Intel iBooks with Front Row?

[AidenShaw]

I swear I read that Rosetta loads WITH each thread that normally, so it'd be closest to #3...

The real question, then, is whether this actually results in increased parallelism. Threads are a good way to isolate program tasks (and therefore simplify the programming and reduce bugs) - but if the application-level task just switches back and forth between the emulated thread and the Rosetta thread, there is no extra parallelism and a Duo and a Solo would perform at the same speed.

The real clincher would be to look at application benchmarks - if an app that never uses more than 100% of one CPU on a dual G4, and the same app under Rosetta on a Duo does use more than 100% of a CPU - then one should question the performance of Rosetta on a Solo.

 

[jMini]

uses an iPod hard drive.

Anyone got any reasons for these much smaller hardrives not being used in laptops? less reliable/fast???

I think that splitting the "macbook" line 3 ways makes sense, IMO alot of people use laptops solely for word processing and not much else. For example i could do with one for notes in lectures and dont NEED a laptop powerful enough to do anything else..

 

[pjkelnhofer]

I would be surprised to see an iSight and Front Row (more surprised to see an iSight).

And I still think having MacBook and MacBook Pro could provide for some consumer confusion, but I guess it kinda makes sense.

How is that confusing? Look at other companies computer names. Which is the entry level and which is the high end Inspiron or XPS? I think that you look at the specs and the price and you quickly have the two sorted out.

 

[rhsgolfer33]

I'll be happy as long as it doesnt have integrated graphics like alot seem to think. They suck, theres no comparison even to the cheap card thats in the current iBooks, I'd take the 9550 over integrated anyday. I doubt theyd do integrated when theres so many cheap cards available, but just the possibilty of it scares me. I wouldnt mind a core solo but would prefer a duo and a widescreen is a must. Would love front row as well. Dedicated graphics, a 1.6ghz or higher core solo, a 12-13 inch widescreen, and frontrow(w/ or w/o remote included) would sell me right away. I'll be using it for college, a little photoshop, travel, media, and a few games so a set up like that would be great.

 

[kalisphoenix]

*drools* Quad Core Duos *drools*

 

[MacQuest]

*drools* Quad Core Duos *drools*

Get the bib and napkins ready 'cause I'm gonna say it one more time:

17" MacBook Pro [Quad Core Duo] @ $3,499

 

[Chundles]

Get the bib and napkins ready 'cause I'm gonna say it one more time:

17" MacBook Pro [Quad Core Duo] @ $3,499

Oh goody..... another $5000 Apple laptop.....
Before anybody goes "but he said $3499" well $3499 there = $4700 here plus the likely $300 "Southern Hemisphere Tax" = $5000.

Why can't it come in at the current 1.83GHz MacBook Pro pricetag at the WWDC with a reshuffle of the 15.4" MacBook Pro down the price scale.

The current top of the line MBP sells for the same price as the 17" PowerBook. There is a massive leap between the 14" iBook and the 1.67GHz MacBook Pro that needs to be filled, I'd like to see 13.3," 15.4" and 17" MacBook Pro's in the current 12," 15" and 17" PowerBook price ranges. One model each with BTO options up the wahzoo.

 

[AidenShaw]

come on - can you add 2 + 2 ???? (and not come up with 7?)

Get the bib and napkins ready 'cause I'm gonna say it one more time:

17" MacBook Pro [Quad Core Duo] @ $3,499

One of the basic intelligence tests is to see if someone is able to recognize analogies and patterns....

Doesn't "Core Quad" sound like the logical progression to "Core Solo" and "Core Duo" ?????

And to emphasize the point, would you rather have a "Quad Core Duo" or a "Quad Core Solo"? Which would be faster?

 

[Natron]

How is that confusing? Look at other companies computer names. Which is the entry level and which is the high end Inspiron or XPS? I think that you look at the specs and the price and you quickly have the two sorted out.

I think MacBook Express or something makes a lot more sense then just having a computer called "MacBook".

 

[gregarious119]

I think MacBook Express or something makes a lot more sense then just having a computer called "MacBook".

I don't know though...MacBook Express is a mouthfull. Doesn't quite roll off the tongue like "iBook" does. Macbook or MacBook Lite seem a little more Apple-esque. I definitely can see where you're going, I just don't know if Express is a a good word when you stick MacBook in front of it.

We'll just have to wait until April 1 to find out I suppose. Maybe it'll be something totally unthought of. I know only one person thought of Macbook before MWSF, so who knows what'll come out of there next.

 

[spencecb]

I find it hard to believe that Apple would make the specs of the iBook (MacBook) so close to the new MacBook Pro. It would just be silly on their part, because what would the significance be of paying all that extra money to get the MacBook Pro when the new iBook is almost just as good?

I am willing to bet the new iBook will only have one core, have an option for a built in iSight, and otherwise remain the same as the current iBook offering.

 

[MrCrowbar]

The new iBook will be called MightBook, I tell you.
Powermac will be UltraMac and there will also be a Mac Nano that's as small as a CD jewel case.

Another possibility would be MacBook Consumer.
There will also be the iFlat tablet, the iPhonePod and the iToy (Apples gaming console with built in iSight). Not to forget the iScream which will be the coolest and sweetest device ever. There's also the iMap, a GPS unit with sudden motion sensor (and support for the IMAP Mail Protocol) and the iRobot wich will leave Sorny's Aibo in the dust. An all in one supercomputer for research called iNstein and a brain function enhancement helmet called iDea will be introduced shortly.

The above lines are purely fictional. Any similarities with real devices is coincidal and not intended.

 

[MacQuest]

One of the basic intelligence tests is to see if someone is able to recognize analogies and patterns....

Doesn't "Core Quad" sound like the logical progression to "Core Solo" and "Core Duo" ?????

And to emphasize the point, would you rather have a "Quad Core Duo" or a "Quad Core Solo"? Which would be faster?

Oh snap! I just done got schooled by one of them there intelligent-type peoples. I've heard of them b4. He must be edumicated with a name like Aiden too.

Calm down Einstein. In response to your question of "Doesn't "Core Quad" sound like the logical progression to "Core Solo" and "Core Duo" ?????"...

No. Not unless it's a single processor with 4 cores, seeing as how the Core Solo is a single processor with a single core and the Core Duo is a single processor with two cores.

I was simply talking about using two Core Duo's in the same machine. So basic intelligence would have told you that a Core Quad moniker in the sense that I intended it does not follow the current naming convention, or pattern, used by Intel. Recognize that?

But thanks for attempting to analyze my analogy... oh wait, I never provided an analogy.

Here's a big word for you since you seem to like to throw them around: Dictionary.

Get one and then use it to test your basic intelligence, Aiden.

P.S.
People who use a multitude of question marks and/or exclamation marks at the end of a sentence tend to come off as... non-intelligent.

 

[KindredMAC]

Oh snap! I just done got schooled by one of them there intelligent-type peoples. I've heard of them b4. He must be edumicated with a name like Aiden too.

Calm down Einstein. In response to your question of "Doesn't "Core Quad" sound like the logical progression to "Core Solo" and "Core Duo" ?????"...

No. Not unless it's a single processor with 4 cores, seeing as how the Core Solo is a single processor with a single core and the Core Duo is a single processor with two cores.

I was simply talking about using two Core Duo's in the same machine. So basic intelligence would have told you that a Core Quad moniker in the sense that I intended it does not follow the current naming convention, or pattern, used by Intel.

But thanks for attempting to analyze my analogy... oh wait, I never provided an analogy.

Here's a big word for you since you seem to like to throw them around: Dictionary.

Get one and then use it to test your basic intelligence, Aiden.

P.S.
People who use a multitude of question marks and/or exclamation marks at the end of a sentence tend to come off a little... non-intelligent.

Time to come down from that mighty high horse you have perched yourself on MacQuest. You've done nothing but snipe and rip people apart for having opinions and ideas that are different than yours in this whole post.

Relax dude, this is all for fun and to support our Macrumors habit.

Do you think Apple is watching this and tomorrow morning at the Monday morning meeting say, "Hey Steve, this guy named MacQuest says that we should price our 17" Quad Dual Core MacBook Pro, that we have no intentions on creating, at $3499.00. I think he's on to something."?
Just as that poor sap has uttered those words, fire shoots from Steve Job's eyeballs and engulfs him.... all the while Steve screams to his MacWraiths, "Bring me the one called MacQuest.... his foolishness will not be tolerated."

 

[DeepIn2U]

Irrelevant?

And that is why programs dependant on Core Video (like Motion) get faster as VRAM increases?

But hey, here is what Apple writes on it's Core Image info page
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/coreimage/:

"When a programmable GPU is present, Core Image utilizes the graphics card for image processing operations, freeing the CPU for other tasks. And if you have a high-performance card with increased video memory (VRAM), you'll find real-time responsiveness across a wide variety of operations."

Did you note how increased VRAM is needed for real time effects?

As I said, you'll never see shared memory integrated video on a Mac.

THANK GOD WELL SAID!! I was itching to give a slap to whomever said that they wanted no VRAM!!!!

 

[MacQuest]

Time to come down from that mighty high horse you have perched yourself on MacQuest. You've done nothing but snipe and rip people apart for having opinions and ideas that are different than yours in this whole post.

Relax dude, this is all for fun and to support our Macrumors habit.

Do you think Apple is watching this and tomorrow morning at the Monday morning meeting say, "Hey Steve, this guy named MacQuest says that we should price our 17" Quad Dual Core MacBook Pro, that we have no intentions on creating, at $3499.00. I think he's on to something."?
Just as that poor sap has uttered those words, fire shoots from Steve Job's eyeballs and engulfs him.... all the while Steve screams to his MacWraiths, "Bring me the one called MacQuest.... his foolishness will not be tolerated."

KindredMAC-
Me and Guffman pointing out to you that, as you stated, "everyone knows what an iBook is and that that is Apple's advantage" therefore implying that a name change to MacBook would be a bad thing, despite the fact that the word Mac should be in any Macintosh computer's name the way Steve Jobs himself has recently stated, is in no way "doing nothing but sniping and ripping people apart".

In that matter, we simply disagreed with you saying that Apple's advantage was a known name as opposed to the direction that they are now going which is to advertise the Macintosh OS by incorporating the word Mac in Apple's computer names.

As far as my sharp tongued response to AidenShaw, you may want to take into consideration that his response to me that started with "One of the basic intelligence tests is to see if someone is able to recognize analogies and patterns...", probably wouldn't exude the most gentle response from anyone.

Yes, "this is all for fun and to support our Macrumors habit", and as an open forum we have the right to disagree, but it's all in how you do it. Although I disagreed with your post yesterday, I didn't attack your intelligence [which would be stupid because I don't know anything about you beyond these forums] the way Aiden tried to attack my intelligence.

 

[AidenShaw]

language can fail us...

...seeing as how the Core Solo is a single processor with a single core and the Core Duo is a single processor with two cores.

Or "the Core Solo is a single chip with a single processor and the Core Duo is a single chip with two processors"...

A "core" is everything that you've ever called a "processor".

A "dual core" chip is a chip with two processors. Two CPUs. Nothing else makes sense.

 

[2nyRiggz]

sounds great bring it on...i wont get one though.


Bless

 

[beatle888]

One of the basic intelligence tests is to see if someone is able to recognize analogies and patterns....

Doesn't "Core Quad" sound like the logical progression to "Core Solo" and "Core Duo" ?????

And to emphasize the point, would you rather have a "Quad Core Duo" or a "Quad Core Solo"? Which would be faster?

why be such a jerk Aden? i hope you find happiness one day. the guy was casually commenting on something and you, feeling small and needing an ego boost put him down.

 

[MacinDoc]

According to Intel's own roadmap, Yonah/Core Duo will only achieve 2.33 GHz after the next, only and final revision of this chip (Q2 or Q3?). 2.33 is the top speed for this chip.

Well, I haven't seen a credible roadmap that describes in detail Intel's entire roadmap for the Core Duo, but according to AppleInsider, the 2.33 GHz Core Duo is due out at about the same time as the iBook, so the difference between the iBook and the MBP could be 50% in terms of CPU clock speed, and there would likely be a large difference in terms of HD and GPU speed. It seems strange to me that Intel would stop production of the Core Duo after only 6-9 months, so I am suspicious of any source that suggests that 2.33 GHz is the end of the road for the Core Duo.

 

[MacQuest]

A "core" is everything that you've ever called a "processor".

A "dual core" chip is a chip with two processors. Two CPUs.

That's good to know. Seriously. I thought a Core Duo was a single "processor" with two embedded processors. Admittedly, I didn't know how the Core Duo's were made up physically, nor did I ever say I did.

Now I know it's actually a chip with two processors which are actually considered the cores. I was just misinterpreting the name Core Duo.

Information without unnecessary sarcasm and/or childish belittling sure does lend a lot more credibility to a person trying to convince others of his/her intelligence.

 

[sunfast]

Does anybody else feel they aren't quite catered for by Apple's laptop lines?

For my requirements the iBook (and it seems its succesor) is far too weedy and compromised yet the MBP is very expensive with more features than I really need. I feel that the priority is for a professional laptop and a cheap entry laptop. What about the rest of us!

In desktop land I'd buy an iMac but I'd like a lappy. I'd love to see a midrange laptop that's somewhere between the two.

 

[mrgreen4242]

Does anybody else feel they aren't quite catered for by Apple's laptop lines?

For my requirements the iBook (and it seems its succesor) is far too weedy and compromised yet the MBP is very expensive with more features than I really need. I feel that the priority is for a professional laptop and a cheap entry laptop. What about the rest of us!

In desktop land I'd buy an iMac but I'd like a lappy. I'd love to see a midrange laptop that's somewhere between the two.

The Intel laptop line is very sparse at the moment, but that's to be expected... they are slowly transitioning their hardware to a new platform, and they started from the top down with laptops (and from the middle out with desktops).

They'll get to you (and me, incidentally) soon enough. I suspect that the low esnd MacBook Pro or perhaps a high end iBook will fit the bill for us. In fact, as long as they keep with their current pricing and features scheme, a new 12" (or 13") PowerBook should be about right for people like you and I... $1500, decent CPU (in this case I think 1.67ghz Duo while the other machines are going at 1.83 and 2.0), decent GPU (x1300 or Go7400 or whatever NVidia is comparing to the 1300 right now) with 128mb VRAM, 1.5gb max ram, 80gb 5400rpm HDD, etc etc.

Anyone got any reasons for these much smaller hardrives not being used in laptops? less reliable/fast???

I think that splitting the "macbook" line 3 ways makes sense, IMO alot of people use laptops solely for word processing and not much else. For example i could do with one for notes in lectures and dont NEED a laptop powerful enough to do anything else..

They are quite slow... 4200rpm (like the current iBook/mini drives) with seek/latency times that are another 20% slower than the 2.5" 4200rpm drives. It's doable, but would really cripple the computer (the iBook and mini HDD performance is barley adequate).

What WOULD probably work, though, is a high speed solid state drive, say 15 to 20gb's, and a 40-60gb 1.8" HDD. There's been talks of this before, and there a few manufactures getting ready to do something similar, mostly for weight and battery issues, as the performance still wouldn't be as good as a standard HDD.

 

[bugfaceuk]

I don't think having an isight on a laptop will cause issues. Aren't restuarants and coffeeshops allowed to have cameras in their bathrooms?

It would certainly mean I couldn't take my laptop into any of my customer sites.

 

[bugfaceuk]

Does anybody else feel they aren't quite catered for by Apple's laptop lines?

For my requirements the iBook (and it seems its succesor) is far too weedy and compromised yet the MBP is very expensive with more features than I really need. I feel that the priority is for a professional laptop and a cheap entry laptop. What about the rest of us!

In desktop land I'd buy an iMac but I'd like a lappy. I'd love to see a midrange laptop that's somewhere between the two.

Yup, me too. Although I feel like I am jumping the gun a little given that I have not yet seen the specs for an Intel iMacBook.

I guess the MacBook Pro feels pretty close to my wish list, but it seems so expensive. Although I would like an iSight on my "home" laptop, I don't want it on my business laptop. Or FrontRow.

I guess maybe it's more that the laptop line isn't setting me alight at the moment. As many others have said though, maybe we just need to see the "whole line-up" before we know what we would like.