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You have a distorted and limited view of the computer market in general.
Both Microsoft and Google are very small players in the hardware computer market and I don't see how they are pushing for what you claim they are pushing. They are just promoting their hardware and software.
Microsoft's hardware isn't officially available in most markets world wide for example. Their Surface project is nice but it hardly had a real fundamental impact on the PC market.



Yeah they are trapped dominating the PC market with a huge software library backing up their OS.
And Microsoft is already promoting Windows S or whatever. The thing is most people still only want full Windows which can run any software they could imagine.



I doubt it. As Amazon's ARM Server parts were designed to be at parity in terms of features with X86 server parts they draw similar amounts of power for similar performance in certain cases and much lower performance in other cases.
Also intel's upcoming CPUs will use a different architecture so we will see how they will stack up in performance/watt and security. AMD's Zen CPUs have been excellent in this regard.




Yeah right, I've been hearing this for years. Generally from apple fans that can't stand the fact that Apple holds a small slice of the traditional PC market after decades of presence in said market.
I see you have an obsession with AR, which also has been the best thing since sliced bread from the time apple introduced it in 2017.
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You say it like TSMC did something out of kindness or friendship or whatever.
So many lolz

  • Microsoft is ahead in AR. I’m not even betting on Apple for that.
  • AR is a game changer for extending tech to the 90% of people doing real work not driving a desk
  • I’ve been employed in a decision making capacity in business IT for over a decade for a multinational
 
Google's Chromebooks are cheap so that's why they are somehow successful in the educational segment. I remember some Apple execs made some salty comments regarding the educational segment choosing chromebooks over ipads.

Was it from Phil Schiller? 😄

 
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So many lolz

  • Microsoft is ahead in AR. I’m not even betting on Apple for that.
  • AR is a game changer for extending tech to the 90% of people doing real work not driving a desk
  • I’ve been employed in a decision making capacity in business IT for over a decade for a multinational
Yeah AR this AR that and most likely you don't have any practical examples.
 
Intel has a horrendous record with pretty much every acquisition. One of the co-founders of Nervana is a close friend of mine. Most of the key people bailed just after they were fully vested. I was at Altera just before they become Intel PSG. Going to Intel made sense because, like memories, FPGAs are both the drivers and beneficiaries of cutting edge process nodes. Leveraging Intel's then awesome process would have been a tremendous advantage. Nobody expected Intel to fall off the process wagon although this was self inflicted. Things went south when, as a monopolist, they decided to make redundant all their experienced engineers (ie 40+) and replace them with NCG's and RCG's. It's a classic private equity play that boosts short term profits in exchange for future innovation. Would have worked if there were no viable competitors. I was on the other side during this time, at AMD, and we just brought on Jim Keller to develop the first Ryzen.

I'm not sure how things are done these days, but Intel also used to have a massive problem with internal incentives in the engineering teams. Every employee was ranked, not within their department or functional group, but across the entire company, and merit increases to salary was based on that ranking. The process was deeply political, and your salary turned out being dependent more on your managers ability to get you ranked within the company than on your ability to impress your manager within your team.

Then development was so heavily dependent on metric tracking that people were terrified of reporting anything that would hurt their metrics. Report a problem early that might impact planning and your corporate rank falls-- much better to hide your problems as long as possible and hope someone else's come to light first so the project gets delayed or the architecture changed and you can fix or avoid your problem without it getting noticed.

Combine that with the corporate culture of "We're Intel, You're Welcome" and, well, as one of the videos linked earlier in this thread said: "There's a long history of delusional thinking at Intel".

It would be more accurate to think of AAPL as a partner than a customer.

That was certainly Corning's experience.
 
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to be clear though, intel desktops are faster than amd, until you have an application using more than 8-10 cores (which not many really take advantage of yet). I have only been buying amd lately (2 x 3900x and a 3700x) but Intel makes “the best” desktop chips if you measure on most relevant performance. in addition software has been optimized generally for Intel even before raw power is taken into account.

I’m excited to see if Apple beats intel in absolute performance (though sadly it won’t be relevant for me since I only use windows software in my work)

Intel will also be bringing big and little cores to Windows.

How much of their power and heat inefficiency will offset this, and when and if they stay relevant is an unknown that clearly is worrying investors (raw processing power has largely had diminishing returns over the past 5+ years which is part of what allowed intel to be lazy?).

for myself, virtually all computing latency is network related and then benefit of cpu/gpu progress is portability and battery life.
You are absolutely right, Intel has the fastest cores. But AMD is closing the gap, as Intel fails to meet its own (aggressive) deadlines.

And I suspect that the high-end desktop processors, although carrying a higher margin, account for a small percentage of the profits. It may not matter to most consumers whether Intel offers a Core i9 processor for $499. Users who need more cores will probably buy AMD, which offers more cores for a lower price. Faster cores will benefit gamers, who are most likely to allocate any additional budget in buying more expensive GPUs, which are the ones which will make most of the difference in displaying cutting-edge graphics. A high-end Intel processor is probably more a showcase than everything else, as it will appeal mostly to enthusiasts who have the cash to buy it.

And, of course, NVIDIA is making sure that it sucks every penny from enthusiast gamers, by shortening the release schedule of more expensive, higher-end video cards.

But the real money is on the mobile business, not desktops. And Arm processors are more of a real threat, as they seem to be more energy-effficient than Intel's. Intel may now be changing to adopt high-powered and energy-effficient cores, which makes it a follower rather than a leader.

The way I see it, Intel's dominance today is based on reliance of legacy software. Windows software runs on Intel's architecture, and are mostly optimized for single core processors. That guarantees Intel surviving for a long time, but it is not forever. In time, software will be optimized for running on multiples cores using Arm architecture. Intel must improve its pace to avoid being left behind, and this is not what is happening with these frequent delays.
 
You are absolutely right, Intel has the fastest cores. But AMD is closing the gap, as Intel fails to meet its own (aggressive) deadlines.

He's not really right.
Zen 2's IPC performance is higher than whatever Skylake variant Intel is at.
The thing is when heat and power are not a concern, Intel's CPUs can boost higher than AMD CPUs by a few hundred mhz.
Anyway even in this situation AMD's CPUs are quite competitive in Single core performance and with their Renoir APUs they generally have an advantage in single core performance vs Intel's laptop CPUs.

Also if you compare a latest gen AMD Threadripper CPU with Xeons or HEDT Intel CPUs the shingle core performance on AMD's part will be higher in general.
 
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