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I am looking at purchasing a new macbook pro 13 inch for my workflow. I am using windows 10 now, and I am ok with it but I think Apple's creative software is more suited for my line of work than windows. I really don't like not having a touchscreen if I move to mac, as I use it extensively on my windows devices now. But, I would probably use my ipad to counter that. Thoughts on what are my options?
 
Try it, that's really the only way to tell what will work for you. If you order it and decide within two weeks its not for you Apple will accept it back for a full refund no quibbles. Regarding the title, if you're on the fence between the M1 or Intel models, it's not even a contest IMO, the M1 is the future of the Mac platform and there's no downsides to using it With Apple's software suite. It's surely the one to go for.
 
That's what I have been leaning towards. We will see what comes in the mail after christmas. Ha ha. I have no apple store near me, only a Jump+ store 4 hrs away. They jack their prices above what apple sells direct for I have noticed as well.
 
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I am looking at purchasing a new macbook pro 13 inch for my workflow. I am using windows 10 now, and I am ok with it but I think Apple's creative software is more suited for my line of work than windows. I really don't like not having a touchscreen if I move to mac, as I use it extensively on my windows devices now. But, I would probably use my ipad to counter that. Thoughts on what are my options?
"Apple's creative software" is limited to iMovie, GarageBand, Logic, Final Cut Pro, Motion, Mainstage, Compressor, and their iWork suite.

Otherwise, Windows has the same programs and they typically run the same, if not better. M1 may very well change that given how crazy good the performance is.

But if you're comparing an Intel Mac to and Intel PC, you're likely going to get better mileage and flexibility in terms of hardware and software with an Intel PC.

That said, if you've already decided that the Windows world isn't for you, then, so long as you're cool with waiting for apps to become native, you might as well go with an M1 Mac as waiting for apps to become native is about the only real drawback (other than higher-end options such as four Thunderbolt ports, storage exceeding 2TB, and RAM exceeding 16GB).
 
That's what I have been leaning towards. We will see what comes in the mail after christmas. Ha ha. I have no apple store near me, only a Jump+ store 4 hrs away. They jack their prices above what apple sells direct for I have noticed as well.
It can be a pain when you don’t have a store close at hand, but I think you can return via phone/ online and post the machine back. No need to actually set foot in a store so that’s still an option for you if you want to order a machine direct from Apple and take advantage of their policy to let you try it :)
 
"Apple's creative software" is limited to iMovie, GarageBand, Logic, Final Cut Pro, Motion, Mainstage, Compressor, and their iWork suite.

Otherwise, Windows has the same programs and they typically run the same, if not better. M1 may very well change that given how crazy good the performance is.

But if you're comparing an Intel Mac to and Intel PC, you're likely going to get better mileage and flexibility in terms of hardware and software with an Intel PC.

That said, if you've already decided that the Windows world isn't for you, then, so long as you're cool with waiting for apps to become native, you might as well go with an M1 Mac as waiting for apps to become native is about the only real drawback (other than higher-end options such as four Thunderbolt ports, storage exceeding 2TB, and RAM exceeding 16GB).
Its not that the windows world isn't for me, I LOVE windows 10. I am wondering out loud if the macbook would make my workflow easier. Right now, I use Affinity photo, designer, and publisher, polarr photo editor, and wix for website creation. Plus MS services right now as I have a 365 sub. I am also paying for apple one (the big package). I am very undecided what to do, I tried mac 3 times before and just didn't like the OS functionality. Maybe this time I might. Expensive lesson again though. I love my iPhone and iPad, although I could put away my ipad if the surface pro X has apple news, imessage and facetime. Ha ha.
 
Its not that the windows world isn't for me, I LOVE windows 10. I am wondering out loud if the macbook would make my workflow easier. Right now, I use Affinity photo, designer, and publisher, polarr photo editor, and wix for website creation. Plus MS services right now as I have a 365 sub. I am also paying for apple one (the big package). I am very undecided what to do, I tried mac 3 times before and just didn't like the OS functionality. Maybe this time I might. Expensive lesson again though. I love my iPhone and iPad, although I could put away my ipad if the surface pro X has apple news, imessage and facetime. Ha ha.
Unless you're hoping for your cross-platform apps to be faster on an Apple Silicon Mac than they are on an x86-64 PC (which, many may very well be), there's not a whole lot that's Mac only that is of any real serious significance. Again, the Apple made apps are the only seriously notable exception (and even then, there are arguably better cross-platform alternatives to most of them out there).

Apple Silicon Macs offer speed and instant-on that Intel Macs were never able to provide. But at the end of the day, it's still macOS and the quality control on macOS releases now that Tim Cook has mandated annual release cycles for macOS means that, even with Apple Silicon, we're going to have glitchy releases that break things for no reason for the foreseeable future.

I've been a Mac person for the better part of the last two decades. I'm over the abuse. At least I know how to have a smooth running Windows 10 system and have had pretty stellar luck with Windows 10 releases (with only one or two notable exceptions). Since Snow Leopard came out eleven and a half years ago, there has only been three releases that I've had decent luck with start-to-finish (Mountain Lion, El Capitan, and Mojave); everything else has been glitchy. Though, my mileage with Big Sur hasn't been bad so far (though I'm not liking what I'm reading about it bricking machines).
 
Unless you're hoping for your cross-platform apps to be faster on an Apple Silicon Mac than they are on an x86-64 PC (which, many may very well be), there's not a whole lot that's Mac only that is of any real serious significance. Again, the Apple made apps are the only seriously notable exception (and even then, there are arguably better cross-platform alternatives to most of them out there).

Apple Silicon Macs offer speed and instant-on that Intel Macs were never able to provide. But at the end of the day, it's still macOS and the quality control on macOS releases now that Tim Cook has mandated annual release cycles for macOS means that, even with Apple Silicon, we're going to have glitchy releases that break things for no reason for the foreseeable future.

I've been a Mac person for the better part of the last two decades. I'm over the abuse. At least I know how to have a smooth running Windows 10 system and have had pretty stellar luck with Windows 10 releases (with only one or two notable exceptions). Since Snow Leopard came out eleven and a half years ago, there has only been three releases that I've had decent luck with start-to-finish (Mountain Lion, El Capitan, and Mojave); everything else has been glitchy. Though, my mileage with Big Sur hasn't been bad so far (though I'm not liking what I'm reading about it bricking machines).
Ok, Good to know. Yes, my windows machines are running great. I guess I was under the user marketing spell that macs were WAY better than windows based machines for doing what I am doing. Maybe that's not the case. One thing I don't like about apple is the way they tell you when your computer is obsolete. Not you deciding it is. I had a 2007 white macbook and a 2007 acer 7720. Both were bought within a month of each other. My acer is still running windows 10 20h2 right now perfectly fine, while I sold off the macbook because it could not run current browsers or anything. I purchased aperture back in the day as well. I went to install it again on this macbook after a hard drive failure and they would not let me do it, or help with it since it was now "obsolete".

Again, apple telling me my software I bought was no good. Not me deciding I need something newer. I was hoping that I could get onboard with apple again, because the integration with my iPad and iPhone is really good.
 
Ok, Good to know. Yes, my windows machines are running great. I guess I was under the user marketing spell that macs were WAY better than windows based machines for doing what I am doing. Maybe that's not the case. One thing I don't like about apple is the way they tell you when your computer is obsolete. Not you deciding it is. I had a 2007 white macbook and a 2007 acer 7720. Both were bought within a month of each other. My acer is still running windows 10 20h2 right now perfectly fine, while I sold off the macbook because it could not run current browsers or anything. I purchased aperture back in the day as well. I went to install it again on this macbook after a hard drive failure and they would not let me do it, or help with it since it was now "obsolete".

Again, apple telling me my software I bought was no good. Not me deciding I need something newer. I was hoping that I could get onboard with apple again, because the integration with my iPad and iPhone is really good.
In all fairness, I wouldn't run Windows 10 v20H2 on a laptop from 2007 (though, I wouldn't run v1507 on that either, even if it was supported still) because you are definitely not using drivers made for Windows 10. Not to say that you aren't running fine now, but the risks of instability go up when you're not running drivers made for Windows 10.

The marketing spell to fall under regarding M1 Macs are the speed and thermal efficiency at which they're able to get things done. That's where things are alluring. But the issues with the Mac platform pertinent to macOS (and relative quality control issues that Apple has for its annual releases) don't change with the switch from Intel processors to Apple Silicon SoCs. Otherwise, they're pretty, but that's about it. You can't even say that an M1 Mac is the ultimate PC like one was able to say about Intel Macs (for being able to natively boot all three desktop OS platforms). So, really, I'd give thought to how much you need macOS in your life. If you do, then by all means, M1 is the future of the Mac. Otherwise, a Mac is not necessary to enjoy the Apple ecosystem (the core of which is better experienced on Apple's other platforms anyway).
 
In all fairness, I wouldn't run Windows 10 v20H2 on a laptop from 2007 (though, I wouldn't run v1507 on that either, even if it was supported still) because you are definitely not using drivers made for Windows 10. Not to say that you aren't running fine now, but the risks of instability go up when you're not running drivers made for Windows 10.

The marketing spell to fall under regarding M1 Macs are the speed and thermal efficiency at which they're able to get things done. That's where things are alluring. But the issues with the Mac platform pertinent to macOS (and relative quality control issues that Apple has for its annual releases) don't change with the switch from Intel processors to Apple Silicon SoCs. Otherwise, they're pretty, but that's about it. You can't even say that an M1 Mac is the ultimate PC like one was able to say about Intel Macs (for being able to natively boot all three desktop OS platforms). So, really, I'd give thought to how much you need macOS in your life. If you do, then by all means, M1 is the future of the Mac. Otherwise, a Mac is not necessary to enjoy the Apple ecosystem (the core of which is better experienced on Apple's other platforms anyway).
It's working fine. Better than my macbook was for sure which basically turned into a paperweight with a light up apple logo on it. I still use my acer to take videos off my DV camera. It's running extremely well for a machine from 2007. The marketing I was following was all the users on youtube and stuff stating that it's so much easier to do creative things on mac. One place where this really is true is garage band for creating music. I have no such substitute on windows for that program. It's a tough decision. Then the next one is go intel macbook pro with a 4tb drive and install 10 on that as well?
 
ight now, I use Affinity photo, designer, and publisher, polarr photo editor, and wix for website creation. Plus MS services right now as I have a 365 sub.

Well, if you asked on this forum for software recommendations for those tasks on Mac, Affinity would probably be among the top recommendations for photo/vector/DTP. Whatever reasons you have for using Polarr as well as Affinity would still stand. "What you see is what you get" website creation applications are about as dead on Mac as they are on Windows so you'd likely end up with an online tool like wix... and if you interact with the outside world you'd probably end up needing that 365 sub as well.

If you want to switch to Mac then you don't want a touchscreen on your laptop. You may think you do, you may have had hallucinations of the touchscreen on your PC being useful, but that's just the toxic gasses emitted by Windows affecting your brain and causing you to doubt the truth of the gospel of Jobs. Seriously, though, now the M1 can run iPad/iPhone apps and people are finding that (amongst other issues) these suck without a touchscreen, there's a stronger case for future MacBooks having a touch screen.

I don't think anybody will forgive Apple for what they did with Aperture - and there have been other instances where they've dropped apps or replaced them with half-baked "improved" versions (e.g. Final Cut Pro X and "new" Apple Maps had very shaky starts). On the other hand, if Mac is indeed "better", one of the reasons for it is that Apple are prepared to dump things and force users to move on, whereas the windows world is a martyr to backwards-compatibility. It's one of the things that enables Apple to keep switching processor architectures and making major OS changes. Meanwhile, sadly, the whole "rent your software" or "your hardware/software stops working when our servers stop" business is an industry-wide trend, not just Apple.

GarageBand, as you mention, is one area where Apple is ahead of the game, and may even be their best application software product... especially when you outgrow it and have such an easy migration path to Logic (which is also half the price of full Ableton etc. plus free updates - something to offset against the "Apple tax"). Also, Mac does seem to do better than Windows for audio/MIDI stuff without so many driver hassles - although it's certainly not glitch-free. If creating music is a Big Thing for you then that's probably your strongest argument for Mac.

...however, whatever you do, I wouldn't switch right now.

First forget Intel - with Apple Silicon, Apple once again have a unique hardware offering that goes beyond a PC clone in a nice case with a MacOS license. The launch of the M1 seems to have been a big success, and although some exaggerated claims abound, when you compare like-with-like (i.e. ultraportable laptop with integrated graphics) they clearly have game-changing performance. However, they're still Apple's "entry level" machines and have severe limitations in terms of number of ports, support for external displays, max RAM capacity etc. So, unless you have money to burn or desperately have to have a new computer today I'd at least want to know what the new mid-range Macs are going to offer. It's also possible that the new MBP, Air and Mini will be fairly short-lived models that get replaced with more radical re-designs when they switch to MiniLED displays (...and if Apple were going to U-turn on touchscreens, that would be when it would make sense to happen).

Also - yeah, Apple's annual major OS upheaval is a royal pain, but is easily avoided by not upgrading until a few point releases have gone by and everybody has fixed their software. The only time you can't do that is if you buy a brand new Mac that can only use the latest version - and that goes double for the switch to M1. Give it time to settle down and remember that the early worm gets the bird, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
 
One place where this really is true is garage band for creating music.

There are plenty of DAWs on Windows that are better than Garage Band. Some are even cross platform now.

However if Garage Band is one of your few important reasons, then it sounds like your workflow has to be on a Mac.
 
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There are plenty of DAWs on Windows that are better than Garage Band. Some are even cross platform now.

However if Garage Band is one of your few important reasons, then it sounds like your workflow has to be on a Mac.
Can you provide some examples of the DAW on windows? thanks.
 
Well, if you asked on this forum for software recommendations for those tasks on Mac, Affinity would probably be among the top recommendations for photo/vector/DTP. Whatever reasons you have for using Polarr as well as Affinity would still stand. "What you see is what you get" website creation applications are about as dead on Mac as they are on Windows so you'd likely end up with an online tool like wix... and if you interact with the outside world you'd probably end up needing that 365 sub as well.

If you want to switch to Mac then you don't want a touchscreen on your laptop. You may think you do, you may have had hallucinations of the touchscreen on your PC being useful, but that's just the toxic gasses emitted by Windows affecting your brain and causing you to doubt the truth of the gospel of Jobs. Seriously, though, now the M1 can run iPad/iPhone apps and people are finding that (amongst other issues) these suck without a touchscreen, there's a stronger case for future MacBooks having a touch screen.

I don't think anybody will forgive Apple for what they did with Aperture - and there have been other instances where they've dropped apps or replaced them with half-baked "improved" versions (e.g. Final Cut Pro X and "new" Apple Maps had very shaky starts). On the other hand, if Mac is indeed "better", one of the reasons for it is that Apple are prepared to dump things and force users to move on, whereas the windows world is a martyr to backwards-compatibility. It's one of the things that enables Apple to keep switching processor architectures and making major OS changes. Meanwhile, sadly, the whole "rent your software" or "your hardware/software stops working when our servers stop" business is an industry-wide trend, not just Apple.

GarageBand, as you mention, is one area where Apple is ahead of the game, and may even be their best application software product... especially when you outgrow it and have such an easy migration path to Logic (which is also half the price of full Ableton etc. plus free updates - something to offset against the "Apple tax"). Also, Mac does seem to do better than Windows for audio/MIDI stuff without so many driver hassles - although it's certainly not glitch-free. If creating music is a Big Thing for you then that's probably your strongest argument for Mac.

...however, whatever you do, I wouldn't switch right now.

First forget Intel - with Apple Silicon, Apple once again have a unique hardware offering that goes beyond a PC clone in a nice case with a MacOS license. The launch of the M1 seems to have been a big success, and although some exaggerated claims abound, when you compare like-with-like (i.e. ultraportable laptop with integrated graphics) they clearly have game-changing performance. However, they're still Apple's "entry level" machines and have severe limitations in terms of number of ports, support for external displays, max RAM capacity etc. So, unless you have money to burn or desperately have to have a new computer today I'd at least want to know what the new mid-range Macs are going to offer. It's also possible that the new MBP, Air and Mini will be fairly short-lived models that get replaced with more radical re-designs when they switch to MiniLED displays (...and if Apple were going to U-turn on touchscreens, that would be when it would make sense to happen).

Also - yeah, Apple's annual major OS upheaval is a royal pain, but is easily avoided by not upgrading until a few point releases have gone by and everybody has fixed their software. The only time you can't do that is if you buy a brand new Mac that can only use the latest version - and that goes double for the switch to M1. Give it time to settle down and remember that the early worm gets the bird, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Solid advice. I really think apple is going to move to touchscreens in the next generation systems. If you watch snazzy's video on Big Sur, all signs point to yes it is happening. It's what I am hoping for if I move to mac. I have touchscreen everything in my windows setup from my 24" screen to my notebooks...everything is touch and I use it regularly. I goto my 2007 acer and start popping the screen and nothing happens and I just shut it off again.
 
Can you provide some examples of the DAW on windows? thanks.

Ableton (very popular)
Fruity Loops
Reaper
Cubase
Reason
Avid (popular in big post houses)
Mixcraft (Garage Band alternative)

and many more.

Depending on what your music creation flow is, for quick track laying, I had used Acid Pro for a long time. For electronic piano roll, I use Fruity Loops at the moment (which is on both Mac/pc). When I got my Mac several years ago, I started leveraging Logic Pro over Garage Band since it was too limiting.
 
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I am just a music fan. I play all kinds of different instruments. I want to plug in my guitar, or keyboard and create music using different tones and effects.
 
I will hold off for now and see what the imac and macbook pro with more power offers next year. I may jump onboard then. thanks for the information everyone.
 
Its not that the windows world isn't for me, I LOVE windows 10. I am wondering out loud if the macbook would make my workflow easier. Right now, I use Affinity photo, designer, and publisher, polarr photo editor, and wix for website creation. Plus MS services right now as I have a 365 sub. I am also paying for apple one (the big package). I am very undecided what to do, I tried mac 3 times before and just didn't like the OS functionality. Maybe this time I might. Expensive lesson again though. I love my iPhone and iPad, although I could put away my ipad if the surface pro X has apple news, imessage and facetime. Ha ha.
For your workflow I don't think you will. MacOS isn't really bringing anything to the table for those things. If you didn't like the OS the last three times I don't think you'll be too happy unless all those times were pre-OS X.

No imessage on Windows, but with an Android phone you can send SMSs. Not quite as slick though.
 
I use Mobile connect now for my on computer messaging. It's a bit flaky with connecting to the iphone but once it does it works very well. Thanks for the information everyone. I won't be moving to android for phones however, the only phone I would want to get is a samsung and the camera and accessories list is terrible compared to my iphone 11.
 
Try it, that's really the only way to tell what will work for you. If you order it and decide within two weeks its not for you Apple will accept it back for a full refund no quibbles. Regarding the title, if you're on the fence between the M1 or Intel models, it's not even a contest IMO, the M1 is the future of the Mac platform and there's no downsides to using it With Apple's software suite. It's surely the one to go for.
When will the new 16 inch M1 come out?
 
I am guessing they will release the 16" pro late in 2021 with a more powerful version of the M1. Along side the iMac M? whatever they call the new chip. M1X or whatever.
 
Ableton (very popular)
Fruity Loops
Reaper
Cubase
Reason
Avid (popular in big post houses)
Mixcraft (Garage Band alternative)

and many more.

Depending on what your music creation flow is, for quick track laying, I had used Acid Pro for a long time. For electronic piano roll, I use Fruity Loops at the moment (which is on both Mac/pc). When I got my Mac several years ago, I started leveraging Logic Pro over Garage Band since it was too limiting.
Don't forget Cakewalk, full blown DAW. Now it's free.
 
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