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Intel no doubt gave all it's 5G modem customers a heads up as soon as they decided this was the path they were taking. It allowed Apple time to conclude business with Qualcomm and move forward.

Customers ( as in plural)? In terms of Smartphone modems, Intel pragmatically only had one customer; Apple. That was actually a contributing factor in it being a problem. As soon as Apple starting making big moves to jump into the modem space themselves they were going to loose leverage with Intel on the modem. Do this , do that, jump and do a triple back flip. ..... and oh by the way we're going to the rug out from under you completely in 2-3 years. If Intel could transition to some other substantive smartphone vendors in the future, but almost none are on discrete modems now and even fewer will be on discrete modems in the future. [ Even Apple about 1-3 years from now would have probably been looking for an "on package" modem chip , if not just a straight out license to weave into a single die/package. Apple is on track to drop out of the discrete modem package also sometime in the intermediate future. ]

If Apple highly ramps down and/or 'quits' on Qualcomm 3-4 years from now Qualcomm actually has more than several other customers. Qualcomm did OK when Apple stopped buying for a two years ( not super great, but far from 'dooms day" status. ). They'd probably do OK in the future if Apple 'quit' again.

The main market for discrete modem is more so going to be in PC/Tablets/Routers/ USB-'cards' . Also mini stations. These don't have the same lowest power consumption possible constraints Apple was probably asking for. ( for stuff plugged in and running 24/7 not even close. Low is better but not paramount. ). Note that Intel said they were quitting the smartphone 5G model ; not all of 5G modems. The non smartphone space is at least as big, if not potentially bigger, than the smartphone space. Intel could go get multiple customers there for their modems.

Intel merging a CPU+GPU+Modem in some EMIB/MCM package for future laptops is a far brigther market for them. If the modem is hard bundled to the core CPU package of the PC then margins won't be as big of a problem for Intel. Same for a package "mash up" of CPU+Wi-Fi-Modem for a mid-high end consumer router chipset if Intel wanted to go that way. Those two would also be a path out of discrete 5G modems for Intel that Apple has zero interest in. There is no "free lunch" there for Intel ( as Qualcomm, Samsung, Hauwei , etc. ) will have modems in this space too but the number of customers is higher ( so more possible designs to get a win on. )

From statements from Qualcomm about what they 'knew' about Apple already testing their modems,

That would have been in cooperation with Qualcomm. Apple ordering reference boards.

I'd guess they also may have had some decent intel on both Apple and Intel's situations, so I'd guess the final settlement was more tilted toward Qualcomm's side.

The 'tilt' aspect is probably over talked about in these forums. Apple got some stuff and Qualcomm got some stuff. Nitpicking on the stack on one side being incrementally higher than the other misses the forest for a tree. Neither one of these two companies are going to the 'poor house' over this deal. [ Apple wailing over how Qualcomm is over charging on their modem component is beyond lame when look at what Apple does to SSD/NAND cost markups with about zero added direct value. ]

Hurts Apple's pride in the short term, but overall, this isn't really about Apple or Qualcomm. Bottom line, Intel, once again, has let Apple down.

Eh.... Intel has a major role but Apple's Scrooge McDuck skimping on their component suppliers is also part of the problem. Since they are about the only discrete smartphone modem buyer if they wanted to dump Qualcomm and go to someone with only one customer, Apple should have paid more ( not less) than what they were paying Qualcomm. Qualcomm has/had a order of magnitude more customers to spread R&D costs over. Intel doesn't. The complete 5G solution covers even more wider variety of radio frequencies/band and technologies than 3G-4G did. And Apple want's that all done on Scrooge McDuck pricing. Intel has money, but they also have about two order of magnitude more products to work on than Apple does.

Intel jumped in and bought Infineon ( https://newsroom.intel.com/news-rel...ion-of-infineons-wireless-solutions-business/ about the same time Apple dumped Infineon for Qualcomm. (and Infineon had underestimated LTE demand so lost even more customers pretty quickly). As long as Apple's primary strategy is to dump all of their cellular modem buys into one and only one vendor, they were going to have a long term problem finding an ecosystem of vendors to buy from. if starve off all the other options, eventually they won't be there. ( Qualcomm having a one modem that does pragmatically just about every cell service worldwide is/was attractive to Apple's view of simplifying supply chain. But that becomes a dual edge sword if taken to the extreme for long periods of time. Minding that other sword edge is Apple job. )


Bringing modems largely in house may not be much better in managing the complexity of the product evolution. Probably not the "Emperor's New Clothes" fab production problem Intel goofed on pretty badly 6+2 years contract is indicative that Apple isn't going to easily slam dunk this in a year or so either. This may take some substantial time.

Apple is probably doing everything, short of raising hell-spawn, to divorce themselves from relying on Intel as fast as they can.

On modems yes. That is more so driven by being Intel's one major customer in that space. ( Similar to collapse of Global Foundries 7nm business when AMD largely wanted to walk away. ) Off every Intel product possible? Maybe not. In part that depends upon AMD ( who doesn't have a completely spotless record either over last 5 years. Of recent better, but have stumbled also. ).

There isn't Mac volume to support complete detachment from the broader market R&D.
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Figures, Intel's modems weren't exactly popular elsewhere. I wouldn't be surprised to hear in the next few months that Apple buys whatever leftovers there is of Intel's 5g modem plans.

Intel is one of CEVA's license buyers. The core baseline of the cellular DSP could be here. ( versus custom in-house).

https://www.ceva-dsp.com/ceva-licensees/

If so that would be another reason for Apple to be a bit more than agitated to jump into doing it themselves.

"..CEVA expects revenues from Apple starting Q3.."
https://techtime.news/2018/09/04/ceva-19/

If they can license large chunks of a core baseline design and substantively "improve it" while at the same time sharing R&D costs like they do with ARM architecture license, then they'd be more prone to 'cut out the middle man'.

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The first companies that come to mind are the traditional players such as Qualcomm, Intel and various other SoC vendors. Between all of these vendors there is one distinction to be made: those who use CEVA IP for their modem designs and those who do not. ..."
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12450/ceva-announces-pentag-5g-ip



There is far more that goes into a pragmatically working system across a scores of cellular network set ups. Some aspects of wrapping the rest of the system around this is where Intel came up a bit short, ( And also major hiccups on fab process rollout and expectation management. )

Intel is just getting out of the 5G smartphone modem business. They didn't say they were getting all the way out of the modem business completely. There are other devices than just smartphones that will use 5G. Getting 5G into an "even thinner" iPhone is not the only problem market to be addressed.
 
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But clearly this wasn’t a win-win situation between Apple and Qualcomm. Apple now was desperate to get a new deal. Well, at least the technology is superior...

I wouldn't put Apple into the "desperate" category. However, if they were using Intel modems as leverage to get better terms out of Qualcomm, they had reached "max pressure" at this point with the Intel's timetable/rollout adjustments/stumbles.

Qualcomm can afford to loose Apple as a customer over a 6-8 year period and still be viable in the smartphone modem space. Intel really couldn't. (Intel doesn't have a holistic CPU+Modem solution for most smartphones ) That leverage was going to ring all the more 'hollow' as Apple ramped up their own in house modem solution. ( Apple having the ability over 2-3 years to ramp up their own solution keeps them out of the desperate category. Inconvenienced but not desperate. )
 
Customers ( as in plural)? In terms of Smartphone modems, Intel pragmatically only had one customer; Apple. That was actually a contributing factor in it being a problem. As soon as Apple starting making big moves to jump into the modem space themselves they were going to loose leverage with Intel on the modem. Do this , do that, jump and do a triple back flip. ..... and oh by the way we're going to the rug out from under you completely in 2-3 years. If Intel could transition to some other substantive smartphone vendors in the future, but almost none are on discrete modems now and even fewer will be on discrete modems in the future. [ Even Apple about 1-3 years from now would have probably been looking for an "on package" modem chip , if not just a straight out license to weave into a single die/package. Apple is on track to drop out of the discrete modem package also sometime in the intermediate future. ]

If Apple highly ramps down and/or 'quits' on Qualcomm 3-4 years from now Qualcomm actually has more than several other customers. Qualcomm did OK when Apple stopped buying for a two years ( not super great, but far from 'dooms day" status. ). They'd probably do OK in the future if Apple 'quit' again.

The main market for discrete modem is more so going to be in PC/Tablets/Routers/ USB-'cards' . Also mini stations. These don't have the same lowest power consumption possible constraints Apple was probably asking for. ( for stuff plugged in and running 24/7 not even close. Low is better but not paramount. ). Note that Intel said they were quitting the smartphone 5G model ; not all of 5G modems. The non smartphone space is at least as big, if not potentially bigger, than the smartphone space. Intel could go get multiple customers there for their modems.

Intel merging a CPU+GPU+Modem in some EMIB/MCM package for future laptops is a far brigther market for them. If the modem is hard bundled to the core CPU package of the PC then margins won't be as big of a problem for Intel. Same for a package "mash up" of CPU+Wi-Fi-Modem for a mid-high end consumer router chipset if Intel wanted to go that way. Those two would also be a path out of discrete 5G modems for Intel that Apple has zero interest in. There is no "free lunch" there for Intel ( as Qualcomm, Samsung, Hauwei , etc. ) will have modems in this space too but the number of customers is higher ( so more possible designs to get a win on. )



That would have been in cooperation with Qualcomm. Apple ordering reference boards.



The 'tilt' aspect is probably over talked about in these forums. Apple got some stuff and Qualcomm got some stuff. Nitpicking on the stack on one side being incrementally higher than the other misses the forest for a tree. Neither one of these two companies are going to the 'poor house' over this deal. [ Apple wailing over how Qualcomm is over charging on their modem component is beyond lame when look at what Apple does to SSD/NAND cost markups with about zero added direct value. ]



Eh.... Intel has a major role but Apple's Scrooge McDuck skimping on their component suppliers is also part of the problem. Since they are about the only discrete smartphone modem buyer if they wanted to dump Qualcomm and go to someone with only one customer, Apple should have paid more ( not less) than what they were paying Qualcomm. Qualcomm has/had a order of magnitude more customers to spread R&D costs over. Intel doesn't. The complete 5G solution covers even more wider variety of radio frequencies/band and technologies than 3G-4G did. And Apple want's that all done on Scrooge McDuck pricing. Intel has money, but they also have about two order of magnitude more products to work on than Apple does.

Intel jumped in and bought Infineon ( https://newsroom.intel.com/news-rel...ion-of-infineons-wireless-solutions-business/ about the same time Apple dumped Infineon for Qualcomm. (and Infineon had underestimated LTE demand so lost even more customers pretty quickly). As long as Apple's primary strategy is to dump all of their cellular modem buys into one and only one vendor, they were going to have a long term problem finding an ecosystem of vendors to buy from. if starve off all the other options, eventually they won't be there. ( Qualcomm having a one modem that does pragmatically just about every cell service worldwide is/was attractive to Apple's view of simplifying supply chain. But that becomes a dual edge sword if taken to the extreme for long periods of time. Minding that other sword edge is Apple job. )


Bringing modems largely in house may not be much better in managing the complexity of the product evolution. Probably not the "Emperor's New Clothes" fab production problem Intel goofed on pretty badly 6+2 years contract is indicative that Apple isn't going to easily slam dunk this in a year or so either. This may take some substantial time.



On modems yes. That is more so driven by being Intel's one major customer in that space. ( Similar to collapse of Global Foundries 7nm business when AMD largely wanted to walk away. ) Off every Intel product possible? Maybe not. In part that depends upon AMD ( who doesn't have a completely spotless record either over last 5 years. Of recent better, but have stumbled also. ).

There isn't Mac volume to support complete detachment from the broader market R&D.
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Intel is one of CEVA's license buyers. The core baseline of the cellular DSP could be here. ( versus custom in-house).

https://www.ceva-dsp.com/ceva-licensees/

If so that would be another reason for Apple to be a bit more than agitated to jump into doing it themselves.

"..CEVA expects revenues from Apple starting Q3.."
https://techtime.news/2018/09/04/ceva-19/

If they can license large chunks of a core baseline design and substantively "improve it" while at the same time sharing R&D costs like they do with ARM architecture license, then they'd be more prone to 'cut out the middle man'.

"...
The first companies that come to mind are the traditional players such as Qualcomm, Intel and various other SoC vendors. Between all of these vendors there is one distinction to be made: those who use CEVA IP for their modem designs and those who do not. ..."
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12450/ceva-announces-pentag-5g-ip



There is far more that goes into a pragmatically working system across a scores of cellular network set ups. Some aspects of wrapping the rest of the system around this is where Intel came up a bit short, ( And also major hiccups on fab process rollout and expectation management. )

Intel is just getting out of the 5G smartphone modem business. They didn't say they were getting all the way out of the modem business completely. There are other devices than just smartphones that will use 5G. Getting 5G into an "even thinner" iPhone is not the only problem market to be addressed.

Some very good points made, thanks.
 
None of the reasons present by you actually stopped you from buying an iPhone with an intel modem.

Does that mean you bowed down to apple?

I no longer use an iPhone. My current phone is a Note 9. I didn’t know the Intel modem was this bad as my iPhone 6 and iPhone 7 Plus both had Qualcomm modems. Although it didn’t affect me much as I was mostly in high signal strength areas.
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Yes, it’s a good opinion but an unverifiable fact.


It’s incredibly naive to believe both sides gave up something. Apple probably payed and Qualcomm probably lowered their rates.
Apple is not the type of company to bow to a company like Qualcomm (Read Samsung vs Apple). They would never stand for a settlement. They had something to lose and Qualcomm knew it because they are essentially the monopoly here. If Apple had gotten something out of Qualcomm, they would have said something by now. Qualcomm is bragging all over the place while it’s crickets from Apple HQ.

If Apple wants 5G, they need Qualcomm. Without 5G iPhones are at a significant disadvantage.

Qualcomm can survive without Apple’s money.

It’s easy to see who has the upper hand at the negotiation table.
 
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So didn't you said Apple didn't need Qualcomm, they can wait it out or source it to a different supplier? Why did they agreed to pay Qualcomm and settle then? BTW I'm done. Thanks;)
What he wants to say is that "his own personal logic" is the only one that makes sense and should be taken in account.
Of course the best case for Apple would have been to actually show that they are the ones that were right in the legal battle vs Qualcomm and find another permanent supplier. None of this happened.

It's incredible how with all the money and resources Apple has they weren't able to subjugate Qualcomm. This just shows that having money is not everything in the end.
 
What he wants to say is that "his own personal logic" is the only one that makes sense and should be taken in account.
Of course the best case for Apple would have been to actually show that they are the ones that were right in the legal battle vs Qualcomm and find another permanent supplier. None of this happened.

It's incredible how with all the money and resources Apple has they weren't able to subjugate Qualcomm. This just shows that having money is not everything in the end.

At a certain point, money becomes meaningless in this kind of battle. Both sides had plenty of highly paid lawyers on the job, the law is the law, and they were at the mercy of the courts.
 
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Why are you a hater? Good question! I have no idea. But you make post after post, month after month, of nothing but negativity towards Apple. Apparently you enjoy trolling on an Apple-centric site.
Negativity doesn't equal hater. All my posts are fair(thta's all I care for).
Most of the time I only correct wrong claims.
Of course you are too biased to see it like it is.

I remember how you acted all superior in front of me when I suggested Apples should just use both Intel 8th and 9th gen CPUs and launch new iMacs as soon as possible but you kept claiming that Apple has to wait for Intel to launch the entire range of desktop 9th CPUs and AMD has to launch their Navi GPUs(they can't/wont use the refreshed Polaris cards or Vega cards) and so on. You acted like I do no know Apple, hardware, don't understand who knows what etc.
It looks like in that no ending discussion(in which you had the last word because there was no sense for me to continue it) I'm the one that was right and Apple did exactly what I suggested. This actually showed me that there's no point trying to have a conversation with you, it was a mistake I quoted you here. The best thing is to avoid users like you.
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Quoting semiaccurate? What’s next, relying on Fox News for processor analysis? And I see a few others have also quoted them - no surprise. Apple bashers always seem to attract clicks and semiaccurate has climbed the search results by posting an obviously biased article bashing Apple with no basis in fact.

It only takes a few minutes browsing their site to see all the BS they spew.

For example, they cover Qualcomm SoCs with numerous long articles extolling praises on all their incredible features. They do the same for Samsung Exynos and also for ARM processor cores (that others like Samsung and Qualcomm use). Apple processors? Nothing. Not only are there no articles on Apple SoCs (which is odd, as you'd expect a blog that talks about processors to do a write-up on the most advanced mobile processors available), but they don't even bother mentioning Apple SoCs in comparison along with other SoCs.

That tells me all I need to know about this "shill" site. Even the most hardcore Android websites talk about Apple processors and compare them to Exynos/Snapdragon.
LoL the article from semiaccurate is from November 2018 and it look like it's correct.
Intel this afternoon announced plans to exit the 5G smartphone modem business to instead focus on opportunities for 4G and 5G modems in PCs, internet of things devices, and other data-centric devices. Remember this?
If I'm a basher what are you? The ultimate apologist? I guess that's why you are so agitated.
 
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I no longer use an iPhone. My current phone is a Note 9. I didn’t know the Intel modem was this bad as my iPhone 6 and iPhone 7 Plus both had Qualcomm modems. Although it didn’t affect me much as I was mostly in high signal strength areas.
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Apple is not the type of company to bow to a company like Qualcomm (Read Samsung vs Apple). They would never stand for a settlement. They had something to lose and Qualcomm knew it because they are essentially the monopoly here. If Apple had gotten something out of Qualcomm, they would have said something by now. Qualcomm is bragging all over the place while it’s crickets from Apple HQ.

If Apple wants 5G, they need Qualcomm. Without 5G iPhones are at a significant disadvantage.

Qualcomm can survive without Apple’s money.

It’s easy to see who has the upper hand at the negotiation table.
Okay, it’s all conjectures. And Qualcomm lost billions in revenue while this was happening that they need for various other legal battles. Since the settlement is under wraps we are all taking our best guess at who lost more based on our own values and biases.
 
Okay, it’s all conjectures. And Qualcomm lost billions in revenue while this was happening that they need for various other legal battles. Since the settlement is under wraps we are all taking our best guess at who lost more based on our own values and biases.

Apple would not bend to a small fry like Qualcomm. Qualcomm only had risk of losing billions while for Apple their entire smartphone lineup was at stake.

The fact of the matter is Qualcomm is saying they recieved the payments, their stock price jumped and there is complete silence from Apple with no movement in their stock. Says it all.
 
Apple would not bend to a small fry like Qualcomm. Qualcomm only had risk of losing billions while for Apple their entire smartphone lineup was at stake.

The fact of the matter is Qualcomm is saying they recieved the payments, their stock price jumped and there is complete silence from Apple with no movement in their stock. Says it all.
There is no fact of the matter, only fact of the conjecture. That apple’s stock didn’t move says the market wasn’t worried about them, as 5g for a year or two would be a non-issue for Apple (some people might have cognitive dissonance over it however). Qualcomm’s stock movement showed how much they needed apple’s business.

With Qualcomm getting investigated they needed every cent of revenue they could gather.
 
There is no fact of the matter, only fact of the conjecture. That apple’s stock didn’t move says the market wasn’t worried about them, as 5g for a year or two would be a non-issue for Apple (some people might have cognitive dissonance over it however). Qualcomm’s stock movement showed how much they needed apple’s business.

With Qualcomm getting investigated they needed every cent of revenue they could gather.

It’s not possible for the market to not worry about Apple because they are fighting a company who has a monopoly on a component to be used inside their phone. Qualcomm’s stock rose because they won. Plain and simple.

there is no “year or two”. Intel failed at 5G and Apple is at least 5 years behind Qualcomm.

https://9to5mac.com/2019/04/18/apple-5g-chip/
 
There is no fact of the matter, only fact of the conjecture. That apple’s stock didn’t move says the market wasn’t worried about them, as 5g for a year or two would be a non-issue for Apple (some people might have cognitive dissonance over it however). Qualcomm’s stock movement showed how much they needed apple’s business.

With Qualcomm getting investigated they needed every cent of revenue they could gather.

He doesn’t seem to grasp market dynamics.
Or the simple fact of which side had more to lose.

Loss of one of two component suppliers or loss of ones entire business model.

I will hazard a bet he doesn’t understand why Qualcomm ceo has to go out and calm the market down and assure everyone that everything is going to be ok.
 
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It’s not possible for the market to not worry about Apple because they are fighting a company who has a monopoly on a component to be used inside their phone. Qualcomm’s stock rose because they won. Plain and simple.

there is no “year or two”. Intel failed at 5G and Apple is at least 5 years behind Qualcomm.

https://9to5mac.com/2019/04/18/apple-5g-chip/
Qualcomm’s stock rose because investors were salivating about additional billions in revenue from Apple. Plain and simple.

Apple’s stock didn’t move because investors were not worried about enough customers jumping ship to android if the 5g chip issue didn’t get sorted out. Plain and simple.
 
Qualcomm’s stock rose because investors were salivating about additional billions in revenue from Apple. Plain and simple.

Apple’s stock didn’t move because investors were not worried about enough customers jumping ship to android if the 5g chip issue didn’t get sorted out. Plain and simple.

5g is launching this year it won’t be relavent until 2021.

Don’t buy a 5G smartphone—at least, not for a while
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/12/dont-buy-a-5g-smartphone-at-least-not-for-a-while/

“For 5G mmWave in 2019, we’re going to get thicker, hotter, more complicated phones that use more energy and cost more money. With no commercial devices to look at, the exact extent of all of these downgrades is still up in the air, but it’s undeniable that first-gen 5G hardware is going to be inferior to more mature 4G designs. With 5G networks only in their infancy and a supposed $200-$300 premium for 5G-compatible phones, this really doesn’t seem worth it for consumers.”

iPhone users didn’t care about 3g when the first iPhone launched and didn’t care about 4g when apple launched the iPhone 4s.


The first generation of 5g devices launching this year will be buggy as hell, just like the first generation 3g phones and first generation lte phones.


Samsung 5g phone is having issues and lg has delayed their 5g phone.
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Qualcomms 5g leverage that some posters are pushing is laughable at best.
 
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Qualcomm’s stock rose because investors were salivating about additional billions in revenue from Apple. Plain and simple.

Apple’s stock didn’t move because investors were not worried about enough customers jumping ship to android if the 5g chip issue didn’t get sorted out. Plain and simple.
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-plus-8-9-per-iphone-in-royalty-fees.2178411/

Following news of the settlement, Qualcomm's stock has gone up over 38 percent, marking a big win for the San Diego company. The agreement includes a six-year licensing deal along with a "multiyear chipset supply agreement."
Qualcomm may also be receiving between $8 and $9 per iPhone from Apple in ongoing patent royalties, a figure calculated based on guidance numbers that Qualcomm provided following the settlement. Qualcomm said that it expects its earnings per share to increase by $2.

Apple previously paid $7.50 in royalties, so at $8 to $9 per iPhone, Apple would be shelling out more cash than it did before.

Apple appears to have had no alternative but to settle with Qualcomm, as it had no other way to source 5G chips for its 2020 iPhone lineup

Qualcomm won. Game over
 
5g is launching this year it won’t be relavent until 2021.

Don’t buy a 5G smartphone—at least, not for a while
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/12/dont-buy-a-5g-smartphone-at-least-not-for-a-while/

“For 5G mmWave in 2019, we’re going to get thicker, hotter, more complicated phones that use more energy and cost more money. With no commercial devices to look at, the exact extent of all of these downgrades is still up in the air, but it’s undeniable that first-gen 5G hardware is going to be inferior to more mature 4G designs. With 5G networks only in their infancy and a supposed $200-$300 premium for 5G-compatible phones, this really doesn’t seem worth it for consumers.”

iPhone users didn’t care about 3g when the first iPhone launched and didn’t care about 4g when apple launched the iPhone 4s.


The first generation of 5g devices launching this year will be buggy as hell, just like the first generation 3g phones and first generation lte phones.

You are right. At least IMHO.
For most, 5G is a checkbox on a marketing slide.
Let's face it, 4G/LTE is plenty fast enough for a handheld device.
I just ran a test. I'm getting 107Mbps down and 17Mbps up.
Most video streams even at 4K are under 10Mbps.
All 5G is going to do is have you hit those carrier caps sooner.

For fixed installations that rival cable and DSL (U-Verse, etc) 5G is a big deal.
Getting gigabit rates to houses typically involved fiber. Actually anything above 50Mbps requires something other than the standard two pair that you can use to bond DSL. Cable tops out higher but you are sharing resources with your neighbors and usually no QOS guarantee.

So for a handset, 5G gives you what?
I don't need it and don't care if a handset has it. It's a marketing checkbox on a cellular phone.
 
You are right. At least IMHO.
For most, 5G is a checkbox on a marketing slide.
Let's face it, 4G/LTE is plenty fast enough for a handheld device.
I just ran a test. I'm getting 107Mbps down and 17Mbps up.
Most video streams even at 4K are under 10Mbps.
All 5G is going to do is have you hit those carrier caps sooner.

For fixed installations that rival cable and DSL (U-Verse, etc) 5G is a big deal.
Getting gigabit rates to houses typically involved fiber. Actually anything above 50Mbps requires something other than the standard two pair that you can use to bond DSL. Cable tops out higher but you are sharing resources with your neighbors and usually no QOS guarantee.

So for a handset, 5G gives you what?
I don't need it and don't care if a handset has it. It's a marketing checkbox on a cellular phone.

It’s not just in your honest opinion, that’s how a lot of iOS users feel. 5g isn’t going to make Instagram or uber or Twitter any faster and that’s what 85% of users do if that.
 
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iOS, there was no win-lose, but you are right game over. Qualcomm wanted those billions as it’s going to need them, which is why the stock rose.

What’s Apple going to do without Qualcomm? Be the only phone manufacturer on the market with no 5G? With declining iPhone revenues and phones costing over 1k they need to be cutting edge in every respect. It’s not a matter of whether the speed difference is noticeable or not. When am I shelling out a grand it needs to be the best in every aspect and Apple knows it. The reason they compromised with Qualcomm is because they knew customers would not stand for a 4G iPhone for 5 years.

I mean I don’t notice that big of a speed difference between my iPhone X, 7 Plus and a Note 9. I even replaced my 6 with a 6s and even that’s serviceable. But I want the best be it a checkbox or not.
 
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What’s Apple going to do without Qualcomm? Be the only phone manufacturer on the market with no 5G? With declining iPhone revenues and phones costing over 1k they need to be cutting edge in every respect. It’s not a matter of whether the speed difference is noticeable or not. When am I shelling out a grand it needs to be the best in every aspect and Apple knows it. The reason they compromised with Qualcomm is because they knew customers would not stand for a 4G iPhone for 5 years.

I mean I don’t notice that big of a speed difference between my iPhone X, 7 Plus and a Note 9. I even replaced my 6 with a 6s and even that’s serviceable. But I want the best be it a checkbox or not.
Qualcomm wanted that money. Apple had a legal grievance, they settled. Qualcomm didn’t have Apple over a barrel any more than they want the billions from the settlement.
 
Qualcomm wanted that money. Apple had a legal grievance, they settled. Qualcomm didn’t have Apple over a barrel any more than they want the billions from the settlement.
No question of “wanting”. They already had the money. It was only a matter of time as no one can give Apple 5G except Qualcomm.
 
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