Intel Developing Next PowerMac for Apple?

[BenRoethig]

I'm really not sure why you're even here SiliconAddict, are you a troll with very little time on your hands (clearly by the amount of vacuous posts), a hater, both, an unenlightened PC user (clearly) or what your case is. You don't seem to like Macs, love PCs and defend the crap out of them and diss Macs left and right. Exactly WHY are you here? To whine about how great peecees are? To get people to convert to Windows? Spread disinformation?

You're shtick is really old, go find a "Microsoft Windows/I (Heart) Dell" forum and leave us Mac users to babble about our own inane stuff. Save your prostelityzing to those who may give a flying crap about the droll, off-topic, misinformed and disingenuous high-and-mighty pointless stuff you drivel on and on about.

So it's either Apple is infallible and everybody who thinks otherwise is an idiot or you're a troll right?

 

[RBR2]

I know many who want Mac OS X, but they don't like what Apple's hardware has to offer.

"Give the man a cigar!"

There are a lot of people who feel that way. All Apple would have to do is allow hardware vendors to add whatever drivers might be necessary to support their hardware and could even have a certification program to assure compatibility.

There are many people (and businesses) who, for better or worse, are unlikely to ever buy Apple hardware who would jump at the opportunity to buy the operating system.

 

[woolfgang]

1) the darwin kernel is relatively slow
2) most people will choose by the price. it's debatable whether the mac is a better value. for some it is, for me, the price to be different isn't worth it.

All you have to do is look at figures. Macs retain more of their resale value longer. That's not opinion, it's fact. I won't even argue it's worth, or if it's Elitism. You said it's debatable whether the mac is a better value, it's not.

 

[BenRoethig]

Yes, unless you consider desk space or noise to be practical cosiderations.

I could get a big Dell, put it in a closet, put ventilation in the closet, run keyboard and video amplifiers back to my desk and be just as happy (ignoring the OS). But then I've just bought two Minis.

1. Most desks currently sold are designed with a tower in mind. Desk space is a non-issue.

2. Most of the current consumer PC systems I've dealt with are dead quiet. Yes, I've dealt with the wind-tunnels before.

 

[woolfgang]

I'm really not sure why you're even here SiliconAddict, are you a troll with very little time on your hands (clearly by the amount of vacuous posts), a hater, both, an unenlightened PC user (clearly) or what your case is. You don't seem to like Macs, love PCs and defend the crap out of them and diss Macs left and right. Exactly WHY are you here? To whine about how great peecees are? To get people to convert to Windows? Spread disinformation?

You're shtick is really old, go find a "Microsoft Windows/I (Heart) Dell" forum and leave us Mac users to babble about our own inane stuff. Save your prostelityzing to those who may give a flying crap about the droll, off-topic, misinformed and disingenuous high-and-mighty pointless stuff you drivel on and on about.

This is unmerited. I probably disagree with Siliconaddict half the time, but he brings it to the table. He uses numbers and info, unlike many who spew with no info to back them up.

 

[woolfgang]

Describes my PowerMac dual-core G5 perfectly!



In what decade? I've got a PowerMac G4 (Digital Audio), a PowerMac G5 (PCI-E), and a dual-core Athlon64 PC. Guess which one is the most quiet?



Again, in what decade? My PowerMac G4 has a 338w power supply. My Dell PII from the same era has a 250w power supply. My PowerMac G5 hsa a 600w (!) power supply. My Athlon64 has a 380W power supply.

Everything is relative. At work I use a Dual 2.5 and a Dual Xeon 3.06. The G5 is definitely louder than my Dual 1.25 G4 at home, but much quieter than the Xeon.

 

[ClimbingTheLog]

1. Most desks currently sold are designed with a tower in mind. Desk space is a non-issue.

So, people need to go out and buy a new desk when they get a computer? And if people like antiques 'ta heck with 'em?

I have a tower under my desk right now. It's a Compaq. I sometimes kick it by accident. I hate that. And it eats dust.

Don't fall into the trap of assuming that something that isn't an issue for you isn't an issue for anybody.

 

[ClimbingTheLog]

And Intel could not afford to take 2-4 fab lines "out of the loop" to build custom CPUs just for Apple

A fab line can make more than one chip. Intel is going 45nm anyway, with or without Apple.

 

[BenRoethig]

??

What do PeeCee's have to offer hardwarewise that Apple doesn't ?

1. Choice.

2. Multiple full sized optical drives.

3. A decent amount of ports and expansion slots

For me and people like me, an iMac would require either a large number of external devices or a change in the way I use the computer.

 

[Peace]

1. Choice.

2. Multiple full sized optical drives.

3. A decent amount of ports and expansion slots

For me and people like me, an iMac would require either a large number of external devices or a change in the way I use the computer.

My Dual G5 Tower has everything I need..

I will admit to agreeing with #2..

As for ports?

It has 2 firewire400 and a firewire800
3 USB 2.0
Digital in and out
Line in and out

My Cinema display has firewire and usb also as does the keyboard

Just how many devices do you want to connect all at once?

 

[~Shard~]

That is also one thing I miss from my PC days, with one exception. When I look back to my PC days i really only updated my disks, and memory, as do most people I know.

I had the same dang P3 450 for 4 years!

Yeah, I know what you mean, that's pretty much the way it was for me as well. I guess perhaps it is more of a psychological thing whereby if the PS goes, etc., I can replace it with ease, or if I really wanted to upgrade my dual Celeron 466 MHz chips to something better, I could, not that I ever did or have.

 

[jhu]

All you have to do is look at figures. Macs retain more of their resale value longer. That's not opinion, it's fact. I won't even argue it's worth, or if it's Elitism. You said it's debatable whether the mac is a better value, it's not.

so you agree the mac is not a better value or that it is not debatable that the mac is a better value? judging value depends on the criteria. indeed, resale value is one factor, but then generic wintel machines are so inexpensive that the resale value of the mac becomes meaningless.

my judgement of value depends on price/performance only. whatever extra software or services that come along with the computer are otherwise useless to me. going by that metric, the mac is of lower value.

 

[Capt Underpants]

My friends got on my computer and posted this... forgive them

 

[EricNau]

yea Effing Dells Rock, Imacs Suck

You might want to reconsider.

 

[BenRoethig]

My Dual G5 Tower has everything I need..

I will admit to agreeing with #2..

As for ports?

It has 2 firewire400 and a firewire800
3 USB 2.0
Digital in and out
Line in and out

My Cinema display has firewire and usb also as does the keyboard

Just how many devices do you want to connect all at once?

A couple points here.

First it meets YOUR needs. Your needs are not the same as all computers users. Second, 3 (4 now) USB ports isn't enough unless you have minimal device needs. Third, for the Prosumer the two grand minimum price tag is insane.

 

[EricNau]

A couple points here.

First it meets YOUR needs. Your needs are not the same as all computers users. Second, 3 (4 now) USB ports isn't enough unless you have minimal device needs. Third, for the Prosumer the two grand minimum price tag is insane.

I have 3 USB ports on my iMac, ask how many I'm using right now...Zero.

My keyboard and mouse are wireless, my printer is wireless, I don't leave my camera or flash drives plugged in. I hardly consider myself to have "minimal device needs" and yet what more do I really need to plug in? For the average person 3-4 is enough - and if it's not, go buy a hub for $10.

What do you have plugged into your computer where you DO NOT have "minimal device needs.

As for the 2 grand minimum... That's why some choose the Mac Mini or the iMac - Apple is competitively priced.

 

[maya]

Right, it would be BIGSCREEN !!

(Your DVD image would be exactly the same size when you're watching a movie, but the rest of the time you'll have more room on the screen....)

I am waiting on that day when Apple releases the shell of the iMac G5 without the white bar on the bottom.

It will happen, you will see. I can still hold on to my wishes.

 

[EricNau]

Right, it would be BIGSCREEN !!

(Your DVD image would be exactly the same size when you're watching a movie, but the rest of the time you'll have more room on the screen....)

I guess I'm so used to the iMac the way it is now, I just think anything else would look a little weird.

 

[kenaustus]

The value of a Mac (or any brand of PC) is going to be in the eyes of the user. It's really that simple. I used PC from the days of DOS to XP and switched my notebook for business travel to a PB simply because I wanted to avoid malware while on overseas business trips. That was sufficient value for me to make the purchase - especially when the costs of the trips were considered.

I dropped the Dull in the office when I had to reinstall XP twice in one week. I had already upgraded the original 667 PB to a 1.5 so all that was needed was to add a 23" display and I had a significant improvement in the computer experience for the office. Great value in my mind - especially since I could write both the new PB and display off the company's taxes. If you don't think there is value in working on a 23" display try it for a week.

The Dull at home also went when the new iMac arrived. I learned my lesson at work and transferred it to home. It's turned out to have been well worth it.

Now I don't worry about malware or keeping up with the XP parches. That alone provides the value to justify my switch. You can look at price/performance ratios all day, but when the other factors kick you in the @ss it gets down to what you are happier with.

 

[Norse Son]

I guess I'm so used to the iMac the way it is now, I just think anything else would look a little weird.

Well, what if Apple took an iMac with dual-core Yonah, beefed up the GPU with a top-line nVidia GF 7800GTX with 256MB RAM, added a BluRay burner, added WiMax (802.16e?) or UWB, and put a 500GB S-ATA drive in it,... but then surprised you and put it inside the case of the 30" ACD-HD?

I know, it would cost over $3,500... But it would be sweet.

 

[amateurmacfreak]

I like that space there. It is the perfect size for post-its.

I've seen artwork framed the same way, the border on the bottom is larger than the border on the top or sides.

If Apple filled the entire iMac with a screen then it would no longer be widescreen.

Agreed! It would be so odd to have the iMac not be how it is... sort of... imbalanced in a way....

 

[BenRoethig]

Well, what if Apple took an iMac with dual-core Yonah, beefed up the GPU with a top-line nVidia GF 7800GTX with 256MB RAM, added a BluRay burner, added WiMax (802.16e?) or UWB, and put a 500GB S-ATA drive in it,... but then surprised you and put it inside the case of the 30" ACD-HD?

I know, it would cost over $3,500... But it would be sweet.

It'd also be the size of an eMac.

 

[Peace]

It'd also be the size of an eMac.

It'd also be close to being the next Powermac

 

[RBR2]

It'd also be close to being the next Powermac

Blu-Ray? If available at all, I think it would be a built to order option. At the present time speculation is that Blu-Ray drives will be very pricey indeed ($1,000 plus) and there is unlikely to be much content available to use in it for some time for a variety of reasons.

You can bet that Blockbuster and such will not be impressed with the cost of media for Blu-Ray players.

While it is true that the first DVD players were not exactly cheap, the buying public has become accustomed to such things being commodity priced and will be extremely unlikely to rush into purchasing anything until the prices meet their expectations...meaning Blu-Ray just could die on the vine.

 

[Peace]

Blu-Ray? If available at all, I think it would be a built to order option. At the present time speculation is that Blu-Ray drives will be very pricey indeed ($1,000 plus) and there is unlikely to be much content available to use in it for some time for a variety of reasons.

You can bet that Blockbuster and such will not be impressed with the cost of media for Blu-Ray players.

While it is true that the first DVD players were not exactly cheap, the buying public has become accustomed to such things being commodity priced and will be extremely unlikely to rush into purchasing anything until the prices meet their expectations...meaning Blu-Ray just could die on the vine.

The new Powermac won't be out for another year (almost) so I'm guessing Apple/Sony will have all the bugs out with a final spec for the Blue-Ray..In any casy HD-DVD has the same problem.