Both Microsoft and amazon have tremendous cloud farms running on x86 chips.
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Both Microsoft and amazon have tremendous cloud farms running on x86 chips.
Not sure who makes them - Amazon makes its own, I believe? But either way, many of them use x86
Ok, but "anti-trust" doesn't mean "some legal action". There's always legal action, that doesn't mean it's legitimate or likely to be successful. It also doesn't mean that it's not worth it to the company to settle and move on.
I honestly don't see any grounds for a legitamate lawsuit based on the discussion so far. Maybe you can cite a law, contract or precedent to support your belief?
Which half of a solution is missing?
Thanks. Some of this sounds like it's based on assumptions that may change as alternate architectures gain traction, some sound like you're assuming Windows won't ever run on anything but x86 (either AS or otherwise). Fair enough.
"Half a solution" was your words. You said half a solution isn't a solution. What half is missing?
You’re words were “windows runs on AS”. Okay is that all that one need to know? If so that’s a full solution.
Sounds to me like what you are saying is that this is a full solution for a complete replacement for x86.
Yes. Based on what we're seeing so far, I don't see any significant technical hurdles to a complete replacement.
Okay, I appreciate your clarification. I see significant technical hurdles to a complete replacement. Time will tell.
I think what’s striking about that video is he really explains their thought process.
I feel like this is often missing in modern Apple presentations. I was pleasantly surprised with Jay’s introduction of Fitness+ — he did a pretty OK job explaining the service without relying on too many superlatives, despite (I think?) never having done such a presentation before. A lot of Apple presenters these days aren’t quite that good, IMO.
Answering a question with a question sounds a bit like a dodge... Let me try again. You said you see significant technical hurdles. Which hurdles do you see?
Here’s what I see... intel systems finally being sold without a useless premium price-tag at online stores, AMD systems that beat similar intel systems on benchmarks, and battery lives that can’t keep up; killing their ultra book dominance. Fab, modern design, and graphics advancement; have been on auto-pilot for a long time at intel. They are now paying the price... is it too late? I’m not sure, intel has a lot of liquid assets, and they might be looking for a way to pivot to a new market(RISC-V might be a possible savior for them). Also, never rule out Microsoft, they might have a plan for Intel.
You seemed to imply this was a fully baked, ready to go, productionized solution and I’m asking why you believe it’s so.
If you say you see significant technical hurdles, but can't share what you see, then this line of discussion is too empty to continue.
The answer is it’s not fully baked, productionized code that offers a 100% compatible x86 alternative. Hence my comment.
Yes I think it’s possible non Apple arm will eventually translate x86 applications sufficiently quickly to allow other platforms to reap the benefits of Arm elsewhere - but until a critical mass of software becomes available natively it’s just a solution looking for a problem. Plus fast non—Apple arm appears to be off.
It’s also possible an inherent 15%-20% performance hit for x86
becomes less important and as process nodes shrink. My desktop ryzen 9 3900 is very fast - if they can get that in a laptop in a few years is it going to matter much that there is a theoretical benefit that could exist with a more pure solution? It doesn’t really matter even now because I don’t have choice.
Yeah, if Apple can do it today, others will do it tomorrow. It sounds like the MS translation isn't quite as efficient, but as others have pointed out, it's a stop gap solution. Office was cross compiled within a month or so of the AS announcement. It's just not a difficult process with modern software.
It looks like the Apple translator executes translated x86 faster than native Intel CPUs but, you're right, it's the native performance that will really drive the replacement cycle. Executing x86 is just there as a blanky so people are confident making the move. Apple has discontinued the translators/emulators after a few generations, mostly to cull unsupported code I suspect. MS might not, they might keep that compatibility embedded in Windows forever-- but it will still run faster and faster as the processors improve.
By switching Apple has removed reliance on intel’s design and fabrication, but they are still relying on 3rd party fab. Although TSMC is doing well at the moment there is no guarantee that 3nm will work just as well, etc. TSMC could easily hit a process snag just as Intel did then Apple would be in a similar situation. Will be interesting to see what happens in the next few years. Also Intel could finally figure out what is going on and start catching up on their process. Who knows
I agree but we also have AMD killing it at the moment too. For instance, with my client, we've just moved 1000 EC2 nodes in AWS from Intel to AMD. Many others have done the same.
Intels has sold off other business units as well. They've been super complacent.