Abydos
macrumors 6502
I wonder: will they ever dump the pdp/vax architecture (ie x86)
edit : for some reason this site turns pdp into pop
edit : for some reason this site turns pdp into pop
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Intel launches Macbook Neo killer
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Technerd108
macrumors 68040
They should have done so years ago.
Only big businesses care about legacy at this point.
Windows on arm should have replaced x86 windows BUT MS has too many ties to Intel and AMD and all the OEM's and I don't see it changing any time soon.
Starfia
macrumors 68000
throAU
macrumors G4
cheap intel SOC will be either very power hungry or very slow
*yawn*
*yawn*
throAU
macrumors G4
Yeah apple have proven that emulating x86 can be done fast enough if you have a competent modern architecture.
Kriss_De_Valnor
macrumors member
Intel? Killer???
From pure hardware point of view there is only one solution on the market which can compete with Apple silicon. It is the latest Snapdragon X2 family.
From pure hardware point of view there is only one solution on the market which can compete with Apple silicon. It is the latest Snapdragon X2 family.
If that's the comfort blanket you cling to then good luck with that.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
It may be a competition killer in the windows arena but the neo target audience is not a core i3 audience imo.
Agree heartily. But right now it seems Apple is doing the best of the major players on a number of fronts.
Jumpthesnark
macrumors 68000
Clearly clickbait garbage headline. Does Intel even make laptops? No, they make chips. A chip doesn't compete with a laptop, they're two different things.
But OP is getting the attention they want, so yay?
But OP is getting the attention they want, so yay?
Seems a lot of commenters on here are rather pithy. Address them c/o Intel Inc. if you think you're relevant.
Bazza1
macrumors 65816
Neo build and its processor use is certainly setting a bar for lower-cost laptops, and while there are a few manufacturers who build a decent inexpensive laptop and that might benefit from this Intel processor (let's not get too smug, Apple'ites - it wasn't all that long ago that many couldn't wait for the next Intel-powered MacBook), the bigger issue is not the build or processor, but the OS they are stuck with. And the average computer user doesn't want to deal with / replace with the alternative to Microsoft Windows.
Abydos
macrumors 6502
the i3 comment was off base, busy learning new bridge partners bidding quirks (or conversely partner learning mine - your choice), but the segmented memory model can be a pain (it was fine for 8080 through 8286 days maybe even through 80386 days but in 64 bit address days not very efficient - I did assembly language programming on the 8 through 32 bit addressing chips but 64 bit chips I started seeing more accidental overwrites of memory due to (poor) indexing schemes - they snuck into gnu c++ for example giving rise to some weird results (strange results that appeared on x86 systems that were memory out of range errors on power pc systems), needless to say its easy to lose faith in the integrity of the code base, thus my concern
1BadManVan
macrumors 68040
"Major manufacturers including Acer, Asus, HP, and Lenovo will ship Core Series 3 laptops soon, though early pricing signals like the $1000+ Honor MagicBook 14 raise affordability concerns."
Well, so much for being a neo killer, pricing guesses make it more comparable to an air, which i doubt a rebranded celeron chip will come close to touching on any metric besides battery life lol
Well, so much for being a neo killer, pricing guesses make it more comparable to an air, which i doubt a rebranded celeron chip will come close to touching on any metric besides battery life lol
BSDnostalgia
macrumors 6502
I remember it slightly differently:
2003: Steve tells us PowerPC is the best architecture
2005: Steve tells us PPC can't compete on power-heat/performance/price due to Intel's ability to scale
2006: Apple releases first lame Core Solo and Core Duo Macs early 2006
2006: Apple releases decent Core 2 Duo MBPs that are pretty nice; hope fades
2008: Apple buys P.A. Semi - hope that Apple will return to PPC; gradually hope fades again
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2020: Apple announces transition to Apple Silicon version of ARM64 - Hallelujah!
In the meantime, Intel devolved out of both Itanium and ARM markets for alternatives to x86-64 in the high-end and mobile computing markets.
ikramerica
macrumors 68020
I bought my son a Lenovo IdeaPad Slim3 for $189 and the fit and finish on it is also quite good. So Apple doesn’t have a monopoly on that.
That computer is only 4/64 with a cheaper processor, but as a Chromebook it works well and has a touchscreen. And the blue color is nice.
BSDnostalgia
macrumors 6502
Never say never, but, I've been burned, literally and figuratively, too many times by Intel iGPUs that managed to be both hot and slow. Or is that, "Well, it may be hot, but, it sure is slow!" So, color me skeptical on this. Is the iGPU hot, or, slow? For example, are there fanless Panther Lake systems that compete with the Air?
1BadManVan
macrumors 68040
idea pads aren't bad but they aren't anywhere near the quality of the MacBooks lol. My daughter has the IdeaPad Slim 5, which is a step up from the 3 series. It's a nice laptop and decent build quality for what it is but it's nowhere close to my air. It still has a lot of plastic to the build. Doesn't feel nearly as solid as my MacBook Air.
My wife has a Legion 5 which is another step above my daughters Slim 5 and it still doesn't compete with the build quality of my air.
As long as the build quality is good enough for you, then great, but trying to compare the quality of those to a MacBook is a bit ridiculous, you have to step up to a much more premium built windows machine to get to that level
jido
macrumors 6502
The new Intel processors are based on their latest generation, which had only high end parts until now. The result should be good for battery life and reasonable performance and price. But current memory and SSD prices will make it difficult to compete with the Neo in the short term.
On laptops that is true. On desktops Apple is not competitive.
However laptop CPU performance is good enough for 80 or 90% of what most people actually need where most people excludes Gamers.
A performance, battery life, and build quality match to an M1 MacBook Air that properly runs Linux would very much interest me. As Apple has so far been unwilling to release the full hardware specifications to the M1 and M2 machines an Intel or AMD equivalent would interest me. Asahi keeps having to reverse engineer things that should be published.
Macaholic868
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Let’s stop referring to a new product as an existing product “killer” until the actual sales numbers are in and we know the product in question is actually driving down sales of the product it’s supposed to be “killing” in massive numbers. Until then it’s all hype.
Technerd108
macrumors 68040
I have heard xxx mac killer for over a decade now.
Seems like Apple made the best choice moving to arm and producing their own chips.
A laptop like the Neo would not be possible if Apple were still using Intel and I doubt this new Intel Celeron chip could power a similar chassis with no fan?
Celeron inspires confidence.....Lol
Intel needs to produce a chip that is scalable like the a series and m series. If every Intel chip shared the same base and it was just a difference in CPU and GPU core count they could offer more value instead of a Celeron. On top of that they need to produce a powerful, efficient, and much less heat. If they could produce a laptop chip that doesn't require a fan until you get into pro or gaming but is still very powerful like the m5. Then make it super cheap. They could make money on numbers.
Once people realize it actually works the same as a MacBook Air m series in terms of performance, heat, GPU, battery life but with Windows and if OEM'S made some nice CNC unibody laptops to compete with air and all metal nice materials laptops for the Neo category. If you put the same Intel chip in both but charge different based on category but give more than Neo and air say with more ram and storage and better screens and keyboard then you have a Neo Killer.
Until then we have the fragmented Windows laptops that range widely by brand specs and price. You can find some nice mid range Windows laptops on sale maybe last years model for $599 with 16gb ram and 512gb ssd but they all have fans and battery varies widely from like 4 hours to maybe 10 in real world use.
A Neo has no fans, 500 nits brightness, glass screen, all aluminum unibody, the a18 pro has low ram for MacOS but not poor ram like 6gb and the chip itself is pretty fast. What I think Apple should do since they are using an iPhone chip is put the latest and best version of the pro chip in future iterations instead of a gen behind as it will further the Neo competitive edge.
Seems like Apple made the best choice moving to arm and producing their own chips.
A laptop like the Neo would not be possible if Apple were still using Intel and I doubt this new Intel Celeron chip could power a similar chassis with no fan?
Celeron inspires confidence.....Lol
Intel needs to produce a chip that is scalable like the a series and m series. If every Intel chip shared the same base and it was just a difference in CPU and GPU core count they could offer more value instead of a Celeron. On top of that they need to produce a powerful, efficient, and much less heat. If they could produce a laptop chip that doesn't require a fan until you get into pro or gaming but is still very powerful like the m5. Then make it super cheap. They could make money on numbers.
Once people realize it actually works the same as a MacBook Air m series in terms of performance, heat, GPU, battery life but with Windows and if OEM'S made some nice CNC unibody laptops to compete with air and all metal nice materials laptops for the Neo category. If you put the same Intel chip in both but charge different based on category but give more than Neo and air say with more ram and storage and better screens and keyboard then you have a Neo Killer.
Until then we have the fragmented Windows laptops that range widely by brand specs and price. You can find some nice mid range Windows laptops on sale maybe last years model for $599 with 16gb ram and 512gb ssd but they all have fans and battery varies widely from like 4 hours to maybe 10 in real world use.
A Neo has no fans, 500 nits brightness, glass screen, all aluminum unibody, the a18 pro has low ram for MacOS but not poor ram like 6gb and the chip itself is pretty fast. What I think Apple should do since they are using an iPhone chip is put the latest and best version of the pro chip in future iterations instead of a gen behind as it will further the Neo competitive edge.
Definitely! We constantly see Android phones released and called “iPhone killers” that are quickly forgotten, and incomplete creative software packages called “Adobe killers” that can never quite do the job.