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Intel On Track To Deliver Penryn, Nehalem
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I thought the Penryn is essentially a low power laptop or iMac chip. The server and desktop chip is the Nehalem. So I think you are backwards here.
Macbook Pro update at MW2008 and Mac Pro update at WWDC in June/July 2008.
The Octo Xeon will be the flagship desktop chip until summer 2008.
Why do you say that?
Sun's low-end processor, the T1 has 8 physical cores
with each having 4-way "hyper threading". It can
run 32 threads per chip. The T1 works
well for the intended use, serving web pages.
http://www.sun.com/processors/UltraSPARC-T1/
I have a dual Xeon system here. I've enable hyper-
threading. I tested it both ways and I get better performance with hyperthreading enabled. This machine runs Linux and most of it's load is runnig a DBMS.
I think where hyperthreading does not work is where the user does not have more then one task to run. A lot of kids were disapointed that their video games did not run faster.
That is incorrect sir. The November Penryns will be 45nm quad-core Xeon processors and will replace the current 65nm Xeon dual-core and quad-core chips in the current Mac Pros.
I'm quite sure we will see quad core laptop processors next year.
I'd rather see Macbook update than a 13" MBP. There has to be enough difference between pro and regular, and imo screen size is big enough difference.
Cool, thanks for the info. Are there any big developments expected for the next iMac rev?
Yes, I heard they seriously think about going back to white...less buggy
(Sorry, it's late...)
There is a difference between failed and poorly implemented. The P4, which was the bread and butter of HT, was the latter.
So, basically, you're telling me that the most expensive machine Apple sells shouldn't have access to all of OS X's features? News flash, just because it's a Mac "Pro" line doesn't mean only professionals use it. I'm a student (again) in design and I would love to have use of Front Row. Besides, I have numerous friends who are professionals, and would like the use of a remote to show clients their completed projects. Front Row is great for displaying film and projects, so I highly doubt it's "stale", especially as Apple has been pushing it in their new products such as the iMac and Mac Mini (but again, not in their top of the line Mac Pro that sells for $2400+). As for iSights, are you kidding? Um, how about tele-commuting or web conferencing? The Mac Book PRO's have webcams, do those "professionals" not need iSights built in? Doesn't make any sense.
As for the displays, they have been SLIGHTLY updated, no big change. Brightness and some resolution adjustments, but as I own both a 2004 and 2007 23" ACD I know there hasn't been much done to the ACD line since 2004. I find this amusing since Apple has updated the iMac, Mac Mini, iPods numerous times but have left Mac Pro and Mac Mini users high and dry with stale displays.
and sorry for the rant, but I a sick of people using the excuse time and time again that Front Row isn't a big deal and professionals don't need it on the desktop Mac. After spending a couple thousand on a Mac Pro and display(s), I'd like to be able to use the same features offered to lower end Mac products. It's the equivalent of offering leather on only the 3 series Beamer but not on the 5,6, or 7 series models, it just doesn't make sense.
and how do you know this? The iSight was sold specifically for use with ACD's, and everyone I know who has a Power Mac or Mac Pro uses their iSights for teleconferencing, not just playing around on iChat.
Saying that Apple doesn't believe Front Row and iSights aren't necessary for professionals (and assuming only professionals buy Mac Pro's, they don't) is illogical. They sold my iSight bundled with a magnet fitting to go onto my ACD, where it sits currently, so if they didn't care why did they make them with Mac Pro optional mounts?
Someone already jumped on this, but you are most definetly wrong here. Penryn is a 45nm shrink of the Core 2 Duo. It will come in the flavors of Server/Workstation, Desktop and notebook.
Xeon is the first to get this new treatment, along with faster bus and more cache. New chipsets too
A quad Macbook pro is a long way off my friend. At least 6 months.
Now, an all octo Mac Pro line. Coming to an Apple Store near you very soon. It is you who are backwards.
Wikipedia and Google are your friend
macbook pros?
Is ANYONE besides me getting really tired of this friggin question every time intel farts?
If you want a Macbook / Pro get one. If not, get off the pot! Something tells me you just wanted something to say and arent even in the market for a new machine anyways.
Rant over.
Seriously?
Is ANYONE besides me getting really tired of this friggin question every time intel farts?
If you want a Macbook / Pro get one. If not, get off the pot! Something tells me you just wanted something to say and arent even in the market for a new machine anyways.
Rant over.
Cool: fast progress at Intel. Too bad: this stuff will be slow to make its way into the 'puters I'm likely to buy: MB and iMac. Frankly, I think it makes sense to wait for Nehalem, as that's new architecture, while Penryn is just a shrink of the same old stuff we have today. So the question is, when are we likely to see Nehalem in an iMac? I'm afraid that if they intro Nehalem mid-late 2008, it won't make its way into iMacs until about a year later, so late 2009 or even early 2010. That's too long to wait. Oh well, I'll hang on to my current machines as long as I can and see what's available later.
Thats pretty much what I came here to say. If you look at the agressive prices Intel is using to push the chips, there is no reason not to have an all octo lineup...
The current price for a single Xeon 2.0Ghz dual core (found in the cheapest MacPro) is $316. Thats also the same price for the new penryn Xeon 2.5GHz quad core chip. I would guess the lineup would be this...
Cheaper: Xeon 2.5GHz/1333MHz FSB
$2499: Xeon 2.8Ghz/1600MHz FSB
More Expensive: Xeon 3Ghz/1600MHz FSB
Unless Apple wants to bring back the $1999 Mac Pro and use the cheaper/slower 2.3Ghz QC or DC chips.
Apple doesn't make a machine that uses the Desktop processor line, so we can ignore that flavor
Historically? That's hysterical!
LOL - one minor case doesn't make it an historical trend!
Yonah: (Core mobile) Apple announced Yonah systems (iMac/MacBook Pro) at MacWorld the week following Intel's announcement of Yonah at CES in Jan 2006.
Woodcrest: (Core 2 Xeon) Intel announced shipping status for Wordcrest (Xeon 5100) on 26 June 2006. The MacPro was announced at WWDC in August, just over a month later.
Merom: (Core 2 mobile) Announced 27 July 2006, first used in MBP in October and the MB in November.
Clovertown: (Core 2 Xeon quad)
Apple was 5 or 6 months *late* in releasing Clovertown (quad-core 5300 series Xeon) processors. The other manufacturers announced them in November and were shipping by mid-December.
Apple didn't announce/ship the BTO option of the 5300-series chips in the existing Mac Pro motherboards until early April 2007.
What Apple did do, however, was ship the early 150-watt X5365 speed bin chips a few weeks before they were available from other vendors. SuperMicro and a couple of other 2nd tier vendors had them, and the 150-watt parts could be found on the street.
Most of the big vendors, however, passed on using the 150-watt chips that Apple was using, and waited for the newer design "G0" stepping which was recently announced on 14 August - which ran at the same 120-watt TDP rating as the 2.66 GHz chips. (Apple's maxi-tower was built to cool the raging furnace called a G5 - it could handle the heat, whereas many of the mainstream 1U/2U servers weren't able to deal with an additional 60 watts of heat and power consumption.)
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/339058/
Historically, Apple has only been first once, and that was for a b#st#rd high wattage design that the other vendors ignored.
LOL - one minor case doesn't make it an historical trend!
Yonah: (Core mobile) Apple announced Yonah systems (iMac/MacBook Pro) at MacWorld the week following Intel's announcement of Yonah at CES in Jan 2006.
Woodcrest: (Core 2 Xeon) Intel announced shipping status for Wordcrest (Xeon 5100) on 26 June 2006. The MacPro was announced at WWDC in August, just over a month later.
Merom: (Core 2 mobile) Announced 27 July 2006, first used in MBP in October and the MB in November.
Clovertown: (Core 2 Xeon quad)
Apple was 5 or 6 months *late* in releasing Clovertown (quad-core 5300 series Xeon) processors. The other manufacturers announced them in November and were shipping by mid-December.
Apple didn't announce/ship the BTO option of the 5300-series chips in the existing Mac Pro motherboards until early April 2007.
What Apple did do, however, was ship the early 150-watt X5365 speed bin chips a few weeks before they were available from other vendors. SuperMicro and a couple of other 2nd tier vendors had them, and the 150-watt parts could be found on the street.
Most of the big vendors, however, passed on using the 150-watt chips that Apple was using, and waited for the newer design "G0" stepping which was recently announced on 14 August - which ran at the same 120-watt TDP rating as the 2.66 GHz chips. (Apple's maxi-tower was built to cool the raging furnace called a G5 - it could handle the heat, whereas many of the mainstream 1U/2U servers weren't able to deal with an additional 60 watts of heat and power consumption.)
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/339058/
Historically, Apple has only been first once, and that was for a b#st#rd high wattage design that the other vendors ignored.
I doubt Apple will have the 3GHz Xeons (same speed as currently available, not much gap from 2.8GHz). 3.2GHz aren't being released to retail as Intel need to build up supply, but Apple would probably be able to get access to them.
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Intel Skulltrail supports SLI, Quad SLI
Skulltrail doesn't FASN8, it does obliterate
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Behardware.com
Socket B & Bloomfield in 2008
Intel "Harpertown" Xeon vs. AMD "Barcelona" Opteron
Intel Developer Forum 2007 - Day 1: Nehalem, Intel's GPUs, 32nm and More
"Nehalem" Taped-out and Running Windows
Inquirer.net
Intel Skulltrail supports SLI, Quad SLI
Skulltrail doesn't FASN8, it does obliterate
Harpertown benchmarks show a monster in the making
Intel shows off two big platforms
Behardware.com
Socket B & Bloomfield in 2008
No need to be confrontational. My point is that is has happened, which it has, and recently. I never used the word trend. And if you look at the context, I was pointing out that they weren't necessarily going to be delayed all the way until MWSF in January. I guess I didn't realize one word was cause for a lengthy rebuttal.
It's not really the Penryn core that makes the new Xeons so special but the new Stoakley platform. Between 1600Mhz FSBs, low-latency 800MHz FB-DIMMs, a redesigned memory controller, and an expanded snoop filter, the new Xeons offer quite tangible performance increases even at the same clock speeds. What's also very significant, is that between switching to a 45nm process for the CPU, a 90nm process for the northbridge, and newer FB-DIMMs, power consumption under peak load has actually gone down 25% at the same clock speed which is quite significant.
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/13224/2
I can definitely seeing Apple getting first dibs on Harpertown and Stoakley in November. The Mac Pro is in need of a refresh anyways, since the Cloverton was more an addition rather than a refresh, so it's good timing.
For mobiles, Penryn won't be out for mobile until Q1 2008, and Intel isn't likely to rush it since they have no competition performance-wise in mobiles. Apple, may well wait till Q2 to refresh the MBP, since the new Montevina platform is coming out then and there is no sense having to refresh the MBP twice in 3 months. Montevina is really the "true" platform for Penryn anyways with 1067MHz FSB and DDR3 support. In terms of quad core mobile chips, there are no plans to release them into mainstream. There are plans for a quad core mobile chip in H2 2008, but it'll be Penryn based, not Nehalem, and will only be an Extreme Edition part given it's 35W TDP. Quad-core mobile parts may not even be needed with Nehalem, since with SMT/HT, 4 virtual cores will probably be enough for mobile applications.