Yeah, but really, whenever you change something in the design you can get a bug, if the scan line issue on the powerbook teaches us anything it's that a mature product can get a more serious bug than a rev a product quite easily.
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Intel iBook at MWSF (January) 2006?
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Let's be realistic
As others point out, I see one of two scenarios. Either the iBk is released alone and is given outdated processors and meager gfx, or the iBk is released alongside the PB and both are given nice updates.
In the former scenario, I would expect
a Dothan processor
a Radeon Mobility x300
maybe larger HDDs and BT 2.0
no change to current form factor
In the latter scenario, I expect the iBk to receive
a dual core 1.67 and 1.88 proc for the 12" and 14" respectively
a Radeon Mobility x600
maybe larger HDDs and BT 2.0
probably widescreen models
In the latter scenario, I expect the PB to receive
a dual core 2.0 and 2.16 proc
an Nvidia 6600 Go and/or 6800 Go with 7800 Go BTO
maybe larger HDDs
no change in currrent form factor
However, with a rumored 13.3" form factor rumored to be released in April, I could see Apple waiting to release new form factors for the PB until the developer's conference in June and for the iBook possibly the convention in Sep. In that case, I really wonder if we won't have to wait until Sep. to see a Yonah release for the iBook. Another kink in all of these discussions is the possibility that the 15" will be updated before the 17"--a rumor circulated earlier. Any way, my mind is at a loss with all of the rumors so I will prepare to be underwhelmed (first scenario) and hope to be overwhelmed (second scenario or better).
BTW, for all of you who keep saying 1.5 GHz single-core Yonahs--the single core is not slated for production until April and it is slated for 1.67 GHz. Any 1.5 GHz single core would be a DOTHAN! That said, if Apple releases a Dothan, I will buy a PC until Merom and Leopard are married into an iBook in 2007. I am tired of waiting.
As others point out, I see one of two scenarios. Either the iBk is released alone and is given outdated processors and meager gfx, or the iBk is released alongside the PB and both are given nice updates.
In the former scenario, I would expect
a Dothan processor
a Radeon Mobility x300
maybe larger HDDs and BT 2.0
no change to current form factor
In the latter scenario, I expect the iBk to receive
a dual core 1.67 and 1.88 proc for the 12" and 14" respectively
a Radeon Mobility x600
maybe larger HDDs and BT 2.0
probably widescreen models
In the latter scenario, I expect the PB to receive
a dual core 2.0 and 2.16 proc
an Nvidia 6600 Go and/or 6800 Go with 7800 Go BTO
maybe larger HDDs
no change in currrent form factor
However, with a rumored 13.3" form factor rumored to be released in April, I could see Apple waiting to release new form factors for the PB until the developer's conference in June and for the iBook possibly the convention in Sep. In that case, I really wonder if we won't have to wait until Sep. to see a Yonah release for the iBook. Another kink in all of these discussions is the possibility that the 15" will be updated before the 17"--a rumor circulated earlier. Any way, my mind is at a loss with all of the rumors so I will prepare to be underwhelmed (first scenario) and hope to be overwhelmed (second scenario or better).
BTW, for all of you who keep saying 1.5 GHz single-core Yonahs--the single core is not slated for production until April and it is slated for 1.67 GHz. Any 1.5 GHz single core would be a DOTHAN! That said, if Apple releases a Dothan, I will buy a PC until Merom and Leopard are married into an iBook in 2007. I am tired of waiting.
mdavey said:
Alasta
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Everyone seems to be assuming that the iBook and Powerbook brand names will remain after the Intel switch. Let's assume for a moment that the iBook gets renamed 'Alpha', and the Powerbook gets renamed 'Beta'.
Alpha could be released in January and would outperform the current Powerbook, but the Powerbook would still be available for people who need to run PPC applications natively. Beta would then be released later in the year, and would replace the Powerbook, and outperform Alpha.
Thoughts?
Alpha could be released in January and would outperform the current Powerbook, but the Powerbook would still be available for people who need to run PPC applications natively. Beta would then be released later in the year, and would replace the Powerbook, and outperform Alpha.
Thoughts?
steve_hill4
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I agree, I wouldn't want to wait 12 weeks from announcement to shipping, and I don't think Apple would want to announce them 12 weeks before either, by the time they are available, the competition will have moved on.Photorun said:
mdavey
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steve_hill4 said:
It is just a matter of spin - of wordsmithing. When did Apple announce Leopard? Before WWDC '05 and most people expect it to ship immediately after WWDC '06 - over 12 months later.
Likewise, Apple could offer a "first glimpse" of some *Books at MWSF and announce the full feature set, pricing and shipping date at a seperate conference a few weeks later.
When I said "within 12 weeks", I meant the maximum time between announcement and people actually getting their machines, not the most likely period of time. I think there are still people who ordered their PowerMac Quad as soon as the online store listed it, who are still waiting for their order to be fulfilled, aren't there?
Its just a matter of wordsmithing.
Val-kyrie said:
A dualcore 1.67 and 1.88 Yonah with X600 dedicated graphics for the iBook?
LMAO Your *not* being realistic.
BlizzardBomb
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Because an Intel processor costs a lot more than a G4 I'm thinking that the low-end iBook would have Intel Integrated Graphics to save money. The high-end would probably have a Mobility X300 64MB. The iBook is a consumer model after all.
BlizzardBomb
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Hector said:
Good point actually, but I have heard that the Intel processors that could find their way into an iBook cost 2x or 3x more than a G4. I did use the word low-end after all as Think Secret said that one model could possibly be $200 cheaper.
BlizzardBomb
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steve_hill4
macrumors 68000
I know what you are saying, but I just don't see that as too wise. By the time they hit the shelves, they'll be thinking about announcing the Rev. B model, after all, it should ideally be 3-9 months between revisions now, (I say three if Apple follow PC manufacturers and shorten a models time before it's slightly imrpoved replacement comes out, hopefully more like 6 months). It's not really Apple's style to announce hardware so far in advance of shipping, but I do see your point about "within", but they might as well say "from today" and let stocks come as they are ready. Software generally tends to be a different matter, more important to announce well in advance, (e.g Aperture).mdavey said:
BlizzardBomb said:
This really is a piece of misinformed and flawed logic.
Comparing a higher-end Intel CPU at market price against a low-end G4 is a fundamentally wrong comparison. Not only will apple most likely use cheaper celeron M processors for the ibook and mac mini lines, but they get discount on the total package as well. So a discounted Celeron M 1.6 + chipset with IGU would be the price you should compare with the G4 +chipset + GPU. It is just out of the question that Apple would settle with much lower margins and / or horrendous build quality.
All the other speculation is just as silly.
Randall
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mdavey said:
You have got to be kidding me... You're still thinking like PPC. Intel's clock speeds are GHz above that. Try this:
15" widescreen Intel PowerBook dual core 3.6GHz - shipping within 12 weeks
The sad thing is that this system will kick the $h1t out of current PPC based Powerbooks, regardless of emulation and the Rosetta nonsense. It will do hula-hoops around the PPC G4s without breaking a sweat. Apple is foaming at the mouth trying to get these babies out the door. It will be a Happy New Year!!
Multimedia
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Wait Til After The Show
Wait for the Show. The Intel iBooks will be significantly faster than the current PPC models. They will also come with iLife '06. You should definitely wait for the SteveNote January 10, 2006.in2themystik2 said:
Randall
macrumors 6502a
generik said:
You're right. I guess Intel is stepping away from the space heater architecture. (After they brainwashed everyone in the PC market that more clock speed = better processor). Taking a lesson from AMD might do Intel some good. Taking a beach shovel a million times to dig the same hole that can be dug by a backhoe in a fraction of the trips. Faster doesn't always equate to better. It's the amount of instructions that can be executed per cycle that makes your processor robust. (And can save you power).
Val-kyrie said:
I agree with you on the use of Dothan in an iBook.
But I think there will also be 2 other iBooks
1.42 GHz G4 12"
1.67 GHz G4 14"
upgraded graphics + larger hard drive.
The Powerbooks will be
2.0 GHz G4 MPC 8641 w/ PCI express graphics
2.2 GHz G4 MPC 8641 w/ PCI express graphics
as soon as the MPC 8641 migrates to 65 nm process then they go Dual core. Uh, excuse me, I'm being called by the nurse, time to take my medication.