Originally posted by Rezet
Well tey can back up their products with real tests.
They can? Of course! RISC servers put your data at risk? Intel processors are the only way to access the internet? Centrino is the first laptop with wi-fi built in? (Dell says the same thing, lol) All of this is "true" according to Intel. Can you test any of it? Do they have tests to back up a word of it? If you believe anything they say at face value--really, anything at all--you're not an informed purchaser. Intel may make fine products, but everything THEY say about them is just pure BS. Third party sites/companies are the only way to verify that sort of thing.
Just about everyone knows that Stevie's Keynotes are a boat load of misleading info.
They do? Apple said the G5 was the fastest. Some MORON at Haxial decided to challenge people who build computers for a living... and got his ass handed to him. Apple sticks by their remarks, and at the time they were made, they were true. (I can't say whether it measures up to the new 3.2 GHz Intel chips, but I would imagine they hold up pretty damn well.
Apple's demos/bakeoffs are certainly suspect, as anyone's are, but they've never been terribly misleading... far less than this crap Intel spews. The Mac can do certain things quickly, and has always been able to. Apple exploits those things it excels at, but so does everyone else. This is not "misleading", this is called "marketing".
And mac fans do the same thing. Stevie said g5 is the fastest and backed it up with some bogus tests and right away it got into zealots' heads g5 is 8th wonder of the world. After 23rd of june, nooone has done any real testing but i've seen numerous posts at amd zone saying how macs are whooping their ass now...
I'm not sure what you're saying here... that no one's done testing, and that the macs are faster? Or that you don't think the Mac is faster?
The moron at Haxial (who apparently has some serious personal issues with Apple, for some reason) has devoted his life to attempting to dismantle everything Apple does. One look at the GUI for his software should be enough to convince anyone that his advice on how Apple should improve the OS X GUI is rather ridiculous... but I digress. He tried to cobble together reasons why Apple was lying about the G5, and not a week later Apple representatives explained, step by step, every single tweak that was made, why it was made, and that most of the time they were giving the Intel a better shot than it would normally have. The guy never said a word about the issue since.
Does this say anything to you?
Like I said, every company exists for profit, and Apple's profit margins are rather excessive. But it's obvious to most Mac users that they do care about their customers, or they wouldn't go out of their way to make things pleasant. Free overnight shipping on iPod service. Listening to feedback. Designing an OS that works the way people want it to, not necessarily the way they think it should (Apple's corrected its own interface blunders based on user input--has Microsoft *ever* done this?). Have you ever been to a good Apple Store? And you honestly don't think Apple cares about their customers... heh. Salespeople recommend cheaper products, encourage people to wait before buying a model that's going to be discontinued, supply information based on the needs of the customer, and offer help on getting the computer set up... all free, all going far beyond the typical computer sale.
Apple's in it for money, but they also know that without their fanbase they are nothing, and they want new fans. They DO work hard to keep us all relatively happy (some of us more than others). The point I'm getting at is that Intel/MS have guaranteed market share, and so they don't care about their users. It's all natural, an influx of money no matter what happens. Apple, in a minority position, is also in a caring position. If the positions were reversed, I've no doubt that Apple would act just like Microsoft--it's the way big companies are. Fortunately they've only barely begun to act like that, and for the most part they really do still try to make life easy for people. A computer is supposed to help you, not to become an endless drain on finances and time... and Apple makes Macs that last a long, long time. Why do you think they would do that, if they could just make them cheap and crappy so that people would give them more money, more often?