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In related news, Intel announced that they have developed new materials than can withstand the heat of fusion. “In trying to keep our laptops cool while running our latest processors, we stumbled upon new materials that can withstand the very high temperatures of our running chips. We hope this can enable further advancement in achieving a sustainable fusion reactor.”
 
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The problem with Intel is they are primarily focused on performance but power draw and heat production take a back seat. I beleive Apple has the correct formula combining performance with power consumption which also has the benefit of producing less heat. In addition if the PC manufactures and computer builders do not have proper cooling I imagine that Intel processor is going to thermal throttle pretty quickly.
Intel chips has become the new PowerPC it seems. One big reason Apple switched to Intel in the first place was because of Intel's superior power to performance ratio back then.
 
AMD is doing the exact same thing. I guess their design also "has issues"?
Yes, consuming power and raising the clock speed is ALWAYS the solution if your design has issues that hinders real performance improvements (x86 in general has issues, that’s not new). AMD can be designed better than Intel while still having their own issues.
 
If you actually believe that, I’ve got a bridge on the moon to sell you…
Umm, I think you’ll find I own the deed to that bridge. However, if you’re saying you’ve built another one, you should know I have first right to refusal on any moon bridge purchases.

When man has colonies on the moon, I’ll be the chap in the catbird seat counting my moon dollars as folks drive over the lunar oceans!
 
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I get that not being able to use Boot camp or run Windows in a local VM is a limitation that you previously didn't have, and that's annoying.

But even for a niche user who buys a Mac laptop to run permanently in Boot camp, a few of these don't make much sense. Why would you be running IIS or SQL server on your laptop? And why would you run Access if you can run SQL Server? As for FoxPro...you're joking, right? Anyone who has need for ADSI or GPEdit or Orca can surely run them in an RDP session?

[FWIW, I work in a Windows corporate environment and use a Mac at home, but even when I'm in the office I do a lot of my work on RDP sessions on VMs, so using my Mac at home is no different]

The edge cases that don't have practical workarounds other than buying a non-Mac laptop must be a tiny, tiny proportion of power users.
Just throwing a few random things out there other than Office. Certainly niche circumstance, and Parallels or RDP would likely work for most.

But, there are always those outliers. Not everyone has VPN or VM or RDP access depending where they are on a job for example. We've got sales guys doing demos in a room without an ability to use any internet or cellular access while at a potential client site. They need locally run SQL Server, Access, ArcGIS Server, and a whole suite of tools that chug along painfully on a MS Surface.
 
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I gave my Intel MacBook Pro 2013 to my mother after upgrading to the 2021 Macbook Pro Max. I've never heard the fan on my new MacBook pro. While setting up the Intel Macbook Pro, the laptop burned through my jeans at idle and the fans blazing, all while just downloading updates.

My home PC is AMD. I wouldn't use Intel if it was free.
 
Yes, consuming power and raising the clock speed is ALWAYS the solution if your design has issues that hinders real performance improvements (x86 in general has issues, that’s not new). AMD can be designed better than Intel while still having their own issues.
Or you could simply acknowledge that both increasing IPC and raising clock rates are perfectly valid ways to improve the performance that each come with their own tradeoffs.
 
I gave my Intel MacBook Pro 2013 to my mother after upgrading to the 2021 Macbook Pro Max. I've never heard the fan on my new MacBook pro. While setting up the Intel Macbook Pro, the laptop burned through my jeans at idle and the fans blazing, all while just downloading updates.

My home PC is AMD. I wouldn't use Intel if it was free.
I still have a 2013 Macbook Pro as well. It works perfectly fine (a real trooper, and one of the best laptops I ever had), is quiet in almost all situations, and doesn't get hot. Perhaps you should open yours up and remove the dust buildup. :p
 
Or you could simply acknowledge that both increasing IPC and raising clock rates are perfectly valid ways to improve the performance that each come with their own tradeoffs.

How does increasing IPC come with a tradeoff?
 
I gave my Intel MacBook Pro 2013 to my mother after upgrading to the 2021 Macbook Pro Max. I've never heard the fan on my new MacBook pro. While setting up the Intel Macbook Pro, the laptop burned through my jeans at idle and the fans blazing, all while just downloading updates.

My home PC is AMD. I wouldn't use Intel if it was free.

You don't hear the fan on the 2021 Macbook Pro Max because it prefers to cook itself internally at 100C+. Why don't try turning off Turbo Boost on Intel Macbook Pro? Even on AMD I turn off turbo boost since it's overkill plus power consumption to performance scale goes up exponentially so not even worth it.
 
You don't hear the fan on the 2021 Macbook Pro Max because it prefers to cook itself internally at 100C+. Why don't try turning off Turbo Boost on Intel Macbook Pro? Even on AMD I turn off turbo boost since it's overkill plus power consumption to performance scale goes up exponentially so not even worth it.
“Turn this performance mode off, then your laptop will run cool!” ?
 
So far, loving my M1 Max machine.

I hope Intel knocks one out of the park - it'll make everyone better.
 
Actually, yeah.

Ryzen 6000 is based on Zen 3+ architecture, which is inferior to Intel 12th gen in IPC, and definitely M1 Pro/Max in IPC.

Ryzen 7000 (desktop) coming in 2H22 on Zen 4 is another discussion entirely.

The 6000 Mobile AMD just released isn't inferior to Intel 12th, in any way shape or form. And the 3D-V cache model embarrasses Intel once more. And yes, Zen 4 is going to be another 35-40% leap over Zen3+
 
Competition is good for all of us. These new big.LITTLE-style chip designs match computer usage far better for most users, as long as the schedulers can intelligently route the workload.
How long do we need to wait for Windows to match what Apple has done? I got rid of my 27" 4K display because even with the latest Windows 10, UI scaling was just so horrible. Meanwhile, Apple has been doing this since their first retina device in 2013 I think? The same 4K monitor looked just fine on my Macs. Maybe Windows 11 is better, but like I said I got rid of that monitor for such reason. How does the big.LITTLE scheduler work on Windows compared to the scheduler on macOS?
 
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