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Intel Says New Core i9 Processor for Laptops is Faster Than Apple's M1 Max Chip
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Its all good that intel can make a fast chip. And its great that its faster than the M1 even if it runs hotter. I wouldnt care about the case of the computer its in so long as it does its job without the fans being annoyingly loud. Here is the problem. i9's are expensive, way too much. So if they won't be delivering the same speed as an M1 chip at the same or lower price point, then who really cares from a switcher perspective? Its a non starter, sort of like switching from an M1 to an i9 is right now.
The biggest reason the M1 is preferred is it can be absolutely silent and run cool enough to put on your lap, not to mention the power savings it has. And intel thinks its all about speed. On the mac, thats what the faster ram and hard drive are for. They also finally tweaked the UI to run at the speed the chip can handle. Intel isn't really competing in all those areas. And I doubt they will on price, which would be enough to convince many. But if they want to keep going with specs alone and not overall experience. There will always be a faster chip every year.
The biggest reason the M1 is preferred is it can be absolutely silent and run cool enough to put on your lap, not to mention the power savings it has. And intel thinks its all about speed. On the mac, thats what the faster ram and hard drive are for. They also finally tweaked the UI to run at the speed the chip can handle. Intel isn't really competing in all those areas. And I doubt they will on price, which would be enough to convince many. But if they want to keep going with specs alone and not overall experience. There will always be a faster chip every year.
Interesting. However, the tasks you describe are not much more than idling. There is close to no computation happening from having tabs open, playing some music and having an ssh connection. It's great that Apple chips are so power efficient especially at low loads.
here is for example my data analytics running on the GPU. Personal real world example and drawing about 20W power on average. I'm not gonna get more than 3 hours battery life if I'd run this continuously.
Yes..I thought my laptop was broke because the fans never come on while crunching rendering video. Then I just “felt” a little breath coming from the vents, put my ears to it and said, “Oh…there’s fans in it.”
Goodbye Intel, had a good run…never going back. Apple silicone is “the new normal”.
If we take their graphs at face value (btw: watch how the same Apple haters that criticized them for vague graphs end up pointing at Intel’s equally vague graphs to circlejerk their supposed superiority) we’re talking about a .2x faster chip on a usual day, almost .5x faster with their turbo thing… using almost 2x more power. That’s a horribly low yield if you ask me or anyone that understands basic numbers.
tbf, the graph shows they are beating M1 even at 30W so... if I understand that correctly they still win
but...M2 is not released yet!
Things like this feels like just marketing towards shareholders and PC partners who are doubting intel’s capability. Basically intel is telling them “it’s okay guys. Look what we have on the pipeline. It looks good no?”
This doesn’t always translate directly to the products that consumers are having. AMD is really eating some of intel’s lunch, with OEMs starting to put out more attractive models (thinner and lighter) laptops using AMD chips instead of intel. I mean look at that Ryzen capable to be toe in toe with Apple Silicon at their own game in lower power. Now that’s quite a feat.
Do you not understand efficiency? Draw a vertical line at 35 watts, see which has more performance. It doesn’t have to go near 115 Watts in this test to surpass M1 Max performance.
You people need to calm down, competition is a good thing.
You people need to calm down, competition is a good thing.
I feel like Intel and also AMD's cpu's announced during CES2022 today shows that they've been super LAZY (Intel especially, AMD much less) on bringing the best they can. Like ... think about it ... just under 1 yr intel starts creating performance cores and efficiency cores on chip with better performance at roughly 20% less TDP on mobile and desktop chips than prior to M1's announcement? even mid 2021 they came with garbage. But now after M1 has had its heyday they're brining their A game? what was Intel doing all this time? I'm sure purchers and vendor partners are a bit livid now.
That was just a yawn ? like it’s saying, "you call that a task?" ?
WOAH .. I actually thought you were joshin everyone.
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YUCK ... not even Apple could screw up a trackpad. Dell has finally done it ... beaten Apple at making THE worst TrackPad/Mouse in history! (remember the PUCK).
backlight surface flush function keys ... probably worse than the TouchBar. I like TouchBar but hate when not logged on in dark I cannot turn on backlit keys on my MBP.
Well... considering no Macintosh laptop will ever have an Intel processor again... I don't really care what Intel says...
And BTW... I don't hate Intel. I will be building a 12th-gen Intel desktop PC this summer.
But I don't think Intel chips belong in Mac laptops anymore. And they won't be.
I think you should wait on that decision this summer when AMD delivers their cpu's which support PCIe 5 and much cheaper, more power efficient competition. Their announcement shows better performance than Intel's 12-gen announced today.
just on low ?? at max the M1 draws around 25W !!!
the Apple chips are so power efficient in lows and also in highs....its all arounder
The m1 max draws around 91-92W cpu+gpu !!
You mean IBM's G5 cpu which killed Intel for almost 11months, then when they released a server class chip into desktop package they complained to consumer organizing body to have Apple stop advertising of the Power Mac G5 is THE most powerful computer in the world?
yeah we all remember that. G4 for years also was better outside of gaming for a long while.
You don't have to worry about an Intel Chip consuming power when you have a Tesla Power wall attached on Wheels!
I am no hardware engineer, but it seems if you just double the processing power, you're still at 70-80 watts, with 200% the performance of the Intel chip.
i agree 100%...but i still want intel and amd to ditch the x86 and go all in for arm...this way everybody will compile for this architecture, every app etc...we cant move forward if intel and amd still makes x86...because developers will never jump all in for it..but intel and amd goes arm...dev they have to, they dont have a choice..its no longer an OS here, its about the engine
What I find is silly with their statement, is that they didn’t really test it real world and actual benchmarks to make that claim, while apple numbers are based on finished products.
Those are hypothetical numbers that are most likely based on worst scenario apps run on macs most likely semi virtualization.
Those are hypothetical numbers that are most likely based on worst scenario apps run on macs most likely semi virtualization.
The M1 max can actually reach 60w (maybe a bit more) but that is also gpu and AB power added (if you test adobe software for example which utilize the gpu and afterburner cores).
Still much lower than intel.
How time changes, we were so happy and proud of our first Intel mac, wich was leaps ahead the fastest G5.
We forget easily and fast how things were.
While I am 100% happy Apple is making its own chip, I still think Intel is getting too much bash and it's not all deserved.
I don't care about the efficacy! It's a laptop (LAP+top). Open two YouTube videos on safari or open Whatsapp and start a video call, or just open Chrome and do nothing. Then try to touch your laptop. You can't touch it because it's burning. So Intel makes your LAP+top a moving heater.
At least they acknowledge they are behind , that's a good start for Intel , and putting Apple as a target to chase will only do them good , both internally and externally , saying I am better then AMD has its publicity , but saying you are beating Apple , well that goes straight to the mainstream media.
It remains to be seen how the GPU part will work with this processor , only having a big CPU in a laptop is not enough if you need to couple it with a similarly hungry GPU.
I have no doubt the CPU will do well in max performance mode when plugged in and allowed to run full throttle.
Lets wait for the machines , should be fun to see how they do !
It remains to be seen how the GPU part will work with this processor , only having a big CPU in a laptop is not enough if you need to couple it with a similarly hungry GPU.
I have no doubt the CPU will do well in max performance mode when plugged in and allowed to run full throttle.
Lets wait for the machines , should be fun to see how they do !