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Um...??

The desktop and workstation market is dead. It's not the trend anymore. Those are devices we are forced to use in a work environment.

You are failing to see the big picture here: there are more ****ing smartphones and tablets in the market right now than there are total desktop/workstation units, and all this happened in the last 5 years!

So... yeah... Intel ****ed themselves. You get complacent and you WILL be run over and you WILL die.

The desktop/laptop market still sells roughly 300m a year on a down year. Tablets don't touch that at all. Yes, there are more smartphones and tables combined. Congrats. You combine two markets to defeat one market that is declining. It'd be like saying that the car industry is dead because motorcycles and vans combined outsell it. :|
 
If Apple decides to use an A-series chip in their OS X devices, they will likely be used in something like a MacBook Air at first. I could see some sort of device that competes with the Chromebook in terms of features and performance but not be so dependent on the cloud. It would be cool to have an entry level A-series based laptop running OS X that sells for $500 to $600.

I am sure Intel chips would still be used in the pro laptops and the all the desktops. The A series chip sure doesn't seem like a great choice for the Mac Pro for the foreseeable future! ;)

Then why is it a great choice for the MBA? A MBA not being able to run OSX (or BootCamp) is not the same device. I think it would have to be a new class of devices. I would never buy it if it is ARM based.
 
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I don't even understand why anyone would want an ARM powered Mac. There's a crazy huge performance difference between the best ARM processor and an Intel Core processor. You want significantly worse performance so Apple can make even higher margins on its computers?
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Apple would lose some software developers by switching away from Intel Core processors.
 
Um...??

The desktop and workstation market is dead. It's not the trend anymore. Those are devices we are forced to use in a work environment.

You are failing to see the big picture here: there are more ****ing smartphones and tablets in the market right now than there are total desktop/workstation units, and all this happened in the last 5 years!

So... yeah... Intel ****ed themselves. You get complacent and you WILL be run over and you WILL die.

Tell me that you're just joking.
 
Intel has made ARM chips many times before. What is the big deal?

Exactly. They sold off their ARM license.
This announcement really means nothing.
Altera is an FPGA company and the 64bit ARM will appear on an Altera FPGA family. This means absolutely nothing to Apple or anyone else, unless you use Altera FPGAs in your products. Intel is Altera's foundry.

And for those that think Apple can compete in the desktop cpu market.. Think PPC them move on.
 
iOS and OS X merge codebase in 2015. I'm calling it. Announcement at WWDC 2014. It's why the iWork apps are all getting lined up and why the 5S has a 64-bit proc.

"We decided not to introduce iOS 8 and OS X.10. We're introducing AppleOS 1."

If anyone dares close OS X, I'm done with Apple. I doubt that would ever happen.
 
The desktop/laptop market still sells roughly 300m a year on a down year. Tablets don't touch that at all. Yes, there are more smartphones and tables combined. Congrats. You combine two markets to defeat one market that is declining. It'd be like saying that the car industry is dead because motorcycles and vans combined outsell it. :|

Hey man I follow the money. The money today is in tablets and smartphones. Not desktop systems. We are still forced to use those. Give it time. And stop living in the past.

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Damn straight. Ever heard of RIM? I can promise you the future generation never did. ;)
 
Hey man I follow the money. The money today is in tablets and smartphones. Not desktop systems. We are still forced to use those. Give it time. And stop living in the past.

Yeah, stop living in the past. Batman: Arkham City will play on ARM, right? How about Elder Scrolls? How about Visual Studio? How about Handbrake? How about the many other programs that I use?

Living in the past means I get stuff done, I guess. To be honest, I'm okay with that.
 
It sure changes things for Boot Camp users and VM users.

I wonder if there is any data on how many MBPs and MBAs use BootCamp. The best Windows laptops are Macs.

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An A7 Apple laptop would run the full OS X, but it would be like an iPad with a built in keyboard/trackpad (not like the Surface). I think Apple could compete with Chromebooks by lowering the price to around $500 or $600.

And the market for Chromebooks is so huge...
 
intel fab costs

Anybody besides me notice that analysts have stated that fab costs at intel's USA FABS is 30% higher than fab costs outside the USA? Yet intel continues to spend on building USA FABS. My son installs fab equipment in intel facilities. He is working overtime. Intel facing the lower margins of mobile SOCS is a dead dog. If intel does not get on the bandwagon with a major player developing a phone using the ubuntu phone concept, in 5 years they will be as irrelevant as Microsoft.

I live in Ecuador, and I can tell you that there is no money for everyone to buy a $500 PC and a $500 smartphone. There is a new concept out there that Americans and especially gamers don't get. And that is the concept of just good enough. Apple gets that with its continued sale of the ipad 2. I can tell you, that for a billion adults on this planet, an iPhone 4S is more smartphone than they will need for the next 5 years. Sure apple does cutting edge products, but the market that remains to be exploited wants something they can afford, and it's not an $800 phone. It might just be a $600 ubuntu phone or the equivalent.
 
Apple's iPhone 5S and iPad Air are on 28nm. In 2014, Intel is shipping 14nm.

From 28nm to 14nm is not half the area, it's a quarter (square to get area). If Apple goes this direction, they skip a process node. They time-travel 2 years into the future.

They mightn't like it, because Intel will demand a premium share of the profits for their monopoly miracle. But Apple must take it, because competitors will. I think the ideal outcome for Apple is a combination - an "iTel" if you will (cf wintel) - where Apple and Intel strike an exclusive deal.

Apple products will then be so incredibly, unreachably far ahead of the competition that alternatives will exist only at iTel's pleasure (to avoid antitrust). It means incredible products at incredible premiums.
 
Anybody besides me notice that analysts have stated that fab costs at intel's USA FABS is 30% higher than fab costs outside the USA? Yet intel continues to spend on building USA FABS. My son installs fab equipment in intel facilities. He is working overtime. Intel facing the lower margins of mobile SOCS is a dead dog. If intel does not get on the bandwagon with a major player developing a phone using the ubuntu phone concept, in 5 years they will be as irrelevant as Microsoft.

I live in Ecuador, and I can tell you that there is no money for everyone to buy a $500 PC and a $500 smartphone. There is a new concept out there that Americans and especially gamers don't get. And that is the concept of just good enough. Apple gets that with its continued sale of the ipad 2. I can tell you, that for a billion adults on this planet, an iPhone 4S is more smartphone than they will need for the next 5 years. Sure apple does cutting edge products, but the market that remains to be exploited wants something they can afford, and it's not an $800 phone. It might just be a $600 ubuntu phone or the equivalent.

Many companies wish they were as "irrelevant as Microsoft".
 
iOS and OS X merge codebase in 2015. I'm calling it. Announcement at WWDC 2014. It's why the iWork apps are all getting lined up and why the 5S has a 64-bit proc.

"We decided not to introduce iOS 8 and OS X.10. We're introducing AppleOS 1."

No way. OS X 10.10 and iOS 8 have already been shown up in web traffic.

When Mavericks was announced Craig said they had a naming theme for the next ten years with the California theme.

Apple isn't just going to force a touch interface on laptop/desktops. They aren't Microsoft... Plus they just criticized how other companies are doing just that at the last event.

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Yeah apple is kind of funny in that regard. One the one hand they "can't wait to see what you'll do with their hardware" on the other hand they're increasingly focused on consumer software. I feel like apple doesn't really care about gamers and professionals.

Why should Apple give a crap about gaming? When have they ever?

And yes their consumer products are their main priority, they are a company and that's where the money is at. Why wouldn't they?
 
Um...??

The desktop and workstation market is dead.

says who? you? Thanks for the laugh...

The 'desktop and workstation' as you call them are just part of Intel book of business, they make billions of dollars every year selling enterprise level x86 servers. So assuming that in a few years Intel 'f-ed' themselves up with their 'desktop and workstation' business, their server business will only pick up as all those tiny machines on the client side need far more powerful servers.

FOLLOW THE MONEY, indeed.
 
Holy ****, it's amazing how no one has any idea what they're talking about.

You know that Altera makes FPGAs, right? The ARM chip is there to drive the FPGA, but the FPGA is the primary product. There's a reason that Intel is fabbing for an FPGA company, and that is because they don't compete with Intel's other major customers and it doesn't cannibalize Intel's other business.

The only thing this means is that Intel is testing the waters for fabbing. The fact that there's an ARM chip there means essentially nothing. In fact, Intel already fabs ARM chips for other reasons, so this isn't really anything new.

Would Intel ever fab ARM chips for Apple? Probably. Would Intel ever sacrifice it's x86 business with Apple just so it could fab Apple's ARM chips? Never. That would be more work for less profit.

I don't even understand why anyone would want an ARM powered Mac. There's a crazy huge performance difference between the best ARM processor and an Intel Core processor. You want significantly worse performance so Apple can make even higher margins on its computers?

Also, the issue of merging iOS and OS X is misunderstood. You don't have to merge the codebase, they're already the same code. It's an issue of compilation, and not so much an issue for Apple, but an issue for all the 3rd party apps that are already compiled for x86. When moving to a less powerful architecture (Intel->ARM) you're not going to have a lot of success running all those apps in an emulator.

Seems like most people on these forums like to pretend they know a lot more than they do. It's somewhat macrumor's fault though for this misleading click-bait article.

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Just wait five years and then reread your comment.

I really don't see that form factor being thick in five years at all. The cMBP form factor I'm using now and just bought less than a year ago is five years old too. I also bought it knowing it would be the last of it's kind. I can't say I'm too concerned with having the thinnest.
 
I believe Apple has enough chip talent and aquisitions under their belt to design their own SOC to move away from Intel's x86 chips.

The hard part is ensuring cross compatibility with existing apps (x86) on the ARM instruction set. Craig and his team have their work cut out for them, but I know they can do it.

Not even close, all apple has really done is license the arm architecture and make very slight tweaks. The brute of the work is still done by ARM itself. Also arm is still no where near the performance of laptop and desktop class x86 chips.
 
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