i.e. 4 cores). The higher end Mac Pro will use dual Clovertons (i.e. 8 cores :D ) then later towards the end of 2007 4 Tigertons (i.e. 16 cores :eek: ). Here is some info from a prvious thread I found useful.

Conroe
To make things clear "Conroe" will not be able to be used in a Dual or Multi-processor configuration. Conroe is limited to ONE cpu with TWO cores.

Woodcrest
Woodcrest is the designation for the chip that is capable of a Dual-processor configuration, but is not capable of running in a multi-processor configuration. So the limit is TWO cpu's for a total of FOUR cores.

Kentsfield
Kentsfield is two dual-core CPUs in a single housing, but is not capable of Dual processor or mult-processor configuration so it is limited to FOUR cores. It will drive down the price of a quad machine. Intel has only said first quarter 2007.

Sossaman
I believe this is the most likely choice for the future Xserves due to it's low power consumption and small thermal footprint. It is a Core Duo except it is capable of being placed in a dual-processor configuration.

Cloverton
This is a quad core processor capable of a dual-processor configuration to make EIGHT total cores. Last stated to be available first quarter 2007. Until then we will not see an 8-core Mac Pro.

Tigerton
This is the same as Cloverton except it can be placed in a multi-processor configuration. Giving you the ability to have four Tigerton CPU's or 16 cores. This will not be available until later in 2007.

Merom
This is Conroe but targeted at the mobile market.
 
durvivor said:
I have been confused about the difference between the Yonah the MBP's are using and Merom. So, I did some reading at Wikipedia and this is the primary (human language) difference I found.

Yonah is a 65nm chip that is a decendent of Pentium M.
Merom is a 65nm chip that has been designed from the ground up.

Do I have it (highly simplified) right?

That is correct, Merom is the mobile (low voltage) counterpart to the Conroe processor, both of which are 64 bit whereas Yonah is 32 bit.
 
amberashby said:
Must resist buying a Macbook Pro till Merom.... Must resist....must resist...

ditto...I'm just trying to hold on until Jan. '07 and move from 10.3.9 to 10.5

(skipping 10.4(dashboard) since we STILL can't get DSL/Cable at the house and I'm unwilling to shell out $100/mo for so-so speed satellite.)
 
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