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Hi-

Sorry about the length of my post!

I'm a new poster, but I have been reading these forums for about 6 months in anticipation of (and to gather information about) the new Macbooks, Leopard, and computer product development. I respect all the opinions expressed here , and wanted to weigh-in. This is unusual, as I am quite the lurker and not such a poster.

I work at an educational research firm where, in the early 1990's we used Macs exclusively. Several issues arose to force our slow but, ultimately, total adoption of MS/Intel boxes. The top three reasons were: 1. price, 2. MS Win compatibility and 3. trends in schools (in which we work). In a nutshell, educators loved the Mac platform but educational IT admins and districts did not like the limited hardware upgrade paths and overall TCO, as compared to a MS/Intel box. Schools were and are ditching their Macs.

For the last year I have been pushing my office (40 or so employees) to move back to a Mac platform; ultimately my desire to do this was based on our firms overall experience with Dell and HP laptops. Each year we added several layers of spyware and virus protection, but still each year our systems were straddled with these issues.

We bought a MacBook a while ago for testing purposes, and ran our software: the graphics did not meet our needs. We run simulation software and real-time visual data analysis packages, in conjunction with several stats packages running simultaneously. I supplied my organization with information about the upcoming MacBook, Santa Rosa, etc, learned on these forums, but now the news is out and I am sad to report that the MacBook will not meet our specs.

Our budget will not allow for MacBook Pros. My organization, after waiting, has ordered 10 new HP, which have the Santa Rosa platform, with the intention of 10 more in about 6 months. This HP hardware/software runs graphics superbly-- but I'm not talking about games or anything like that. The below poster is correct, and, with some quantity discounts, we are receiving laptops which exceed MacBook specs for much lower cost (approximately 1100/laptop, but each has more RAM, bigger screen, bigger HD, etc.).

Several posters have reported that Apple doesn't need to cater to a niche like my company, which would be the road warrior/consultants who need more GPU power but are not allowed to spend top dollar on a laptop for budgetary reasons; however, I disagree, and find that other small businesses too would consider a "fleet" of MacBooks if such a combination existed. Posters have said that business should opt for the more pricey MBP- that simply does not fly with bottom line.

Sorry to go on and on, but I appreciate the Mac platform so much, and feel compelled to report that, for business reasons, other-- perhaps less well designed-- platforms are winning new customers. Thus, aside from the college students and less intensive business users, this recent product move by Apple has not helped them make inroads and win new customers from Wintel companies.

Be well.

That was true a few months ago but not today. Right now you can get a "mainstream" Santa Rosa laptop from Lenovo for the same price as a MacBook, with options for discrete graphics and up to 4 GB memory. I don't necessarily have a problem with Apple's strategy since nobody's forcing me to switch to Mac. Apple will still get my money with the gadgets as long as they're compatible with Windows. I still want Apple to succeed for the sake of competition but I just won't fall for the halo crap.
 
Where do you find this information? I'd like to have a reliable source for current CPU prices.

Glad to oblige :)
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=789466
While AMD AM2+ processors are due out in Q3, Intel announced another plan on price reduction just 3 months after the previous drop on April 22. With a remarkable cut at 50%, AMD is facing another harsh battle with Intel.

As reported before, Intel has had hinted a price drop in Q3, expecting a second price drop someday in August and September. However, the exact date turns out surprisingly on July 22 as the first hand information we have received. Undoubtedly, the move give certain impact on the sales of AMD processors. Not until the release of next-generation AM2+ processors, it’s hard for AMD to get profit from their existing products.

In the most updated plan, Intel Quad-Core Core 2 Quad Q6600 (2.4GHz/4MB L2 x2/1066MHzFSB) will be further cut to $266, a second drop within 4 months since its release on March with 68.7% accumulated price drop. For the original price segment of Core 2 Quad Q6600, now it will be replaced by a new model Quad Q6700 (2.66GHz/4MB L2 x2/1066MHzFSB), pricing at $530.

For the mainstream desktop processors, while Core 2 Duo E6000 family has no price update information at this moment, its relatives, Core 2 Duo 6050 family which features 1333MHz FSB releasing on July 22, has got a very impressive price advantage. The 3 models including E6550 (2.33GHz), E6750 (2.66GHz), and E6850 (3GHz) are only priced at $266, $183, and $163, around 40% cheaper than its 1066MHz version. Together with the new release of Bearlake featuring 1333MHz FSB, the both releases are expected to have great sales.

For the Value segment, Core 2 Duo E4500 will be a new release on July 22. Featuring 2.2GHz clock speed, 2MB L2 Cache and 800MHz FSB, its price is set at $133, while E4400 will further drop to $113.

Just to elaborate: I was hoping to build a system around the C2D E6600 cpu around July-August, of course now that cpu runs around $230 retail. With me having to wait irregardless, and the Q6600 (being a Quad) at that time being lowered to $260, I'll go the Quad route for the extra $30 (according to E6600 price now vs. Q6600 price then). Obviously the E6600 will get a price drop as well, but I've already allotted $230-$260 for the cpu, and obviously I'd rather have the quad core than the dual core. [more future proof obviously]

Looks like the only gain for the Q6700 [over the Q6600] is a +.26 ghz bump...FSB and L2 cache remain the same.
You can buy these cpus from NewEgg (the Q6600) but right now it'll set you back the higher current price around $500-something.
 
price cuts

while Apple may not choose to reduce the current line up in price, as soon as they update the mac Pro's (even as simple as new speeds and hd's etc), they may go down in price a little. It wouldn't be the first time they lowered the price and boosted performance. it will not be revolutionary, but i'd love to be able to get my hands on one of these power houses for under 2 grand (US).
A nice quad mac pro, with dual 20" screens (I don't need the resolution of HD, but need the screen space, and do not have endless budget) for under 3 grand total , that would be ideal for my usage (Logic Pro):apple:
 
Hi-

Sorry about the length of my post!

I'm a new poster, but I have been reading these forums for about 6 months in anticipation of (and to gather information about) the new Macbooks, Leopard, and computer product development. I respect all the opinions expressed here , and wanted to weigh-in. This is unusual, as I am quite the lurker and not such a poster.

I work at an educational research firm where, in the early 1990's we used Macs exclusively. Several issues arose to force our slow but, ultimately, total adoption of MS/Intel boxes. The top three reasons were: 1. price, 2. MS Win compatibility and 3. trends in schools (in which we work). In a nutshell, educators loved the Mac platform but educational IT admins and districts did not like the limited hardware upgrade paths and overall TCO, as compared to a MS/Intel box. Schools were and are ditching their Macs.

For the last year I have been pushing my office (40 or so employees) to move back to a Mac platform; ultimately my desire to do this was based on our firms overall experience with Dell and HP laptops. Each year we added several layers of spyware and virus protection, but still each year our systems were straddled with these issues.

We bought a MacBook a while ago for testing purposes, and ran our software: the graphics did not meet our needs. We run simulation software and real-time visual data analysis packages, in conjunction with several stats packages running simultaneously. I supplied my organization with information about the upcoming MacBook, Santa Rosa, etc, learned on these forums, but now the news is out and I am sad to report that the MacBook will not meet our specs.

Our budget will not allow for MacBook Pros. My organization, after waiting, has ordered 10 new HP, which have the Santa Rosa platform, with the intention of 10 more in about 6 months. This HP hardware/software runs graphics superbly-- but I'm not talking about games or anything like that. The below poster is correct, and, with some quantity discounts, we are receiving laptops which exceed MacBook specs for much lower cost (approximately 1100/laptop, but each has more RAM, bigger screen, bigger HD, etc.).

Several posters have reported that Apple doesn't need to cater to a niche like my company, which would be the road warrior/consultants who need more GPU power but are not allowed to spend top dollar on a laptop for budgetary reasons; however, I disagree, and find that other small businesses too would consider a "fleet" of MacBooks if such a combination existed. Posters have said that business should opt for the more pricey MBP- that simply does not fly with bottom line.

Sorry to go on and on, but I appreciate the Mac platform so much, and feel compelled to report that, for business reasons, other-- perhaps less well designed-- platforms are winning new customers. Thus, aside from the college students and less intensive business users, this recent product move by Apple has not helped them make inroads and win new customers from Wintel companies.

Be well.

I agree with you on this, a missed chance for Apple after this upgrade surely.
It's a nice enough machine, but the GPU let's it down for various potential customers, the mac pro line up is a little pricey, in pure dollar terms. yes it's good value for money, but it hurts the pocket more to have to shell out 2 grand instead of 1, it's that simple.

Apple needs to pay attention to niche markets, it is a good way to gain market share, and very often the niche markets interface with larger markets, and could have a carry over effect on these.
Apple, work on the education sector, and get together with the open office organisation to get a powerful office suite on board, extending the iwork suite.

That way, you have the basics covered, better than now. Being creative is fun, but please do not loose sight of the 'other' users.
 
When will the dualcore Mac Pro beupdated soon

I am about to purchase a New Mac Pro. But I am worried that a new processor upgrade in close on the horizon. Are there any concrete leads that would suggest this to be a fact.

If so, how long do you think it will be before we see an upgrad in processor ghz
 
I am about to purchase a New Mac Pro. But I am worried that a new processor upgrade in close on the horizon. Are there any concrete leads that would suggest this to be a fact.

If so, how long do you think it will be before we see an upgrad in processor ghz

I, too, am in this position. I was going to upgrade my G5 to take advantage of the new software in Final Cut Studio 2 but if I can get a Mac Pro with 8-Core Xeon power instead of Quad-Core for the same price I'll wait. What's the thought process that monitor this closely?

Would I be able to install the new 8-Core processors in a Quad-Core Xeon motherboard?
 
You could install Quad-Core processors later!

Would I be able to install the new 8-Core processors in a Quad-Core Xeon motherboard?

You could install Quad-Core processors later see link:- CPU upgrades

But looks pretty technical. I certainly wouldn't carry out the upgrade myself. I would get someone to do it. If it goes wrong your talking big bucks.
 
love #3

Personally I hope that Apple does the following in the near future...

1) Keep the Mac Mini about the same (minor speed bump, etc.) and ideally move its price point to start at $499 (currently $599).

2) Keep the iMac about the same style of kit with an update to the new laptop/small-form-factor chipset and at the same price points.

3) Bring out a "mini" tower with 2 PCIe slots (16 lane and at least 8 lane), and dual core (possibly only dual), one drive bay, one optical bay, and use desktop class chipset and processors. Price it starting around 1,300 or even maybe 1,500 with a few models or follow the BTO paradigm of the Mac Pro.

4) Keep the existing Mac Pro price points but add more BTO options (processor options, video options (likely dependent on Leopard), etc.)

Item 3 could generate a good up sell from the iMac to the mini tower of course it would have negative affect of the Mac Pro but by limiting the mini tower or pricing it high enough it would still push folks to buy Mac Pros.

I know if item 3 happened that around here we wold purchase 2x the number of Macs we currently do given that the iMac and Mac mini (mini is close but not good enough) just doesn't serve our needs and the Mac Pro is priced just high enough to limit purchasing the Mac Pro as a general developer system or second/third developer system.... however the Mac Pro is well priced for a workstation class developer system which we do purchase for many developers (aka as their main system).

i love #3 i have a little problem i have a sony hdr-sr1 camcorder and i have to use sonys software to get it off but then i have to lower the quality of the video my only solution is hdmi input card from black magic but i would have to by a mac pro in order to use it. although if apple upgrade there bottom line mac pro to 8 core 2x processor i would consider it.
http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/techspecs/:D :D :apple: :apple:
 
Would I be able to install the new 8-Core processors in a Quad-Core Xeon motherboard?

You can install the current (clovertown) quad core processors in a Mac Pro, though you probably void the warranty and would definatly void it if you sold the old processors to fund the new ones.
 
Apple treats its customers like suckers

Apple is lucky the alternative to its snails pace of upgrades and pricing is
the Shaft, because I would love to leave the plantation that OSX and
mac hardware has become. So now we're going to eliminate the Mac mini
and not follow the price decreases of Intel and its chips. Hmm, sounds like
time to buy the cheapest Mac Pro, at Mac Mall,
and then upgrade the CPUs in three months. Too bad Apple still insists on
packing its pro wares into that oversized case. 'We got to get rid of that
mac mini, too many mac users might get used to paying 1k for a semi-PRO comp instead of 3k for processors that nobody maximizes. No, you need to buy an iMac, even though I like to keep the monitor separate. If it wasnt for 3D rendering, and audio CPU usage, there would be no reason to get anything but an old dual 1.42 G4. At least that thing doesnt require all new software, and doesnt stink, and leave artifacts, mysterious spinning beachball while running assorted multimedia software etc etc....Apple could make a smoking midrange
tower but they WONT because it will neuter the demand for their proline.
 
Of course Intel has to slash their prices for their server processor. AMD is coming out with it's Barcelona [server line] and it's Phenom [PC line]. Both of these are true Quad-Core processors. They do not have the bottleneck effect like the Intel Quad-core processors do.

In addition, the AMD Barcelona Quad-Core Server CPUs use the same amount of power as their predecessors. AMD is still using 65nm technology to achieve all of this.
 
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